Gary Trent Sr. and Jr.

[BonesJones]

I think you'll generally see a 3 guard rotation with Lillard/CJ/Curry.
WB4 will prolly(who was it that hated people saying prolly? @BonesJones ) get minutes as well.
Everyone else is on the outside looking in and better be ready to outwork Lillard if they want PT.

What do you think the rptation will be position by position.

 

[dviss1]

Who's minutes do you think he'll take?

Turner's.

 

[Scalma]

Turner's.

What about realistically

 

[dviss1]

Connaughtons replacement is Curry.

The only way Trent plays is if Terry takes CJ off the second unit. That kind of trust would only come with time. Another option could be to move Turner to PF. That would depend on matchups but it’s not that crazy of an idea. He’ll give up some length but he’s stronger than the average wing and is a smart defender.

CJ
Curry
Trent
Turner
Collins

I don't like that lineup. I go big against them and double Zach while staying home on the shooters.

 

[dviss1]

What about realistically

It's just as realistic as Turner at PF to get him minutes.

 

[dviss1]

Which long term I think is better for us as a team. Staggering CJ and Dame so that one is always on the court only gets you so far in this league. It hurts the flow of the second unit imo having CJ in it. We need a solid five that come off the bench each night and let our starters rest together so they can talk and what ever on the bench.

Please name the NBA teams that have 10 man rotations. I'll wait.

 

[Scalma]

It's just as realistic as Turner at PF to get him minutes.

Turners played some PF last year.

Haven’t seen him get benched.

 

[dviss1]

Turners played some PF last year.

Haven’t seen him get benched.

Frankly, I was talking about who's minutes he should take when you decided to put your spin on it.

But I could still see him taking some of Turner's minutes. NO has said he will see some time at SF.

 

[BonesJones]

Turners played some PF last year.

Haven’t seen him get benched.

For about a minute per game...

 

[H.C.]

How?

Mo Williams in his year here:
41.7FG% (worse than Currys career 3P%)
36.9 3P%
50.7 TS% (Curry is a 60TS% player)
-2.0 BPM (Curry was 3.4 better in his year in DAL)

Shabazz was better than him.

Stats don't really properly measure what Moe brought to the team imo.
Similar to Ed Davis/Pryzbilla.
Moe really helped in game 2 against the Rockets. He was ass the rest of the series.
Well outside of telling Lillard to go get the ball.
Granted so did Wright in that specific game. So take it for what it's worth.
I feel like kingspeed saying this stuff.
But I was a fan of Moe even though he was a whipping boy on this forum.

What do you think the rptation will be position by position.

To start the year?
Or come late Jan/early Feb when Stotts settles on his rotation?
To start the year I'm sure everyone will get PT.

Stotts will eventually settle on a 3 guard rotation
Lillard/CJ/Curry(pending health)
Harkless/Turner(due to contract, but I do believe Stotts has no issues with benching this fool for someone else.)/WB4
Aminu/Collins
Nurk/Nards

I don't think the rookies(pending health/foul trouble) will get much of a look past December.
I'm not sure if I'm excited or not about the Nards/Collins experiement.
Sure it will allow Collins to play closer to the rim with Nards ability to stretch the floor.
But I'm just not excited to watch this man plan more than spot minutes.

BTW this WB4 thing is your fault.
His play to end the season, and your insistence on him not being a liability offensively forced me to look at him closer.
If he can make shots and keep the floor spread. Their is no chance he doesn't steal minutes.

 

[BonesJones]

Stats don't really properly measure what Moe brought to the team imo.
Similar to Ed Davis/Pryzbilla.
Moe really helped in game 2 against the Rockets. He was ass the rest of the series.
Well outside of telling Lillard to go get the ball.
Granted so did Wright in that specific game. So take it for what it's worth.
I feel like kingspeed saying this stuff.
But I was a fan of Moe even though he was a whipping boy on this forum.



To start the year?
Or come late Jan/early Feb when Stotts settles on his rotation?
To start the year I'm sure everyone will get PT.

Stotts will eventually settle on a 3 guard rotation
Lillard/CJ/Curry(pending health)
Harkless/Turner(due to contract, but I do believe Stotts has no issues with benching this fool for someone else.)/WB4
Aminu/Collins
Nurk/Nards

I don't think the rookies(pending health/foul trouble) will get much of a look past December.
I'm not sure if I'm excited or not about the Nards/Collins experiement.
Sure it will allow Collins to play closer to the rim with Nards ability to stretch the floor.
But I'm just not excited to watch this man plan more than spot minutes.

BTW this WB4 thing is your fault.
His play to end the season, and your insistence on him not being a liability offensively forced me to look at him closer.
If he can make shots and keep the floor spread. Their is no chance he doesn't steal minutes.

Oh Yeah? That humongous difference is made up by what arbitrary factor?

 

[BonesJones]

Stats don't really properly measure what Moe brought to the team imo.
Similar to Ed Davis/Pryzbilla.
Moe really helped in game 2 against the Rockets. He was ass the rest of the series.
Well outside of telling Lillard to go get the ball.
Granted so did Wright in that specific game. So take it for what it's worth.
I feel like kingspeed saying this stuff.
But I was a fan of Moe even though he was a whipping boy on this forum.



To start the year?
Or come late Jan/early Feb when Stotts settles on his rotation?
To start the year I'm sure everyone will get PT.

Stotts will eventually settle on a 3 guard rotation
Lillard/CJ/Curry(pending health)
Harkless/Turner(due to contract, but I do believe Stotts has no issues with benching this fool for someone else.)/WB4
Aminu/Collins
Nurk/Nards

I don't think the rookies(pending health/foul trouble) will get much of a look past December.
I'm not sure if I'm excited or not about the Nards/Collins experiement.
Sure it will allow Collins to play closer to the rim with Nards ability to stretch the floor.
But I'm just not excited to watch this man plan more than spot minutes.

BTW this WB4 thing is your fault.
His play to end the season, and your insistence on him not being a liability offensively forced me to look at him closer.
If he can make shots and keep the floor spread. Their is no chance he doesn't steal minutes.

What's your rotation with minutes in parenthesis.

Like this:
Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (26) / Turner (19) / Curry (3)
Aminu (32) / Collins (10) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (32) / Collins (16)

 

[H.C.]

Oh Yeah? That humongous difference is made up by what arbitrary factor?

Stats don't measure everything a player brings to the locker room.
Aldridge certainly wasn't a leader.
Moe was one of the vet leaders of that locker room.
Might not agree as fans.(Players have said stats don't measure everything Turner brings to the locker room) But at the end of the day the players know that stuff far better than fans.
I just don't like Turner as a person. That's why I don't want him on the team/court.

 

[H.C.]

What's your rotation with minutes in parenthesis.

Like this:
Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (26) / Turner (19) / Curry (3)
Aminu (32) / Collins (10) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (32) / Collins (16)

I don't do specific minutes because imo that's too, 2k.
It's easy to get those numbers in a video game. Not so much irl.

Also(just using an example)
Having Lillard/CJ listed as the only two getting minutes at the PG.
Means no one else ever initiates a set. I don't believe that's the case.

Mid January It'll be a 3 guard rotation.
Harkless/Aminu will start at the Forwards. Backed up by Turner/Collins.
WB4 will steal minutes at the forward, and guard spots.
Nurk/Nards will get the bulk of the minutes at the 5.
Pending health, and pending Nards does more than just flex muscles and rev his car's engine in an instagram video.

 

[BonesJones]

Stats don't measure everything a player brings to the locker room.
Aldridge certainly wasn't a leader.
Moe was one of the vet leaders of that locker room.
Might not agree as fans.(Players have said stats don't measure everything Turner brings to the locker room) But at the end of the day the players know that stuff far better than fans.
I just don't like Turner as a person. That's why I don't want him on the team/court.

Must have been the best veteran leadership in the history of everything to make up for that much difference in production.

Players can be too close to be fairly objective. Yes, veteran leadership is valueable, but on-court production is more-so.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Must have been the best veteran leadership in the history of everything to make up for that much difference in production.

Players can be too close to be fairly objective. Yes, veteran leadership is valueable, but on-court production is more-so.

I’ll say it, to me a big reason I believe the Blazers didn’t have the post season we thought they should have is a lack of veteran leadership. Almost every good / great team I can think of has at least one sometimes more veteran player who brings real life experience from the player view point.
The Blazers seem to do keep young so they can say how young they are but having a guy in the locker room and on the side lines guys respect, that can pull players aside and tell them what they’re seeing is huge in my opinion.

I don’t know how good of a leader moe was but at least back then they had that...

 

[BonesJones]

I don't do specific minutes because imo that's too, 2k.
It's easy to get those numbers in a video game. Not so much irl.

Also(just using an example)
Having Lillard/CJ listed as the only two getting minutes at the PG.
Means no one else ever initiates a set. I don't believe that's the case.

Mid January It'll be a 3 guard rotation.
Harkless/Aminu will start at the Forwards. Backed up by Turner/Collins.
WB4 will steal minutes at the forward, and guard spots.
Nurk/Nards will get the bulk of the minutes at the 5.
Pending health, and pending Nards does more than just flex muscles and rev his car's engine in an instagram video.

WB4 at SF? Yikes. We already have an undersized backcourt. Better not play there against Durant, LeBron, George, Kawhi, Porter Jr, etc. He'll get abused.

"Having Lillard/CJ listed as the only two getting minutes at the PG. Means no one else ever initiates a set." Uh...... No it doesnt. Does LeBron initiate sets? You realize you can know multiple positions certain sets right? Curry+McCollum is a combo-guard backcourt. They're interchangeable.

 

[BonesJones]

I’ll say it, to me a big reason I believe the Blazers didn’t have the post season we thought they should have is a lack of veteran leadership. Almost every good / great team I can think of has at least one sometimes more veteran player who brings real life experience from the player view point.
The Blazers seem to do keep young so they can say how young they are but having a guy in the locker room and on the side lines guys respect, that can pull players aside and tell them what they’re seeing is huge in my opinion.

I don’t know how good of a leader moe was but at least back then they had that...

They have veteran leadership with "real-life playoff experience"... Damian Lillard, for example.

That definitely wasn't the problem. I don't see how having someone like Vince Carter sitting there on the bench was going to stop NO from blitzing, get Terry to pull his head out of his ass, or space the floor better. We lost because of basketball reasons, not silly, mental mistakes.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

They have veteran leadership with "real-life playoff experience"... Damian Lillard, for example.

That definitely wasn't the problem. I don't see how having someone like Vince Carter sitting there on the bench was going to stop NO from blitzing, get Terry to pull his head out of his ass, or space the floor better. We lost because of basketball reasons, not silly, mental mistakes.

I disagree you don’t want the only leader on your team to be your star. You shouldn’t expect Dame to do everything for you...I don’t think they should want him too either.
Also they lost because Rondo and Holliday pushed them around the 1st 3 games, Rondo knew what playoff basketball was about. The Blazers didn’t adjust to that until game 4.
Yes there were basketball reasons, but they flat out got out hussled , and worked that whole series by a team that just flat out looked like they wanted it more.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Also this was the 1st year in a while the Blazers played in a series they were supposed to win. A lot of Dames playoff experience is against teams that were just better than his. So yeah I believe having more guys with experience is important and definitely played a role in what happened to them this year.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Whose minutes do you think he'll take?

Ed's. Olshey thought he was getting Gary Trent Sr.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Connaughtons replacement is Curry.

No, he's not. Curry is a 2/1 combo guard, similar to C.J.

Connaughton was a 2/3, which is what Trent Jr. will be.

Because Curry is better than either Connaughton or Napier, he will get minutes at both back up spots, but together those guys played over 3000 combined minutes. No way will Curry play close to that many minutes, and at 6'2", he's shorter than both Dame and C.J. Don't look for him to play any significant time at the 3.

To me, it will be Trent Jr. and Baldwin IV battling for the remaining 1000 - 1500 Connaughton/Napier minutes that aren't consumed by Curry. In some situations, Terry will go with Baldwin at the 1, possibly occasionally with Curry at the 2 and Trent Jr. at the 3. That's actually a good, balanced second unit. Or, he may go with a 3 guard lineup of Baldwin, Dame and C.J. (I like that MUCH better than the sub-miniature Napier, Dame,C.J. 3-guard lineup we saw on occasion last season). I can also see a Dame, C.J., Trent Jr. lineup when we need someone bigger than Curry to spread the floor and create space for Dame and C.J.

The good news is all of Curry, Baldwin and Trent Jr. have the potential to be better than Connaughton and Napier. Not only is there more talent, but also a lot more versatility in this year's bench than last year's. Terry will have lots of combinations to try to see which ones work the best. He has a history of trying a lot of different lineups during the first three months of the season before settling in on a tighter rotation during the second half. Trent Jr. will have an opportunity to earn minutes, the same as Collins did last year. Whether he earns them, or not, will depend on how well he plays and fits with to his teammates. Same for Baldwin. It's going to be interesting. I'm excited to see how it all plays out.

BNM

 

[Reep]

No, he's not. Curry is a 2/1 combo guard, similar to C.J.

Connaughton was a 2/3, which is what Trent Jr. will be.

Because Curry is better than either Connaughton or Napier, he will get minutes at both back up spots, but together those guys played over 3000 combined minutes. No way will Curry play close to that many minutes, and at 6'2", he's shorter than both Dame and C.J. Don't look for him to play any significant time at the 3.

To me, it will be Trent Jr. and Baldwin IV battling for the remaining 1000 - 1500 Connaughton/Napier minutes that aren't consumed by Curry. In some situations, Terry will go with Baldwin at the 1, possibly occasionally with Curry at the 2 and Trent Jr. at the 3. That's actually a good, balanced second unit. Or, he may go with a 3 guard lineup of Baldwin, Dame and C.J. (I like that MUCH better than the sub-miniature Napier, Dame,C.J. 3-guard lineup we saw on occasion last season). I can also see a Dame, C.J., Trent Jr. lineup when we need someone bigger than Curry to spread the floor and create space for Dame and C.J.

The good news is all of Curry, Baldwin and Trent Jr. have the potential to be better than Connaughton and Napier. Not only is there more talent, but also a lot more versatility in this year's bench than last year's. Terry will have lots of combinations to try to see which ones work the best. He has a history of trying a lot of different lineups during the first three months of the season before settling in on a tighter rotation during the second half. Trent Jr. will have an opportunity to earn minutes, the same as Collins did last year. Whether he earns them, or not, will depend on how well he plays and fits with to his teammates. Same for Baldwin. It's going to be interesting. I'm excited to see how it all plays out.

BNM

I agree with all of this, but wouldn't completely write Stauskas out of the mix. I see Trent Jr. and Stauskas as competing for the same minutes. I kind of hope Trent Jr. wins out because I think he has more long term potential. But, if Stauskas comes out hitting threes like a pro and Trent Jr. doesn't, then . . .

 

[Boob-No-More]

I agree with all of this, but wouldn't completely write Stauskas out of the mix. I see Trent Jr. and Stauskas as competing for the same minutes. I kind of hope Trent Jr. wins out because I think he has more long term potential. But, if Stauskas comes out hitting threes like a pro and Trent Jr. doesn't, then . . .

I suspect we'll see both at various points during the first half of the season, as Terry tries different combinations to see what works. Stauskas has the advantage of being a known quantity. He has (somewhat) proven he can hit an open 3 from NBA distance. But, he has also proven he can't do much else.

Trent Jr. has proven he can hit from college 3-point distance against college level talent. But, he has an NBA body an an aggressive, scorer's mentality. He can do more than hit open 3s. He can attack the paint and draw fouls. I'm really hoping Trent Jr. can crack the rotation by the all star break. If not, it means Stauskas is playing better than Trent Jr. I'm not sure that's a positive.

BNM

 

[Reep]

I suspect we'll see both at various points during the first half of the season, as Terry tries different combinations to see what works. Stauskas has the advantage of being a known quantity. He has (somewhat) proven he can hit an open 3 from NBA distance. But, he has also proven he can't do much else.

Trent Jr. has proven he can hit from college 3-point distance against college level talent. But, he has an NBA body an an aggressive, scorer's mentality. He can do more than hit open 3s. He can attack the paint and draw fouls. I'm really hoping Trent Jr. can crack the rotation by the all star break. If not, it means Stauskas is playing better than Trent Jr. I'm not sure that's a positive.

BNM

I see Trent Jr. as the long term winner, but Stauskas does do one important things more than just hit the three (which our SFs don't do). He is quite good at faking the three and then driving past the close out for either a dunk or a nice assist as the big comes over to cover. That could be really useful in our offense and neither Aminu nor Harkless do that well.

 

[THE HCP]

Turner's.

You MUST be crazy son.

 

[BonesJones]

I disagree you don’t want the only leader on your team to be your star. You shouldn’t expect Dame to do everything for you...I don’t think they should want him too either.
Also they lost because Rondo and Holliday pushed them around the 1st 3 games, Rondo knew what playoff basketball was about. The Blazers didn’t adjust to that until game 4.
Yes there were basketball reasons, but they flat out got out hussled , and worked that whole series by a team that just flat out looked like they wanted it more.

Lopez? Wright? We had others.

Still doesn't come close to making up that much production.

The Blazers didn't adjust because of the coaching staff.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Lopez? Wright? We had others.

Still doesn't come close to making up that much production.

The Blazers didn't adjust because of the coaching staff.

We didn’t have lopez or Wright this year... they had Dame and that was basically the only leader on the team.

 

[Hoopguru]

I see Trent Jr. as the long term winner, but Stauskas does do one important things more than just hit the three (which our SFs don't do). He is quite good at faking the three and then driving past the close out for either a dunk or a nice assist as the big comes over to cover. That could be really useful in our offense and neither Aminu nor Harkless do that well.

I want to see Mo slash more and be super aggressive. He needs to challenge Nurk as the third option. Hell, challenge CJ as the second option.

 

[HailBlazers]

You MUST be crazy son.

I can Attest, he is.