Funny Gas is like $4.50 a gallon in LA.

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I have just been to Europe. In London when you convert the price - they pay about $5.8 per gallon. I paid $3.99 yesterday in San Diego (that's about $0.5 higher than normal because California mostly uses the Saudi oil and the recent drone attack really screwed supply).

You could argue that the quality of gas in Europe is on average higher than the US - so the price difference is not that large, but I basically compared 'standard' to 'standard' given what is available.

FWIW - The price is Israel is around $8.3 per gallon.
 
I have just been to Europe. In London when you convert the price - they pay about $5.8 per gallon. I paid $3.99 yesterday in San Diego (that's about $0.5 higher than normal because California mostly uses the Saudi oil and the recent drone attack really screwed supply).

You could argue that the quality of gas in Europe is on average higher than the US - so the price difference is not that large, but I basically compared 'standard' to 'standard' given what is available.

I think most of the price increase is the "switch from summer blend to winter blend" of gas. Then the refinerys screw up somehow. It happens every year like clockwork.
 
In asia it's sold by the liter, not gallon and I assume it's the same in Europe....never been there but Taiwan as I said even in the 80s was about 3bucks per liter...not gallon....that's way more than a buck difference...also why asia pioneered the use of small motors in vans, trucks, etc....they adapted and we're still driving big gas guzzlers to tail gate parties...America is the biggest car loving country I've ever seen..it's why our public transit systems suck...we don't seem to value the option. Texas probably has the cheapest gas around the states...maybe Oklahoma...don't drive there. Almost everyone I know who travels in Europe gets a Euro rail pass and loves it...they have great public transportation from what I've heard....we have Amtrak..slow and terrible

Most places sell by the liter. I’ve just been doing the liters to gallons and currency conversion math before posting. Japan is at about 142 yen per liter, which is equal to $4.95 a gallon.
 

This is from this morning

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/business/california-gas-prices/index.html

Gasoline prices have spiked in California, soaring well above what most Americans are paying at the pump. In some locations, Californians are paying $5 for a gallon of gas.

A number of refinery outages tightened gas supply in the market. The average price of regular gas in California rose to $4.18 a gallon, the highest level since May 13, 2014, according to the Oil Price Information Service, which gathers data for the AAA.

California's gas prices are the most expensive in the United States: The national average is currently $2.65 a gallon.

Most motorists around the country are noticing gas prices declining or stabilizing, which is normal for autumn. Gas prices typically drop after the busy summer driving season, AAA said. But that trend hasn't taken hold on the West Coast this fall.

Most refineries perform planned maintenance in the fall or winter, which usually does not affect gas prices because the refineries can work around the repairs. They may buy gasoline ahead of time knowing that their facilities will be producing less of it, for example.

But over the past two weeks, several refineries that supply the West Coast with gasoline had unexpected outages at the same time, which further hampered California's ability to produce fuels.

At most, seven of the region's 25 refineries were either down or at a lower production capacity, Gladden said.


"To see several refineries have unexpected outages at the same time, it's not normal," said Patrick DeHaan, head of petroleum analysis at Gas Buddy.

More than other states, California gas prices can sometimes skyrocket, because the state mandates cleaner gas with fewer emissions. That makes California gas cost more to refine, because it's a special oxygenated blend that meets the state's strict air-quality rules. Refineries have to use a specialized process, and only a few refineries are able to make California-approved gas, which makes it harder for the state to import oil.
 
US avg gas price today was listed as 2.99 per gallon..
 

We had the same kind of refinery issue last year and the average price was about $0.5 less per gallon (My wife works for an energy efficiency company, we pay attention to these things). The delta vs. previous years is that constrained supply from the drone attack. The refineries usually (as this article you provided also states) schedule maintenance for winter time - and the spike with unscheduled outages are usually short - we had, as I said, the exact same issue last year. But the delta in price between this year and the previous one - is the drone attack.
 
When gas goes up....drive less...defeats their purpose with the law of supply and demand.
 
We had the same kind of refinery issue last year and the average price was about $0.5 less per gallon (My wife works for an energy efficiency company, we pay attention to these things). The delta vs. previous years is that constrained supply from the drone attack. The refineries usually (as this article you provided also states) schedule maintenance for winter time - and the spike with unscheduled outages are usually short - we had, as I said, the exact same issue last year. But the delta in price between this year and the previous one - is the drone attack.

It happened to multiple refineries at once and the gas tax is 6 cents per gallon more. I'm sure the Saudi strike had something to do with this, but to say price increases are 100% because of it, is grossly misleading.
 
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there aren't pipelines linking the state to petroleum or crude oil supplies

Doesn't CA import all it's oil from the Saudis? Well I mean, it does not produce enough in CA and the rest must be imported. No pipeline and I think regulations make railroad out of the question.
 
America has always had cheaper gas than most countries other than the Middle Eastern ones......I remember many many years of gas for my motorcycle in Taiwan being 3 bucks a liter....but that honda motorcycle could run for a month on a tank of gas.
In Vietnam, their motorbikes which could be propelled by either an engine or by pedal, used diesel. I was very briefly surprised but being a young man there wasn't a lot that surprised me for very long. Okay, naked Jane Russell and naked Mae West surprised me and gave me an erection, but then almost any girl gave me an erection in those years especially in the Army and especially overseas in combat.
 
A couple of years ago, NJ legislature tagged an additional 22 cents a gallon. It was the last great automotive advantage we had. I can find gas for 2.35 9/10 a gallon now. IMG_0292monarch butterfly.JPG
 
My wife says she pays about $2.799 with about a 4% rebate for Costco customers which works out to about $2.69/gallon for us. That's here in Oregon where the far Right bitches about our gas tax constantly.
 
LOL, now the state is going to cut off power to a bunch of people because there are fire dangers this weekend.

The utilities are such fucking crooks out here.
 
LOL, now the state is going to cut off power to a bunch of people because there are fire dangers this weekend.

The utilities are such fucking crooks out here.
Crooks would resume that they have something to gain at the expense of some victim. What do they have to gain while they're doing this?
 
Crooks would resume that they have something to gain at the expense of some victim. What do they have to gain while they're doing this?

They pay themselves huge pensions and bonuses.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/07/3...our-power-bill-and-you-pay-for-the-privilege/

Humphreville speaks for millions of people. Los Angeles residents have suffered through rate hike after rate hike, always said to be needed to maintain the electrical service infrastructure, while service has become increasingly unreliable.

The utility’s credibility isn’t helped by the fact that the annual “city transfer” is roughly equivalent to the extra revenue collected annually from the five-year rate hike that was approved by the City Council and signed by the mayor in 2016.
 
Maybe, but what's that got to do with shutting off power to prevent wild fires during the season of wild fires and high winds?

They should have fixed their infrastructure to prevent these kind of issues long ago. They were too busy paying themselves with misallocated funds.

The utilities caused that huge fire up north last year. They should pay for all of that bullshit. And for them to shut power down for the fire danger conditions, they need to pay relocation to all of those who are without power.

I won't be affected, but even I know that's a bunch of fucking bullshit.
 
LOL, now the state is going to cut off power to a bunch of people because there are fire dangers this weekend.

The utilities are such fucking crooks out here.
buy a solar panel and a generator like any good boy scout! Or just buck up the gas bill and move into your car until the power is back on!
 
They should have fixed their infrastructure to prevent these kind of issues long ago. They were too busy paying themselves with misallocated funds.

The utilities caused that huge fire up north last year. They should pay for all of that bullshit. And for them to shut power down for the fire danger conditions, they need to pay relocation to all of those who are without power.

I won't be affected, but even I know that's a bunch of fucking bullshit.
It may be such a stupid decision that it is bullshit, but I still don't see what the gain for them is in shutting off the power. Hence, no theft, just a stupid decision at worst and a wise decision to avoid possible terrible losses from wind and dry season driven horrific fires at best.
Oh, and I agree that they should pay for all the past fire losses caused by their faulty power lines.
Stupidity is not theft.
 
It may be such a stupid decision that it is bullshit, but I still don't see what the gain for them is in shutting off the power. Hence, no theft, just a stupid decision at worst and a wise decision to avoid possible terrible losses from wind and dry season driven horrific fires at best.
Oh, and I agree that they should pay for all the past fire losses caused by their faulty power lines.
Stupidity is not theft.

Well, its to shield liability and their gross negligence in the past with providing outdated infrastructure.
 
I don't see the connection.

They spent the money they should have spent on infrastructure to pay them absurd salaries, bonuses and pensions.

So they'll just shut off the power to hide how badly the infrastructure is in the face of high winds.
 
They spent the money they should have spent on infrastructure to pay them absurd salaries, bonuses and pensions.

So they'll just shut off the power to hide how badly the infrastructure is in the face of high winds.
That's grasping at straws.
 

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