Gay Marriage in Minnesota

[HailBlazers]

Really, Hail Blazers? So when you get married, your wedding invitations will say Vagina, daughter of so and so, to marry Penis, son of so and so? The minister will say we are gathered here today to join this Vagina and this Penis in holy matrimony? At the end will he pronounce you Penis and Vagina? Say "kiss the Vagina"?.

Really. Holy matrimony is between a man and a woman.

BTW, "like" and "equal" are not the same thing at all. You are mixing them up. A penis and vagina is not "like" two penises or two vaginas. So what? Our Constitution does not say we are all alike, just that we are all equal under the law.

So what? Our country was founded with a creator in mind, one who blessed our nation. Here's an enlightening book if you really want to know so what:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Harbinger-Ancient-Mystery-Americas/dp/161638610X

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

IF MEN = WOMEN, I should be able to freely use the shower in the women's changing room at the swimming pool without any repercussions at all. they be sexist.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Gay people aren't persecuting churches! No one is forcing churches to do anything. Except accept that their religious teachings are not secular law.

I'm not saying they're outright persecuting churches. I know enough gay people upset with the church, complaining, protesting, etc. They want to be included. I'm just saying don't join, or try to join, groups that see differently than you or don't accept you. Don't protest against them unless they're actively protesting you or trying to infringe on your American Rights.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I just think it's interesting, you and I basically agree. However, I think it's interesting that you and I feel very similar about the "other" sides actions. Let me explain. In your opening salvo you said "I will say I'm tired of people shitting on religion like the religions need to be fixed." and then went on to explain yourself. Whereas I am tired of religion shitting on the secular and trying to push their belief system on us.

We both say we believe in separation of church and state, but place our vitriol at opposite ends of the equation. I'm not saying who is right (hint:it's me) but I just thought that our agreement on content with differing blame placement was interesting.

Like if two people both bend over to tie their shoes at the same time only to bump heads. Both feel injured, both say that two people shouldn't bend over to tie shoes in close quarters, but if you ask both people who's fault it is, they both point to the other guy and and say "his fault".

I get what you're saying, and I often sit in your chair. I've gone to gay rallies, parades, etc with friends. They all love and accept my perspective. Most of my gay friends totally agree. They want their freedom and equality as far as American Rights. Beyond that, they accept religion for what it is. They seek religion that aligns with their beliefs and accept them.

Don't force you religion on me, don't force your blackness or Asian-ness or gay-ness on me. We're all equal. If I choose a religion, I choose a religion. If I choose a club, I choose a club. Or a gang. Or a cult. Or whatever. Those are sometimes exclusive. As long as they don't degrade me, persecute me, harm me, I don't give a flying F.

Yeah, easy for big, whitey to say? Just tired of being pushed on. It's like the Trayvon Martin thing. People claim it's racism abound. What about the white baby shot in the face "for fun" by two black teens. We don't have a Sharpton or Jackson reppin' white folk. That's be racist.

I'm just saying, as far as the American level goes, let's exist, let's love, let's accept, and let's be at peace with one another. We are all we got.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

quote "I'm just saying, as far as the American level goes, let's exist, let's love, let's accept, and let's be at peace with one another. We are all we got."


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[ABM]

quote "I'm just saying, as far as the American level goes, let's exist, let's love, let's accept, and let's be at peace with one another. We are all we got."


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"This" is not all I've got....and that's my hope. Certainly doesn't diminish my obligation/directive/responsibility to love others as myself, though.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

"This" is not all I've got....and that's my hope. Certainly doesn't diminish my obligation/directive/responsibility to love others as myself, though.

Well I'm certainly not relying on this board as my reference to "this I all we got". Sheesh. Tough crowd.

 

[ABM]

Well I'm certainly not relying on this board as my reference to "this I all we got". Sheesh. Tough crowd.

What I meant by that was this "world". As a Christian, my hope is beyond.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Me too. Jut giving you ish. Don't be busting my post on cheap semantics.

 

[ABM]

Me too. Jut giving you ish. Don't be busting my post on cheap semantics.

I hear ya...

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[Further]

When I was younger I was more direct (rude) towards religious people who tried to push their beliefs on me. Street preachers and door to door evangelists would hear the most blasphemous things I could say. Now, I've mellowed. I don't like their religions being thrust my way, but I have accepted this is their country too, and I value their rights to believe and mine not to. I say I'm not interested an politely close the door or walk away, but no need to be militant.

Likewise, for those of you who are less than pleased with LGBT's being able to marry, I suggest you look at it the same way I have grown to look at what I consider the overly pushy religious. LGBT's are part of our society and deserve to get equal treatment under the law. Politely don't attend their weddings, but walk away and let them have the freedom being an American entitles them to.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I hear ya...

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I busted your post on cheap semantics?

 

[ABM]

I busted your post on cheap semantics?

Nah, I just agree that we all need to learn how to better get along.

 

[crandc]

Really. Holy matrimony is between a man and a woman.



So what? Our country was founded with a creator in mind, one who blessed our nation. Here's an enlightening book if you really want to know so what:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Harbinger-Ancient-Mystery-Americas/dp/161638610X

Wrong. The Constitution says "we the people" are the highest authority. No creator. No blessing. The fact that fundamentalists say otherwise and even make up quotes from founders does not change things. Read the Constitution. Equal rights and no god.

Are you the arbiter of what is "holy"? Appointed by whom?

I keep hearing about the "white baby shot for fun". The alleged perpetrators were arrested and charged with murder. There were weeks of protests before Zimmerman was arrested. Sharpton et al have talked about violence within the African-American community for years. If you want any credibility, Blazer Prophet, don't parrot talking points.

 

[Eastoff]

Wrong. The Constitution says "we the people" are the highest authority. No creator. No blessing. The fact that fundamentalists say otherwise and even make up quotes from founders does not change things. Read the Constitution. Equal rights and no god.

Are you the arbiter of what is "holy"? Appointed by whom?

I keep hearing about the "white baby shot for fun". The alleged perpetrators were arrested and charged with murder. There were weeks of protests before Zimmerman was arrested. Sharpton et al have talked about violence within the African-American community for years. If you want any credibility, Blazer Prophet, don't parrot talking points.

Thomas Jefferson was agnostic at the very least. The "Under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance in the 50s or 60s.
Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

 

[crandc]

Correct, Eastoff.

The book referenced (I did look it up) was some person with, so far as I can tell, no particular credentials claiming to reveal some "ancient mystery" that the rest of the planet is apparently unaware of that proves, in his mind anyway, that the U.S. was created as a Christian country. Which no doubt means hate gays and force women to have babies.

 

[Eastoff]

View attachment 3346Correct, Eastoff.

The book referenced (I did look it up) was some person with, so far as I can tell, no particular credentials claiming to reveal some "ancient mystery" that the rest of the planet is apparently unaware of that proves, in his mind anyway, that the U.S. was created as a Christian country. Which no doubt means hate gays and force women to have babies.

The Bible tells us Divorce is wrong! STOP THE DIVORCE! WHY DOES GOD PUNISH US? Because we have over 50% divorce rate in the country!!!! :MARIS61: We need to offset these divorces with more marriages, and if same sex couples want to help by getting opposite couple married to same sex partners, then that is a step in the right direction!

 

[crandc]

Not to mention eating bacon (refer to vegan thread). Mixed fiber clothing. And be sure to kill your disobedient children. Shit, the human species would die out if people killed their disobedient children! Or at least those who follow the bible!

Of course the bible also says "sell all that thou hast and give to the poor". Funny, you never hear about those megachurch millionaire preachers doing that!

 

[Further]

If any of the religious people really want to solidify their eternal trip, "sell all that thou hast and give it to..." me. an atheist. Who is poorer, at least spiritually, than an atheist. Sure, some poor might not have a roof over their heads, but at least god can still look down on them and smile. Me, nothing. All I've got is science to keep me company as I peer off into eternity. So, sell your car, sell your computer, your house, all your goods, and send the cash to me.

 

[MarAzul]

Damn! The title of this thread should be the "Misfits Lament".

 

[crandc]

SAY IT LOUD!!! I'M MISFIT AND I'M PROUD!!!!!

 

[Further]

I like that, I'm not gay but I am a misfit, so now I can support the LGBT community and chant right along side that I too am a misfit and proud! What a wonderfully inclusive word.

 

[Eastoff]

Damn! The title of this thread should be the "Misfits Lament".

Oh? No that thread is over here.