George Karl on what's wrong with basketball (and the Blazers)

[riverman]

I think it was LMA's insecurities boiling over

this.....he needed a strong, alpha male, father figure coach...Stotts was a bad fit for his personality...Pops will tell him to shut up and dance

 

[Orion Bailey]

To say that we tried and to say that we didn't do anything are not mutually exclusive statements. We tried to address rim protection, and we failed to do so. Effort does not equal achievement.

Exactly. Many people have said we did nothing to address the issue. We did do something though. Just because the outcome wasn't satisfactory doesn't mean nothing was done.

And YOU better get us a win tonight!!! That's doing something!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Exactly. Many people have said we did nothing to address the issue. We did do something though. Just because the outcome wasn't satisfactory doesn't mean nothing was done.

And YOU better get us a win tonight!!! That's doing something!

My children will yell loudly. Best I can do.

 

[dviss1]

Man... Are we really talking about our locker room being "fractured" because George Karl has his head up his ass?

Jesus...

 

[LuckyShot]

Is nobody going to point out that Karl and Stotts go way back? No way Karl is going to blame anything on Stotts.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hardly. So Dame getting more attention is the reason we suck on defense?

You really think that claim has any credibility?

I'd love to drink a beer with Karl and talk with him more in depth about it.

And yes, Karl knows more about basketball than all of us.

Except me, I know more.

 

[BBert]

I don't remember that; what did he say?

I vaguely recall the comment. I think it was widely assumed on the board at the time he was most likely talking about Batum, and possibly Dame.

 

[tlongII]

I'd love to drink a beer with Karl and talk with him more in depth about it.

And yes, Karl knows more about basketball than all of us.

Except me, I know more.

Karl does not know more about basketball than me. That is a fact.

 

[theprunetang]

Karl: Lillard, Anthony may share similar flaws
http://www.thescore.com/news/1194077
(via http://thesco.re/theScore_app )

Discuss.

 

[theprunetang]

Delete this sly! Didn't see the other thread. I suck.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think Lillard is a little too involved in his rap career and shoe line for my own personal tastes. While it likely doesn't affect his on court performance, when the team isn't doing well, something you have to think if his head is entirely in the game.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Delete this sly! Didn't see the other thread. I suck.

I replied already, too late.

 

[Minstrel]

And yes, Karl knows more about basketball than all of us.

Karl knows a lot about basketball, but doesn't have any sort of insider access to the Blazers and, more to the point, he really gave no basketball reasons for his opinion. It's not enough to be an expert--you have to actually use that expertise in some observable way for your position to have credibility, in my opinion. Karl, to me, simply tossed off a quick observation that basically was just a vote of support for his friend. He didn't say anything that suggested basketball expertise was being applied.

 

[Cippy91]

More blasphemous Dame hate. Just move the whole damn team to Seattle if everybody around here is gonna bitch and complain when shit goes south

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hmmm...I think Pop and San Antonio blow this theory out of the water Or they could just be the exception.

Perhaps not. Look how many international players have excelled in SAS (Diaw, Splitter, Mills, Manu, Parker, Belinelli, Baynes, etc.). They were all exposed to different coaches, different systems, different cultures, yet so many of them excel in SAS, and many don't seem to be worth a shit before, or after SAS.

Of course, Pop is a no nonsense, my way or the highway, kind of coach, but that only works if the players believe in what you're selling. Pop has a track record that speaks for itself, but it hasn't always been that way. He had to build that up over the years and when players have seen his style of team play work elsewhere, they are more likely to instantly buy in. And, if not, he's quick to show them the door.

BNM

 

[BBert]

Karl doesn't know Dame. He knows Stotts. Apparently his decades of professional basketball experience and his close familiarity with Stotts leads him to believe Stotts is a good coach. The bastard.

 

[illmatic99]

So pretty much verbatim whats been said here

 

[BBert]

Perhaps not. Look how many international players have excelled in SAS (Diaw, Splitter, Mills, Manu, Parker, Belinelli, Baynes, etc.). They were all exposed to different coaches, different systems, different cultures, yet so many of them excel in SAS, and many don't seem to be worth a shit before, or after SAS.

Of course, Pop is a no nonsense, my way or the highway, kind of coach, but that only works if the players believe in what you're selling. Pop has a track record that speaks for itself, but it hasn't always been that way. He had to build that up over the years and when players have seen his style of team play work elsewhere, they are more likely to instantly buy in. And, if not, he's quick to show them the door.

BNM

I would offer that for the most part, in the past at least, European players, because of the systems they grew up in, and because of the iron-fisted team oriented nature of European coaching, are coachable. It's been my impression that the European leagues are full of coaches who are just like Pop in their no-nonsense approach. I see European players and Popovich as a perfect match.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I would offer that for the most part, in the past at least, European players, because of the systems they grew up in, and because of the iron-fisted team oriented nature of European coaching, are coachable. It's been my impression that the European leagues are full of coaches who are just like Pop in their no-nonsense approach. I see European players and Popovich as a perfect match.

Not just European players, but international players, in general (Manu, Patty, Baynes, Oberto, etc.).

BNM

 

[BBert]

Not just European players, but international players, in general (Manu, Patty, Baynes, Oberto, etc.).

BNM

You're right. I initially wrote foreign, but didn't like it and changed it to European. I was thinking some of the South Americans came via European basketball. International is more correct.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Karl knows a lot about basketball, but doesn't have any sort of insider access to the Blazers and, more to the point, he really gave no basketball reasons for his opinion. It's not enough to be an expert--you have to actually use that expertise in some observable way for your position to have credibility, in my opinion. Karl, to me, simply tossed off a quick observation that basically was just a vote of support for his friend. He didn't say anything that suggested basketball expertise was being applied.

Karl gave Stotts his first coaching job and then his first NBA coaching job. they have remained very close ever since. I guarantee you has insider knowledge of the Blazers from Stotts.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

More blasphemous Dame hate. Just move the whole damn team to Seattle if everybody around here is gonna bitch and complain when shit goes south

 

[Orion Bailey]

you are a bad dog!! Quit posting that shit giving viewers ideas. Back to the doghouse with you and don't forget your sign!

 

[Minstrel]

Karl gave Stotts his first coaching job and then his first NBA coaching job. they have remained very close ever since. I guarantee you has insider knowledge of the Blazers from Stotts.

No, he has Stotts' viewpoint. By "inside access," I mean the ability to look for himself.

Not to mention, that "close relationship," (which actually extends back to Stotts' playing days and I referenced in my post) gives him a pretty obvious agenda. As a former coach himself and a close friend of Stotts, it's fairly obvious he's not going to blame Stotts. And since he thinks the problem can only be the head coach or the point guard (a fairly ridiculous belief, in my opinion) that leaves only one possibility for him to blame.

If you think Karl's off-hand remarks are insightful, that's fine. I don't find them at all compelling. To me, it reads as, "I don't know much about the situation, but I like Stotts so it's definitely not him."

 

[Driew]

Well now Dame has some more fire to play with...hopefully.

 

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[Nikolokolus]

Mick. I'm sorry tro sound as if I am picking on you, but man so many people posting the same stuff that is just wrong.

We did nothing to address our rim protection?

Olshey pursued elite bigs and they didn't want to come here. So he then signed Ezeli.

No we don't have who we all(including NO) wanted for a C this year, but it doesn't mean we did nothing. We tried and that is doing something.

I'm just soooo tired of people around here saying we didn't do shit.....
Yes we did. Just because plan A didn't work doesn't mean we didn't try.

There is no try. Only do, or do not.

 

[illmatic99]

That's the most aggressive quote I've ever read from Terry. Always backing his players. Props

 

[LuckyShot]