George Karl on what's wrong with basketball (and the Blazers)

[julius]

I mean Jesus, some in here are acting like he's doing something out of the ordinary. Shaq sold and made WAY more rap albums than Lillard.

Iirc, it wasn't until Shaq stopped making movies and raps that his teams started to dominate.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

we all hated lamarsha for having no loyalty and lillard has shown nothing but loyalty to portland and you want to wash your hands of him because he doesnt shoot 100% from the field and average 148 steals a game?

No exaggeration here...

 

[Driew]

Oooooh, this sounds like he's implying Tater Totts is the problem!

I'm sure you're just joking, but I think it's clearly directed at George Karl as a coach calling crappy plays for his PGs lol

 

[blue9]

Actually most of those folks do have relationships and normal lives....it's just that most of them aren't famous

Uhhh, I was talking about the rich and famous, not the dude jamming at the local pub, the lady playing in her rec league, or the fella on stage at the community theater.

 

[riverman]

Uhhh, I was talking about the rich and famous, not the dude jamming at the local pub, the lady playing in her rec league, or the fella on stage at the community theater.

you mean the 1% of entertainers.....ok..professional means one thing....you're paid to do it..

 

[blue9]

I'm sure you're just joking, but I think it's clearly directed at George Karl as a coach calling crappy plays for his PGs lol

Actually I wasn't. This sentence seems to imply that, if we are to believe Karl's either/or falsehood, it's the "coaches plays" that are at fault:

If it's either the coach or the point guard, it's the point guard who runs the coaches plays....

That's the only way I can interpret that sentence.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Actually I wasn't. This sentence seems to imply that, if we are to believe Karl's either/or falsehood, it's the "coaches plays" that are at fault:



That's the only way I can interpret that sentence.

It makes sense that Dame's agent would make a point of saying that Dame isn't the problem. He doesn't care about the team or the coach, only his client.

 

[blue9]

you mean the 1% of entertainers.....ok..professional means one thing....you're paid to do it..

We're talking about Dame so I thought it was obvious that any comparisons would be to people of similar age/wealth/fame. But just to be crystal clear - no, I'm not saying that your average joe who plays guitar for a paycheck shouldn't get married and have kids until after they retire (in their 60s/70s/80s).

 

[Driew]

Actually I wasn't. This sentence seems to imply that, if we are to believe Karl's either/or falsehood, it's the "coaches plays" that are at fault:



That's the only way I can interpret that sentence.

But right after that he says "I guess that explains him becoming a writer..."

 

[dviss1]

Iirc, it wasn't until Shaq stopped making movies and raps that his teams started to dominate.

No. Shaq Diesel came out October of 93'. Orlando went to the finals that year.

 

[dviss1]

Lots of people are pissed at George Karl right now. Rightfully so. He is on a crusade to sell books which is why he is stirring up so much controversy. Typical asshat shit:





Say what you want about Stephen A., his take is spot on IMO

 

[Strenuus]

Lots of people are pissed at George Karl right now. Rightfully so. He is on a crusade to sell books which is why he is stirring up so much controversy. Typical asshat shit:





Say what you want about Stephen A., his take is spot on IMO

Thanks for sharing all those... Stephen A was on point... all of them were. Good stuff.

 

[THE HCP]

Didn't see this thread till just now...... Haven't really been following this whole mess.
Yesterday 4:30, bench guys were out on the court working out as usual. I'm out there, Dame shows up and starts dribbling around, testing the ankle out. Walks up to me, we talk about what we did over Christmas..... talk a little boxing like we always do and then he looks up at me and says, "You hear what Coach Karl said about me?"

He was straight faced and serious.....he was shocked! Said he couldn't believe somebody would trash him like that. Let alone somebody who he has never met. Said he didn't understand it and that's how rumors get started. You could tell he was hurt by it.

I told him to not think twice about it. Said he was just trying to sell some books. And how better to do that then put some BS in it about one of the leagues rising stars.

Didn't get a chance to read this thread, but just wanted to add a behind the scenes angle.

 

[riverman]

Didn't see this thread till just now...... Haven't really been following this whole mess.
Yesterday 4:30, bench guys were out on the court working out as usual. I'm out there, Dame shows up and starts dribbling around, testing the ankle out. Walks up to me, we talk about what we did over Christmas..... talk a little boxing like we always do and then he looks up at me and says, "You hear what Coach Karl said about me?"

He was straight faced and serious.....he was shocked! Said he couldn't believe somebody would trash him like that. Let alone somebody who he has never met. Said he didn't understand it and that's how rumors get started. You could tell he was hurt by it.

I told him to not think twice about it. Said he was just trying to sell some books. And how better to do that then put some BS in it about one of the leagues rising stars.

Didn't get a chance to read this thread, but just wanted to add a behind the scenes angle.

best HCP thread ever dude! Thanks for sharing it!

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Georgey is selling clickbait.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Didn't see this thread till just now...... Haven't really been following this whole mess.
Yesterday 4:30, bench guys were out on the court working out as usual. I'm out there, Dame shows up and starts dribbling around, testing the ankle out. Walks up to me, we talk about what we did over Christmas..... talk a little boxing like we always do and then he looks up at me and says, "You hear what Coach Karl said about me?"

He was straight faced and serious.....he was shocked! Said he couldn't believe somebody would trash him like that. Let alone somebody who he has never met. Said he didn't understand it and that's how rumors get started. You could tell he was hurt by it.

I told him to not think twice about it. Said he was just trying to sell some books. And how better to do that then put some BS in it about one of the leagues rising stars.

Didn't get a chance to read this thread, but just wanted to add a behind the scenes angle.

Neat story but you left out the part where he was talking to someone that mattered while you were washing his car

 

[Strenuus]

Didn't see this thread till just now...... Haven't really been following this whole mess.
Yesterday 4:30, bench guys were out on the court working out as usual. I'm out there, Dame shows up and starts dribbling around, testing the ankle out. Walks up to me, we talk about what we did over Christmas..... talk a little boxing like we always do and then he looks up at me and says, "You hear what Coach Karl said about me?"

He was straight faced and serious.....he was shocked! Said he couldn't believe somebody would trash him like that. Let alone somebody who he has never met. Said he didn't understand it and that's how rumors get started. You could tell he was hurt by it.

I told him to not think twice about it. Said he was just trying to sell some books. And how better to do that then put some BS in it about one of the leagues rising stars.

Didn't get a chance to read this thread, but just wanted to add a behind the scenes angle.

Thanks for the insight, HCP. I like that you work for the team. Not because you do work for the team, it's just easier to schedule my extra curricular activities.

 

[handiman]

No. Shaq Diesel came out October of 93'. Orlando went to the finals that year.

That was a loaded Orlando team that got embarrassed in the Finals, as I recall. Shaq was a dominant underachiever back then.

 

[dviss1]

That was a loaded Orlando team that got embarrassed in the Finals, as I recall. Shaq was a dominant underachiever back then.

What? They didn't underachieve. They played Olajuwon...

 

[handiman]

What? They didn't underachieve. They played Olajuwon...

I said Shaq underachieved, not they, i.e., the team.

They had one of the best centers in the league, one of the best power forwards in the league, one of the best point guards in the league, and one of the better shooting guards in the league, yet they weren't nearly good enough. I don't recall offhand who the SF was.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I said Shaq underachieved, not they, i.e., the team.

They had one of the best centers in the league, one of the best power forwards in the league, one of the best point guards in the league, and one of the better shooting guards in the league, yet they weren't nearly good enough. I don't recall offhand who the SF was.

Sorry, but Houston's lineup was better.

Kenny Smith
Mario Elie
Clyde Drexler
Robert Horry
Hakeem

Hardaway
Nick Anderson
Dennis Scott
Horace Grant
Shaq

Both great lineups, but Orlando got worked because Houston was vet savy. AT THAT TIME, Houston was far superior because of experience alone. Orlando choked because of inexperience.

Then when you add a bench to Houston that includes:

Sam Cassell
Vernon Maxwell
Tracy Murry

VS

Brian Shaw
Tree Rollins
Jeff Turner


Houston was a well oiled machine that had won the year before beating the Knicks.

 

[julius]

No. Shaq Diesel came out October of 93'. Orlando went to the finals that year.

Shaq wasn't truly dominant until he went to LA, and it wasn't until he took his shit seriously that the Lakers dominated.

There's a reason why, tho, he was referred to as "company time" by some Laker fans.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

From his speech in Miami while getting his number retired.

‘Pat, the guys are partying on the beach and you got us practicing at 10. Can you please move it back to 12?’

Just because Shaq was not releasing bad movies or horrible rap albums does not mean he was taking basketball any more seriously.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Shaq wasn't truly dominant until he went to LA, and it wasn't until he took his shit seriously that the Lakers dominated.

There's a reason why, tho, he was referred to as "company time" by some Laker fans.

Shaq took basketball seriously?

 

[dviss1]

I said Shaq underachieved, not they, i.e., the team.

They had one of the best centers in the league, one of the best power forwards in the league, one of the best point guards in the league, and one of the better shooting guards in the league, yet they weren't nearly good enough. I don't recall offhand who the SF was.

Man you're on one and inventing things. Shaq didn't underachieve.

The starting 5 were:

Penny
Nick Anderson
Dennis Scott
Horace Grant
Shaq
(who is the reason they won 50 games and made the finals)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Man you're on one and inventing things. Shaq didn't underachieve.

The starting 5 were:

Penny
Nick Anderson
Dennis Scott
Horace Grant
Shaq
(who is the reason they won 50 games and made the finals)

Man, he only put up 28 & 12.5 on 60% shooting against the best defensive center of his generation! Such an underachiever.

 

[dviss1]

Shaq wasn't truly dominant until he went to LA, and it wasn't until he took his shit seriously that the Lakers dominated.

There's a reason why, tho, he was referred to as "company time" by some Laker fans.

Total, right out of your ass BS.

The year Shas Diesel came out he averaged:

29.3 Pts
13.2 Rebs
2.9 Blks
.599 FG%

Edit: He also played 81 games at 39.8 mpg.

 

[Minstrel]

Shaq did dedicate himself a bit more on the defensive end during the Lakers' championship years, but it wasn't because he stopped doing non-basketball-related things. That was one of the tensions between Shaq and Kobe--Bryant wanted everything to be basketball and nothing but and Shaq viewed it as a job that he could clock out of and do other things on his own time.

 

[dviss1]

Shaq did dedicate himself a bit more on the defensive end during the Lakers' championship years, but it wasn't because he stopped doing non-basketball-related things. That was one of the tensions between Shaq and Kobe--Bryant wanted everything to be basketball and nothing but and Shaq viewed it as a job that he could clock out of and do other things on his own time.

Kobe and he BEEFED because of Shaq's laziness. Shaq was playing 60ish games per season.

 

[blue9]

Kobe and he BEEFED because of Shaq's laziness. Shaq was playing 60ish games per season.

"Kobe"! "Beefed"! Well done!!