Gerald Wallace hurt bad.... with link

[blue32]

fuck the lakers, and fuck that foul, you dont just put your elbow up into someone driving into the lane like that; you can tell he wasnt even trying to make a play for the ball...

the dude should be out for 5-games minimum.

fucking dirty ass lakers.

 

[tlongII]

I can't figure out how he would have a collapsed lung without his rib being broken? I wouldn't be surprised if he plays tonight.

 

[PapaG]

My God. You can hear him writhing in pain.



Elbow to the ribcage when Wallace is in such a vulnerable position? Dick move by Bynum regardless of whether or not he really wanted to injure Gerald.

Bynum reminded me of Bill Laimbeer or Rick Mahorn on that move. Not overtly dirty, but not trying to play the ball either. It warrants a one-game suspension, and also Bynum is now on my radar as potentially getting the "dirty" label if we see more of this from him.

 

[RR7]

Looked to me like he was just slow rotating, and he thought Wallace was going to take another step towards the hoop. He had his hands down, as if to wrap him up and stop the shot, but then he jumped and Bynum was cauight awkwardly. Reading on the internet made it sounda lot worse than I thought it looked.

 

[STOMP]

Now if you want to argue that players should be suspended longer for these types of incidents thats for another thread, but basing it on what the NBA has done before this warrants a one game suspension

that is the point I made but I don't see why I should have to make that comment in a new thread. I hadn't even seen this specific play when I made it but I've felt this way for some time. You know how there are Bird rights? this could be called the Karl Malone rule. Maybe it would be capped at 10 games or something, but a player who sends another onto the IR with an intentional foul not going for the ball/dirty play should receive more then a slap on the wrist one game suspension.

btw, I'm not surprised that the NBA.com highlight you linked shows only the one obstructed view... I'd like to see a better angle of what happened

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[ironcrotch]

It looks to me like Bynum rotated late and didn't want to get posterized by Wallace and didn't know whether to lock him up or go for the block. Looks like he gets stuck at trying to do both.

 

[maxiep]

When a player commits an intentional foul that seriously injures someone, they should miss significant action to deter that sort of BS dirty play. A one game suspension is a joke... this isn't football.

STOMP

I've always felt that the player who injures the other player should be suspended as long as that player is not cleared to play. In other words, if Wallace misses a month, so should Bynum. It would cut down on the dirty plays that no longer get taken care of by on-court fights.

 

[maxiep]

My God. You can hear him writhing in pain.



Elbow to the ribcage when Wallace is in such a vulnerable position? Dick move by Bynum regardless of whether or not he really wanted to injure Gerald.

I like the fact the L*ker PBP guy said, "Yeah, good call. Andrew wasn't going for the ball at all." I wonder how Mike & Mike would have tried to have covered for one of our guys if they had just broken a guy's rib?

 

[maxiep]

I can't figure out how he would have a collapsed lung without his rib being broken? I wouldn't be surprised if he plays tonight.

I thought the Charlotte Observer article said he did sustain a rib injury, either a cracked or a broken one.

 

[Nikolokolus]

holy crap...on the local broadcast there was a mic right by where he fell and you could just hear him loudly moaning in agony.

I dont know what to think about this in terms of the ACTUAL intentions of Bynum. I saw it twice and it seemed like Bynum was going for a rather intentional foul to stop the drive to the hoop. By the rule its absolutely a flagrant because intent has nothing to do with it and Bynum wasnt making a play for the ball really. Both players were moving towards each other which made it worse.

Bynum will probably get suspended a game which I can deal with but I dont think he honestly wanted to injure Wallace

I agree

 

[BlazerBeliever]

I'm with you on this one DaRizzle. I also believe there was no intent to hurt Wallace. I wish we could get Greg or LaMarcus to foul hard like that. I am not saying to commit flagrant fouls, just to foul hard, just make them earn it.

 

[mook]

"Collapsed lung" sound pretty fucking serious, but I remember our running back for BSU (Ian Johnson) had a partially collapsed lung, and he actually finished the game with it (100 yards, 2 tds). He missed one game and then was back in action.

 

[Reep]

I've always felt that the player who injures the other player should be suspended as long as that player is not cleared to play. In other words, if Wallace misses a month, so should Bynum. It would cut down on the dirty plays that no longer get taken care of by on-court fights.

I initially thought that way too. But then you have to picture Oden accidently bodying a Memphis scrub, and Memphis holding that player out due to "injury" the rest of the season just to screw with Portland. You know someone would abuse the rule. I wouldn't be opposed to the League looking at the initial doctor's report and assessing a suspension the same length as the injury is estimated to last. Guys would do more wrapping up and less hip checking.

 

[sabas4mvp]

I can't figure out how he would have a collapsed lung without his rib being broken? I wouldn't be surprised if he plays tonight.

I just read he probably won't be out of the hospital until tomorrow. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/501143.html

When I was born one on my lungs collapsed. No big deal... but then later in that day my other lung collapsed pushing my heart to the other side of my chest. An intern ended up taking a scalpel and cutting me open to relieve the air pressure built up in my chest as my body had turned blue. I made it! I had an ex gf who broke two of her ribs and it sucks. There is really nothing you can do to make them feel better. Whenever you move it pretty much flexes them. I say we trade for wallace now because the bobcats might be willing to trade him if they feel like he will be out for a while and need some instant help.

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

Yeah, a stupid foul, a flagrant foul, but not a malicious foul. When you go up high like that, you don't have anything keeping you upright if something hits you. I don't villainize Bynum for this. Only for being a Laker.

 

[MARIS61]

Looks 100% intentional to me. What a sleaze.

I'd like to see Bynum out for the rest of the year, or at the very least suspended without pay for as long as Wallace is out.

Wallace should sue him for assault and battery.

 

[HailBlazers]

Looks 100% intentional to me. What a sleaze.

Bynum = 100% stupid, just like when he took out Greg in the first game of the year. Somebody needs to tell the kid that just cus he's a laker you can't play cheap.


Oden vs. Bynum is the west coast feud of the future, Can't wait to dominate those damn polluted LA lakers

 

[ehizzy3]

1 game suspension should be enough

 

[maxiep]

I initially thought that way too. But then you have to picture Oden accidently bodying a Memphis scrub, and Memphis holding that player out due to "injury" the rest of the season just to screw with Portland. You know someone would abuse the rule. I wouldn't be opposed to the League looking at the initial doctor's report and assessing a suspension the same length as the injury is estimated to last. Guys would do more wrapping up and less hip checking.

What? Are you saying Memphis may do something underhanded to harm Portland?

On second thought, you're 100% right. I didn't even consider your points when I posted what I'd like to see.

 

[oldmangrouch]

My God. You can hear him writhing in pain.



Elbow to the ribcage when Wallace is in such a vulnerable position? Dick move by Bynum regardless of whether or not he really wanted to injure Gerald.

Dang! When I first saw it, I thought it was a hip check.....but he really skewered him with that elbow.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I initially thought that way too. But then you have to picture Oden accidently bodying a Memphis scrub, and Memphis holding that player out due to "injury" the rest of the season just to screw with Portland. You know someone would abuse the rule. I wouldn't be opposed to the League looking at the initial doctor's report and assessing a suspension the same length as the injury is estimated to last. Guys would do more wrapping up and less hip checking.

I agree. There is no way in hell I would trust Stern/Jackson with that kind of arbitrary power!

 

[Reep]

Wallace Update from ESPN.com:

Wallace was diagnosed as having between 30 and 40 percent of his left lung collapsed and a non-displaced fracture of the fifth rib after being examined at a Los Angeles hospital. He had a chest tube inserted to help restore the lung to functional capacity, but will remain hospitalized for the next 48 hours for observation, the team said.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

About a month ago, Hollinger was being interviewed (by the game or quick) and was asked about possible Blazer trades, I remember he mentioned some other SF would be a good fit for the Blazers. The interviewer brought up the idea of Wallace who Hollinger thought was not the best fit for the Blazers because of his contract and health issues.

I disagreed with him back then (both on the contract and health issues) . . . but maybe Hollinger was spot on with health concerns. It does seem like Wallace has a hard time staying healthy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

About a month ago, Hollinger was being interviewed (by the game or quick) and was asked about possible Blazer trades, I remember he mentioned some other SF would be a good fit for the Blazers. The interviewer brought up the idea of Wallace who Hollinger thought was not the best fit for the Blazers because of his contract and health issues.

I disagreed with him back then (both on the contract and health issues) . . . but maybe Hollinger was spot on with health concerns. It does seem like Wallace has a hard time staying healthy.

It's not that he can't stay healthy because he's some kind of fragile guy (ie. a player who gets hurt in "normal" play) it's the way he plays -- they don't call him "Crash" for nothing" -- He runs around on the court like a free safety and completely sacrifices his body in way 95% of the rest of they guys in the league won't/don't.

I love his game, but I have a feeling the guy's career is going to be cut very short.

 

[rocketeer]

I love his game, but I have a feeling the guy's career is going to be cut very short.

it's already gerald's 8th year in the league. what exactly would his career being cut very short be?

 

[STOMP]

I initially thought that way too. But then you have to picture Oden accidently bodying a Memphis scrub, and Memphis holding that player out due to "injury" the rest of the season just to screw with Portland. You know someone would abuse the rule. I wouldn't be opposed to the League looking at the initial doctor's report and assessing a suspension the same length as the injury is estimated to last. Guys would do more wrapping up and less hip checking...

/driving their elbow through someone's ribs when they've a clear path to the hoop

Anyway, of course teams will seek to use any angle they can to make the rules work for them, I suggested a 10 game cap on this to prevent the sort of sandbagging you're referring to. The idea wouldn't be to cripple a team, but to discourage the cheap shots/dirty play that injures guys. There is no faking broken bones though which I would imagine would be 99% of the sort of injuries that would warrant this punishment

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