Getting a better starting lineup

[NOMAM]

Right now the Nets bench seems fine. But the starting lineup is a problem for me. I only feel comfortable with Harris and Carter starting. Krstic could start but his contract status is up in the air. I don't like Simmons starting and would like to trade him as well as Hassell and Swift. Yi I would rather bring off the bench. I desperately want atleast two more quality staters at the SF and PF/C center positions. The trick is getting someone who has 2 years or less on their contract.


Harris/?
Carter/Hayes/CDR
?/Najera
?/Yi/Anderson
?/Lopez/

Players and assets to use in a trade:

3 million dollar trade exception
2 future first round picks

Young guys:

Marcus Williams
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Expiring contracts:

Stromile Swift
Keith Van Horn

Contract filler:

Trenton Hassell
Bobby Simmons


Sing and trade possibilities:

Nenad Krstic
Bostjan Nachbar


Here are some (really) good players from around the league that have contracts two years or shorter. Some of them the Nets have a slim to none chance of getting but I still believe in miracles. I just want to obtain two more good starters with what the Nets have to trade:

Swingmen:

Manu Ginobli
Josh Howard
Ron Artest
Travis outlaw
Raja Bell
Richard Hamilton
Hedo Turkoglu
Shaw Marion
Mike Miller
Marvin Williams
Joe Johnson
Stephen Jackson

Big guys:

Marcus Camby
Drew Gooden
Zrdrunas Ilgauskas
Anderson Varejao
Shaquille O'Neil
Brad Miller
Carlos Boozer
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
Udonis Haslem
Chis Wilcox
Al Harrington
Lamar Odom

 

[fefe]

Yi will start. and he will do very well. 13/7 at least. Anedrson and Najera will back him up I think.

We have 3 new SFs in Hayes Simmons and Najera (SF-PF).
I'm affraid one of these 3 will start at 3, but there is no way i could agree more, that we need a starting SF. And I'd love Nocioni for that.

as for starting C, we clearly need someone. Brook is nice, but he is our only legit C, and he will do fine with 20 mpg, but not more.
if Krstic signs for cheap, I'm fine with him.
Camby would be great though.

I really hope we can get Dooling or Pargo too as FA. They can backup both guard positions.

for a starting C and a SF, we can give up Marcus, Boone, Sean, Stro, Hassell, KVH, and maybe Ager, with resigned Krstic and maybe even Boki.
If Boone doesn't look valuable in trades, he can stay as a 3rd string C, but I think we will have to use him, and get some big stiff as a 3rd C. Lore Woods was just waived i think

that would be nice...

 

[Lavalamp]

Hayes isn't a SF, he is a PF and is good for gritty defense and grabbing boards, and taking open layups.

Najera can probably be quick enough defensively against some of the bigger and less agile SFs I guess like Lamar Odom, Kirilenko, Harpring, Tayshawn, Powe, Battier, S. Jax, Peja, Turkoglue, Bowen. But guys like J-Rich, Gerald Wallace, RJ, Marion, Tmac, Lebron, Paul Pierce, Josh Howard, Butler, Iguodala are too quick for him.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 15 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hayes isn't a SF, he is a PF and is good for gritty defense and grabbing boards, and taking open layups.

Najera can probably be quick enough defensively against some of the bigger and less agile SFs I guess like Lamar Odom, Kirilenko, Harpring, Tayshawn, Powe, Battier, S. Jax, Peja, Turkoglue, Bowen. But guys like J-Rich, Gerald Wallace, RJ, Marion, Tmac, Lebron, Paul Pierce, Josh Howard, Butler, Iguodala are too quick for him.</div>
Hayes is a SF. Did you mean Najera isn't a SF?

 

[danxcr]

YA... hayes is more of the SF/SG type while najera is the SF/PF type

 

[fefe]

he is probably thinking about chuck hayes on the rockets...
jarvis is no pf at all. i can't see him play too much sg either.
i hope he is not our starting sf though...

 

[Lavalamp]

lol I was totally thinking Chuck Hayes, not Jarvis Hayes. The signing totally makes sense now. Sorry about the confusion.

Well in that case he is a nice fit.

 

[NOMAM]

What about a trade of Bobby Simmons and Yi for Richard Jefferson?

 

[Uneek]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about a trade of Bobby Simmons and Yi for Richard Jefferson?</div>

Very nice... can't wait for that to happen.... what goes around comes back around...

 

[Answer_AI03]

Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.

 

[danxcr]

why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated

 

[BrooklynBound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated

</div>
I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy.

 

[BrooklynBound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
</div>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?

 

[nets1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated

</div>
I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy.
</div>

Back when Kidd was here he was ok with being the #2 guy, but now that kidd and RJ are gone he is expected and expects to be the #1 guy. Its VC's real chance to prove he's a leader. What he did at summer camp was a step in the right direction. This may be vince's toughest year as a pro, and i wonder if he's up to the challange. Who knows maybe Vince will be the new triple double leader on this team...

Oh yeah go nets!!!

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated

</div>
I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy.
</div>

I think that only applies when there is another dominant personality around for him to defer to.

The most interesting thing about this season is that all the alpha dogs are gone and the atmosphere is perfect for a less assertive guy like Vince to really set the tone.

I'm very curious to see how that plays out, but the way he's handled things so far has been really great.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
</div>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?
</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.

 

[BrooklynBound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
</div>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?
</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
</div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated

</div>
I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy.
</div>

I think that only applies when there is another dominant personality around for him to defer to.

The most interesting thing about this season is that all the alpha dogs are gone and the atmosphere is perfect for a less assertive guy like Vince to really set the tone.

I'm very curious to see how that plays out, but the way he's handled things so far has been really great.
</div>
Totally agree. Should be interesting and a more team oriented approach rather than the whole "big 3" thing. Vince knows he'll be needed to score more AND create for others, which is something I think he takes a lot more pride with in the last couple years than ever before. He's older and more mature. We all change over time and right now this could be a situation that comes at just the right time and brings the best out of him.

 

[yinets1860]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Uneek @ Jul 15 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about a trade of Bobby Simmons and Yi for Richard Jefferson?</div>

Very nice... can't wait for that to happen.... what goes around comes back around...

</div>

hehe，i thinks so，may be Yi will become another Dirk。。。。

 

[Chutney]

I'm going to be interested to see how VC responds to his new role on the Nets. In Toronto, he was always our best player on the court but he never embraced the leadership role. Instead he preferred to defer to tougher veterans like Antonio Davis and Charles Oakley. When those players moved on and the organization essentially put that role on him, he kind of avoided the spotlight, would play with less emotion, and seemed reluctant to live up to it.

Also, I'll be watching how he handles a rebuilding process. He's said all the right things so far, but he's never really been on a team that made their uncompetitive intentions so blatant before. The closest was the '04 season, when he suggested trading the just-drafted Chris Bosh and played crappily to force a trade. He's much older and (hopefully) more mature now, but on the other hand, he's never been on such a young, inexperienced team before.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
</div>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?
</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
</div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.
</div>

And gave a damn good run at the Pistons. Brand gets to go to a team in Eastern Conference where there aren't many great teams and, as seen by the Celtics this year, a team can easily turn it around quickly. Brand saw the Sixers as a team with very young talented players that, with the addition of himself, would've been able to beat Detroit in the playoffs and been a very difficult out for Boston. So yes that is near the top of the hill. You have to remember in the eastern conference the hill is more like a bump.

Of course money had something to do with it, but Philly is the protypical young energetic team that players want to play on. This is something I see the Nets turning into. The only difference is, we already have a superstar and two big-time marketing players that make it even more attractive for players to come here.

 

[BrooklynBound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that...

anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div>

Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
</div>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?
</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
</div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.
</div>

And gave a damn good run at the Pistons. Brand gets to go to a team in Eastern Conference where there aren't many great teams and, as seen by the Celtics this year, a team can easily turn it around quickly. Brand saw the Sixers as a team with very young talented players that, with the addition of himself, would've been able to beat Detroit in the playoffs and been a very difficult out for Boston. So yes that is near the top of the hill. You have to remember in the eastern conference the hill is more like a bump.

Of course money had something to do with it, but Philly is the protypical young energetic team that players want to play on. This is something I see the Nets turning into. The only difference is, we already have a superstar and two big-time marketing players that make it even more attractive for players to come here.
</div>Near the top of the hill to me means close to contending. I did not see that with Philly last year. They stole two games and then lost 4 games in a row by significant margin.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
</div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.
</div>
24-17 over the 2nd half of the season. Now with Brand they can do even more damage.

They are young, competitive and promising which is more attractive than a team like Memphis or Seattle. No?

Do you think this team will be more attractive to high level free agents in 2 years if it's got a few young guys with potential and is around .500 or extremely young and coming off a 20 win season like a Seattle is now?

 

[NOMAM]

I'm getting kind of annoyed how this off-season played out so far, particularly the draft and the Jefferson trade.

Why did the Nets make the Jefferson trade before seeing how the draft would play out? It's not like the trade involved any picks from the draft. Say they didn't make the trade and first let the draft play out. Say they took Bayless at 10 and then traded him to the Blazers for the 13th pick and one of the Blazers later pick like the 27th pick or one of their early late 2nd round picks. They then could have come out of the draft with either Rush (13th pick) + Koufos (21st pick) + Chalmers (27th or 33rd pick) + CDR (40th pick). OR they could have taken Robin Lopez at 13th + Courtney Lee at 21 + Chalmers (27th or 33rd pick) + CDR at 40.

Brandon Rush
Kosta Koufos
Mario Chalmers
CDR

OR

Robin Lopez
Courtney Lee
Mario Chalmers
CDR

They could of also tried to do a three way trade with the Pacers and Blazers to try and acquire Jermaine O'Neil since he has two years left on his contract and also try to get Travis Outlaw (two years on contract). Send Lafrentz's expiring contract + other pieces like Swift's expiring contract, Marcu,s couple of first round picks and whatever else to the Pacers. Something could have been worked out there. Nets had pieces to get it done.

So they could of had a lineup like:

Harris/Chalmers
Carter/Hayes/Rush or Lee
Outlaw/Najera
O'Neil/Boone/S.Williams
Krstic/R.Lopez or Koufos/

/whining

 

[BrooklynBound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
The Sixers were near the top of the hill?</div>
I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
</div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.
</div>
24-17 over the 2nd half of the season. Now with Brand they can do even more damage.

They are young, competitive and promising which is more attractive than a team like Memphis or Seattle. No?

Do you think this team will be more attractive to high level free agents in 2 years if it's got a few young guys with potential and is around .500 or extremely young and coming off a 20 win season like a Seattle is now?
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I never made a judgment on whether they are more attractive than certain teams. Just that they weren't close to the top of the hill.

 

[Answer_AI03]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat.

The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.</div>

The Sixers were constructed by trading away bad contracts for expiring contracts and drafting very well. Thats how they got the money to get EB, and thats how they got the players that attracted him.

Trading away VC makes the nets a worse team, therefore, getting them a higher pick. Its up to the nets whether they draft a bunch of children with potential , or solid contributers like the sixers were able to do. Besides how good will VC be in 2 years? Why would Lebron want to play with an old jump shooting ex-dunker? Besides if they can trade VC maybe the Nets can Sign LeBron and another Star.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Sixers were constructed by trading away bad contracts for expiring contracts and drafting very well. Thats how they got the money to get EB, and thats how they got the players that attracted him.</div>
Philly got most of their talent more than 2 years before they got Brand and none were drafted that high.

Iguodala 2004 #9
Dalembert 2001 #26
Green 2003 #42
Williams 2005 #45

Young guys drafted in the last 2 years:
Carney 2006 #16
Young 2007 #12
Smith 2007 #20
Hill 2007 #55

Of those only Young and Smith are contributing.

Now can Yi, Swat, Lopez, Anderson, and CDR turn out to be like some of those guys on the 1st list? Don't see why not. Can the Nets draft some guys in the middle of the 1st round over the next 2 years like those on the 2nd list? Don't see why they can't do that either. They have their pick in 2009 and 2010 as well as Dallas' pick in 2010.

People discount the impact of veterans on the development of young guys. They don't grow up on their own. Guys like Iverson, Webber, Miller and McKie all had an impact on those guys they drafted back in 2001-2005.

 

[Answer_AI03]

So you think Vince Carter is going to have a positive impact on all those young players? I doubt that. I would say Andre Miller had a bigger impact than any of the players you just mentioned for the sixers.

 

[Denny Crane]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think Vince Carter is going to have a positive impact on all those young players? I doubt that. I would say Andre Miller had a bigger impact than any of the players you just mentioned for the sixers.</div>

Word.

Though Iggy is pretty freakin' awesome.