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barfo said:
You are double-dating with your daughter? That's a bit creepy, isn't it?

barfo
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No I take my daughter out on dates. She's my only daughter and I want her to always know she's daddy's little girl.

Stop being perverts!
 
magnifier661 said:
I want her to always know she's daddy's little girl.

Stop being perverts!
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Stop making it so very easy. ;)

As to your question, I have no daughter, but I can certainly understand quality time for a father and child. I was just bantering.
 
Let's review:

Denny thinks something eternal can be created.

Denny doesn't think something existing at 0 time is not eternal, "without a beginning or an end"

Denny thinks time was not created with the creation of the universe.

Denny believes that something with a beginning has no purpose.
 
magnifier661 said:
Let's review:

Denny thinks something eternal can be created.

Denny doesn't think something existing at 0 time is not eternal, "without a beginning or an end"

Denny thinks time was not created with the creation of the universe.

Denny believes that something with a beginning has no purpose.
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No. I think if time is finite, "eternal" is an oxymoron. We know time is finite.

Yes. Nothing existed before time=0.

I think the universe did not create time. I repeat that at time=0, the universe was a singularity. There was no "before."

Right. Some of the time. Shit happens.
 
Denny Crane said:
No. I think if time is finite, "eternal" is an oxymoron. We know time is finite.
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It is not an oxymoron because "eternity" is timeless, so it can exist before the universe exists. Look no further than "singularity" like you try and put your faith on.

Yes. Nothing existed before time=0.
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I said "at", not before. But we know you have a reading comprehension problem when you debate

I think the universe did not create time. I repeat that at time=0, the universe was a singularity. There was no "before."
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And? Who you arguing with? I've already said that time and space was created when the universe was created.

Right. Some of the time. Shit happens.
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The universe has purpose. No "some of the time"
 
Denny Crane said:
No. I think if time is finite, "eternal" is an oxymoron. We know time is finite.

Yes. Nothing existed before time=0.

I think the universe did not create time. I repeat that at time=0, the universe was a singularity. There was no "before."

Right. Some of the time. Shit happens.
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Time is relative and therefore cannot be equal to zero. Therefore the creation of something relative began time at something beyond zero.
 
magnifier661 said:
It is not an oxymoron because "eternity" is timeless, so it can exist before the universe exists. Look no further than "singularity" like you try and put your faith on.


I said "at", not before. But we know you have a reading comprehension problem when you debate



And? Who you arguing with? I've already said that time and space was created when the universe was created.



The universe has purpose. No "some of the time"
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I get that you are confused about the nature of time. It can be either eternal or finite. If it is finite, YOU have an oxymoron because you can't say "always existed" for anything. Always existed means before time began... Logic fault. You go boom.

ETERNITY IS INFINITE TIME, but TIME IS FINITE. Oxymoron. Either/or.

The universe has no "purpose." It happened. There's no "design" to any of it - just that things that don't find an equilibrium fail.

The solar system has no purpose. It was blind luck that enough remains from an old star that blew up at the end of its life collected densely enough in our region of space.
 
Denny Crane said:
I get that you are confused about the nature of time. It can be either eternal or finite. If it is finite, YOU have an oxymoron because you can't say "always existed" for anything. Always existed means before time began... Logic fault. You go boom.
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Singularity existed without time no? Time zero is an oxymoron. It starts the moment the hand moves.

ETERNITY IS INFINITE TIME, but TIME IS FINITE. Oxymoron. Either/or.
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wrong, eternity is "timeless". Infinity is infinite number

The universe has no "purpose." It happened. There's no "design" to any of it - just that things that don't find an equilibrium fail.

The solar system has no purpose. It was blind luck that enough remains from an old star that blew up at the end of its life collected densely enough in our region of space.
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Lmao and your reasoning. Also it's funny you dumped the religion card in this debate. We can use singularity if you wish. You are still dead wrong with what you think.

When something has a beginning, it has purpose. You don't have to think "God did it" to understand something so Simple.
 
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion. It was literally the moment of Creation. ...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Caused that to happen = purpose
 
Jastrow concludes, "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
 
Physicist Victor Stenger says the universe may be "uncaused" and may have "emerged from nothing." Philosopher Bertrand Russell adopted this position in a debate on the existence of God. He said, "The universe is just here, and that's all."

It is one thing to state that something is eternal, and therefore no "cause" is necessary. But it is entirely different to scientifically observe the start of something, the instantaneous beginning of something, and then try to say that it had no cause.
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These are well respected scientists that don't even believe in God. But let an SportsTwo administrator tell you all that you got it all wrong.

This is not even a debate. How can you reason with someone that doesn't believe something is eternal when they admit that the universe had a beginning? And because of this beginning, something "timeless" started the entire motion. End of story...
 
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In 1754, Hume wrote, "I have never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without cause."
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But Denny will answer simply "puh puh puh puhlease believe me!"
 
It is logical to conclude that God, who is from the beginning, eternal and outside of time, created time. God who is present everywhere and cannot be confined to space, created space. God who is spiritual, non-physical and outside of matter is the source of our universe and all that is. This is the message blatantly repeated throughout the Bible.
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This about sums it up
 
There likely was a cause of the Big Bang. The theory does not attempt to identify the cause.

There was no purpose in the sense that some imaginary being decided it was a good idea and that Man would eventually arise because of it.

You misrepresent what those scientists are saying.
 
Denny Crane said:
There likely was a cause of the Big Bang. The theory does not attempt to identify the cause.

There was no purpose in the sense that some imaginary being decided it was a good idea and that Man would eventually arise because of it.

You misrepresent what those scientists are saying.
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Anything with cause = purpose. End of story... Stop trying to sugar coat your nightmare.

You think eternal is an oxymoron, but believing that something cannot be eternal is the true oxymoron.

Let's take God out of the equation and get you to at least admit singularity is eternal
 
You said the universe is a closed system. If it is, god cannot exist in it and outside it.

Your belief system is filled with oxymorons.
 
magnifier661 said:
Anything with cause = purpose. End of story... Stop trying to sugar coat your nightmare.

You think eternal is an oxymoron, but believing that something cannot be eternal is the true oxymoron.

Let's take God out of the equation and get you to at least admit singularity is eternal
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You just posted that the singularity was there at the first instant (time isn't infinite!) and thumped your chest about it.

:lol:
 
Denny Crane said:
You just posted that the singularity was there at the first instant (time isn't infinite!) and thumped your chest about it.

:lol:
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100% accurate. Why? Because singularity existed before time even existed. Eternal... Try again
 
Denny Crane said:
You said the universe is a closed system. If it is, god cannot exist in it and outside it.

Your belief system is filled with oxymorons.
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The universe is a closed system. God can come into the closed system because God is not "matter, space and time". There is zero contradiction that God can exist inside and outside the Universe when God is not bound by the natural laws of the universe.

Keep trying
 
Then again, you said the universe doesn't have purpose but agree that it has cause! Lmao
 
magnifier661 said:
100% accurate. Why? Because singularity existed before time even existed. Eternal... Try again
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You can repeat your finite time vs. eternity oxymoron as many times as you want, but it doesn't make you more right each time. It's wrong from the first time you tried it until you realize your logic fault and realize why.

NOT ETERNAL.

To quote Hawking, it's like saying you can find a point south of the South Pole.

Next you'll be saying you can.

:lol:
 
Denny Crane said:
You can repeat your finite time vs. eternity oxymoron as many times as you want, but it doesn't make you more right each time. It's wrong from the first time you tried it until you realize your logic fault and realize why.

NOT ETERNAL.

To quote Hawking, it's like saying you can find a point south of the South Pole.

Next you'll be saying you can.

:lol:
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You have no concept of eternity. It's "timeless". You can try to put it with infinite time, which is absolutely an oxymoron
 
My car has a cause. It was manufactured in Japan. It has a purpose, too. To get me from here to there.

Semantic word games don't make you right.
 
magnifier661 said:
You have no concept of eternity. It's "timeless". You can try to put it with infinite time, which is absolutely an oxymoron
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You have no concept that timeless and finite time are inconsistent with one another. Either/or.
 
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