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STOMP said:
Well yeah I guess if thats the choice, but I don't think your premise holds water.

I doubt any of the guys in this next draft are going to have more then a modest impact next season, so it's really doubtful they will improve much even if everything goes right for them. Even if the W's had somehow landed the best player from this next draft (whoever that is) I'd much rather be able to take the chance that the wheels fall off of some of their top older players and they totally suck. Much better chance of Portland landing an impact player going that course

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Looking at the history of their franchise, they're going to pay to put players around Steph. I didn't count them out this season when Dray went out and I won't do it next season either.
 
Root for the Warriors to lose their very first Play-in game. That would give the Blazers the 13th pick. In the very unlikely scenario they jump up, you hope it is only to #4 and that they get a rookie who doesn't help their ageing roster next year when the pick is only Top-2 protected in a much better Draft. If it's between a #13 pick in this years Draft and a chance at a Lottery pick in a much better Draft next year....when the Blazers might not have a pick (wishful thinking), I'll take the pick next year.

That also keeps us from having 4 picks in this years Draft. Better to spread them out a bit, especially with a chance to really make it better. The Warriors time has passed and they are only getting older with no cap flexibility. They may lose Thompson and there isn't a big market for Wiggins.

The upside for next year versus #13 or 14 this year is just too tempting.
 
TBpup said:
Root for the Warriors to lose their very first Play-in game. That would give the Blazers the 13th pick. In the very unlikely scenario they jump up, you hope it is only to #4 and that they get a rookie who doesn't help their ageing roster next year when the pick is only Top-2 protected in a much better Draft. If it's between a #13 pick in this years Draft and a chance at a Lottery pick in a much better Draft next year....when the Blazers might not have a pick (wishful thinking), I'll take the pick next year.

That also keeps us from having 4 picks in this years Draft. Better to spread them out a bit, especially with a chance to really make it better. The Warriors time has passed and they are only getting older with no cap flexibility. They may lose Thompson and there isn't a big market for Wiggins.

The upside for next year versus #13 or 14 this year is just too tempting.
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you don't want big brand Warriors name floating around a #1 pick in a loaded draft. Especially after the Wiseman flameout. Grab anything related to Golden State while the league still makes it possible.
 
TBpup said:
Root for the Warriors to lose their very first Play-in game. That would give the Blazers the 13th pick. In the very unlikely scenario they jump up, you hope it is only to #4 and that they get a rookie who doesn't help their ageing roster next year when the pick is only Top-2 protected in a much better Draft. If it's between a #13 pick in this years Draft and a chance at a Lottery pick in a much better Draft next year....when the Blazers might not have a pick (wishful thinking), I'll take the pick next year.

That also keeps us from having 4 picks in this years Draft. Better to spread them out a bit, especially with a chance to really make it better. The Warriors time has passed and they are only getting older with no cap flexibility. They may lose Thompson and there isn't a big market for Wiggins.

The upside for next year versus #13 or 14 this year is just too tempting.
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I think when teams don't make the playoffs and the lotto has been completed that tied regular season records still get settled by a coin flip. So if the Kings get beat the game after they beat the Warriors, I don't think the Warriors automatically get that 13th pick. In fact if the Heat lose two play in games it will be some three way coin flipping action.
 
My dream scenario is the Blazers win the draft, get a stud with the Warriors’ pick this year, and trade the veterans except Ayton. Embrace the Suck for one more year.

[Gon’ers would be Ant, Grant, Matisse, Time Lord, Brogdon. Ayton stays unless the Pacers want him for Turner and Jarace Wallace.]
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
My dream scenario is the Blazers win the draft, get a stud with the Warriors’ pick this year, and trade the veterans except Ayton. Embrace the Suck for one more year.

[Gon’ers would be Ant, Grant, Matisse, Time Lord, Brogdon. Ayton stays unless the Pacers want him for Turner and Jarace Wallace.]
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My dream scenario is that we use the Warrior's mid-first round pick to get the next Giannis. That would be funny.
 
Marc Jackson, IIRC, got the axe at GST that led to the Kerr as “great coach” from the jump storyline. Nice to inherit that team … which leads to my expecting Popovich — who is old and grumpy and old — to retire soon enough with Kerr bailing for the Spurs … at which point I’ll have to continue despising the Spurs and praying that Wemby will go East for shorter flights back home.

Golden State will suck and the League can go back to ignoring them for a decade.
 
AmirIcon said:
Looking at the history of their franchise, they're going to pay to put players around Steph. I didn't count them out this season when Dray went out and I won't do it next season either.
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capped out as they are, how in the world do you think they're going to pay new players to put around Steph? They'll have the mid-level exception and thats it for Free Agency. With no 1st rounder the other route is trades, but do they really want to roll the dice and part with their young frontcourt assets Jackson-Davis or Kuminga? No guarentee that moving them would improve the team.

Back when they were struggling early on this season, I was a very lonely voice in this same thread saying the Warriors were still had the ability to be a really good team. I do believe that they could be a very good team next year as well. But father time wins in the end agaist everyone and it's only a matter of time before the W's aging great players end their run. A significant injury to Steph or Draymond and they're toast.

STOMP
 
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blazerkor said:
I think Klingan would have more than a modest impact on the Warriors. I would personally rather just have the pick now. A bird in the hand and whatnot.
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TJD is doing very well for the W's at the 5... their season closing run corresponds with his role being expanded and eventually becoming a starter.

The bird in hand reference doesn't work here as its not like Portland isn't going to get a 1st rounder out of GS, it would just be in a different draft then this piss poor next one.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
TJD is doing very well for the W's at the 5... their season closing run corresponds with his role being expanded and eventually becoming a starter.

The bird in hand reference doesn't work here as its not like Portland isn't going to get a 1st rounder out of GS, it would just be in a different draft then this piss poor next one.

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Yeah the Warriors have a nice small ball club but a legit big on their bench would be a difference maker.

As far as the bird goes… the bird I was referring to was a lotto pick or near lotto because there is no guarantee that the Warriors will have this bad of a record next year. Thinking that they will have a worse record is very much like figuring on securing the two birds in the bush.
 
blazerkor said:
As far as the bird goes… the bird I was referring to was a lotto pick or near lotto because there is no guarantee that the Warriors will have this bad of a record next year. Thinking that they will have a worse record is very much like figuring on securing the two birds in the bush.
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According to most everyone who evaluates drafts, this is the worst one in top talent and depth in a decade plus. A 20th pick in better draft class can be much more valuable then the 12th in a worse one. Portland is getting a #1 from them (a single bird) sooner or later.

While it's unlikely the Warriors have the exact same record next year, their fate is hitched to a 36/37 year old Steph Curry and other aging talent. The wheels are more and more likely to fall off and them totally sucking in a year where the draft talent is universally thought to be much better then this year. That potential W's drop off + a better thought of draft class talent = easy choice

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Sacramentos Pick should be 14th because they finnished above Golden State
 
Jared McCain declared today.
Duke, PG, Scoot needs a backup
 
STOMP said:
According to most everyone who evaluates drafts, this is the worst one in top talent and depth in a decade plus. A 20th pick in better draft class can be much more valuable then the 12th in a worse one. Portland is getting a #1 from them (a bird) sooner or later.

While it's unlikely the Warriors have the exact same record next year, their fate is hitched to a 36/37 year old Steph Curry and other aging talent. The wheels are more and more likely to fall off and them totally sucking in a year where the draft talent is universally thought to be much better then this year. Comprende?

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Not to mention that the GSW have not been overly competitive the last 4 years.

They've had the #2, #14, #27, #18 and now the #13 picks. It is a gamble, but that franchise is trending down
 
Anyone know when the coin flips happen?

If Miami or Sacramento miss the playoffs there could be 2 that impact this GS pick. If Philly and New Orleans make the playoffs the pick would be slotted at 12.

Lottery could either have the pick roll to next year (which I'm growing more fond of) or slide back if the pick 13/14 team jumps GS. It cannot jump to 5-11. Most likely it would stay put.

Blazers own pick is also dependent on coin flip with Charlotte for 3 vs 4.
 
Strangely wonder if the Warriors get top4 it could push them to not rebuild where they may consider it more if the pick debt is paid off to us.

This team just spent 400 million on payroll and missed the playoffs. Might prefer to pocket cash from Klay/CP3 walking and rebuild with Steph like Lakers did with Kobe.

If they own their own 2025 pick that's a way better strategy. If we get the pick 2-30 conversely there is nearly zero tank incentive.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Strangely wonder if the Warriors get top4 it could push them to not rebuild where they may consider it more if the pick debt is paid off to us.

This team just spent 400 million on payroll and missed the playoffs. Might prefer to pocket cash from Klay/CP3 walking and rebuild with Steph like Lakers did with Kobe.

If they own their own 2025 pick that's a way better strategy. If we get the pick 2-30 conversely there is nearly zero tank incentive.
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maybe

if they just cut CP3 they'll have about 30M in margin under the projected tax line (about 174M). No cap space, but some maneuvering room. I'd imagine there will be some momentum in giving Klay a 'reward for service' contract of 7-10M; probably a 1-year deal. But I could also see them being tempted (assuming the high probability the Blazers keep their pick this draft) to just tear it all apart. They may already be quietly shopping Wiggins and Green (I think they are fed up with Green and he is 34). If they do that they'd have a good shot at tanking into the 2025 draft. If I was to lay odds, I might bet that at least one of Wiggins/Green will be traded. I wouldn't bet much though

if the Warriors have a high pick in 2025 plus the 21 year old trio of Kuminga-Moody-Podziemski, they have a pretty decent start at some long-term upside
 
well, if it's a 'choice' between having the 12th or 13th pick, Blazers should want 13th:

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there is also the top-4 protected factor: if the pick is 12th, there's a 7.2% chance it's a top-4 pick and the Warriors keep it. If it's 13th, it drops to a 4.7% chance
 
wizenheimer said:
well, if it's a 'choice' between having the 12th or 13th pick, Blazers should want 13th:

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there is also the top-4 protected factor: if the pick is 12th, there's a 7.2% chance it's a top-4 pick and the Warriors keep it. If it's 13th, it drops to a 4.7% chance
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wizenheimer said:
well, if it's a 'choice' between having the 12th or 13th pick, Blazers should want 13th:

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there is also the top-4 protected factor: if the pick is 12th, there's a 7.2% chance it's a top-4 pick and the Warriors keep it. If it's 13th, it drops to a 4.7% chance
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I'd rather the Warriors win the lottery with a top-4 pick in 2024.
The 2025 pick is only top 1 protected.
So for me the 12th pick is better whether the Blazers keep it or not.
 
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