Golden State Warriors pick watch

[SharpesTriumph]

The Knicks have not been a lotto team as of late, and are less likely to be so with Curry. I wouldn't gamble what could be a high lotto pick for 3 picks that might be in the 20s.

Also the spacing, if having a pick in 2024 is good since the other picks we acquired are down the road.

Only 1 of those picks I included was NY's own. Could have the pick a different year than 2026 - most consensus is 2024 is a weak draft so it could be a very shrewd move to trade out and pick up multiple other 1st rounders.

People said the Warriors pick would be bad - Warriors won a title 18 months ago. So yeah Knicks pick might be late or it might be great.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Warriors lose to a Clippers team missing Paul George.

Klay had a season high 30 points (prior was 23), his best scoring game of the year and they still lose. Guy is a shell of being a splash brother. Actually impressive he can even play in the league at all with a reconstructed ACL in one leg and a snapped Achilles in the other.

So enjoy watching this team lose. They are now 10-14. 4 games under .500 while the 9th seed is 3 games over - a difference of 7 games. We are 11 games under .500 - the same difference to the Warriors record.

So yeah the Warriors are as close to the 14th spot in the West as the 9th seed.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

There are 5 teams with 9-10 wins. If Golden State continues on a losing streak they could fall to the bottom of this group which is pick #7



Here are the odds of where the #7 worst team pick would end up




So most likely it would be pick 7-9. 68.1% chance we would get the pick.

 

[BankTeller]

GS current records vs other WC teams, for tie breakers:

PHX (0-3, last game 2/10)
LAL (0-0, the first of four games isn’t until 1/27)
SAC (2-1, last game 1/25)
HOU (2-0, last game 4/4)
NO (1-0, two games 1/10, 4/12)
LAC (1-1, two games 12/14, 2/14)

Update:
GS current records vs other WC teams, for tie breakers:

PHX (0-3, last game 2/10)
LAL (0-0, the first of four games isn’t until 1/27)
SAC (2-1, last game 1/25)
HOU (2-0, last game 4/4)
NO (1-0, two games 1/10, 4/12)
LAC (1-2, last game 2/14)

 

[BankTeller]

Something perturbs me about Kuminga. On one hand, he’s this ultra-athletic freak that is really efficient—genuinely, he looks like he could be a very good player. On the other hand, you can clearly see reasons as to why he might never be one. He fouls WAY too much, and the problem has not fixed itself. He’s has 4-5fls in the last three games, and more than just a few where he has that many in 20mins or 3 in 10mins. This is a make or break stretch for Kuminga with the Warriors I think. With a subpar stretch, I don’t see him being the prize rookie in a deal for an AS.

First game starting during the “indefinite supension” period:
15/5/1/0/1 (4fls, 25mins) 5/10 fg, 2/3 3pt, 3/3 ft

Solid, but doesn’t suggest star. 4 fouls in 25mins is not good. He has the same issues as Scoot, I don’t think I’d want him starting and putting us in foul trouble early. No way he and Scoot could start together right now even if the vets are traded. Stalling the game with fouls and sending the other team to the line makes the development of this team even worse.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Something perturbs me about Kuminga. On one hand, he’s this ultra-athletic freak that is really efficient—genuinely, he looks like he could be a very good player. On the other hand, you can clearly see reasons as to why he might never be one. He fouls WAY too much, and the problem has not fixed itself. He’s has 4-5fls in the last three games, and more than just a few where he has that many in 20mins or 3 in 10mins. This is a make or break stretch for Kuminga with the Warriors I think. With a subpar stretch, I don’t see him being the prize rookie in a deal for an AS.

First game starting during the “indefinite supension” period:
15/5/1/0/1 (4fls, 25mins) 5/10 fg, 2/3 3pt, 3/3 ft

Solid, but doesn’t suggest star. 4 fouls in 25mins is not good. He has the same issues as Scoot, I don’t think I’d want him starting and putting us in foul trouble early. No way he and Scoot could start together right now even if the vets are traded. Stalling the game with fouls and sending the other team to the line makes the development of this team even worse.

I have never viewed Kuminga as a prize in any trade. He is a high draft pick that has not lived up to expectations and will be soon out of his rookie contract. I would think of him more as someone to take a flyer on if you can get him as a throw in to make the numbers work.

11 of the next 13 games the Warriors play will be at home. If they do not start making up some serious ground, it is going to be tough just making the play in.

 

[BankTeller]

I have never viewed Kuminga as a prize in any trade. He is a high draft pick that has not lived up to expectations and will be soon out of his rookie contract. I would think of him more as someone to take a flyer on if you can get him as a throw in to make the numbers work.

11 of the next 13 games the Warriors play will be at home. If they do not start making up some serious ground, it is going to be tough just making the play in.

It certainly seems that way. I’m paying a lot of attention to this whole Warriors situation and reading into what their fans are thinking. It’s borderline-addicting. It’s a lot better than you would think.

 

[blazerfan11]

I have never viewed Kuminga as a prize in any trade. He is a high draft pick that has not lived up to expectations and will be soon out of his rookie contract. I would think of him more as someone to take a flyer on if you can get him as a throw in to make the numbers work.

11 of the next 13 games the Warriors play will be at home. If they do not start making up some serious ground, it is going to be tough just making the play in.

It's interesting that Kuminga (21 y.o.) is nearly 2 1/2 years younger than Toumani Camara.

 

[BankTeller]

This is the entire Warriors situation:
- Draymond suspension aside…

- The avenues to improve the team to the point of contention or even sure-fire playoff team is near impossible…impossible. Outside of owing us their pick with obligations out to ‘26, they already traded their ‘30 1st to Washington. This means they won’t even be able to trade more than one 1st (‘28) until they make the playoffs or their pick falls outside the top 4 on lotto night. This pretty much takes them out of any Siakam or OG deal I would think, I totally forgot about the obligation to Washington.

- Even with Draymond, their lack of big man depth is almost as bad as ours. Saric isn’t a rim protector, and neither is Looney.

- I still personally believe in Wiggins, but the Warriors have now just deliberately tanked his value by benching him. Apparently, there are rumors GS could be interested in a 3 year deal with CP3 around the Wiggins amount, but this won’t be possible with Wiggins on the roster.

- The Klay dilemma is already well-discussed. Is an unprotected ‘28 1st enough to trade for a Lavine? They really can’t trade any useful players out for Lavine either, so one 1st sounds low.

I’m not exactly sure where they could go.

 

[MarinerDNA]

Something perturbs me about Kuminga. On one hand, he’s this ultra-athletic freak that is really efficient—genuinely, he looks like he could be a very good player. On the other hand, you can clearly see reasons as to why he might never be one. He fouls WAY too much, and the problem has not fixed itself. He’s has 4-5fls in the last three games, and more than just a few where he has that many in 20mins or 3 in 10mins. This is a make or break stretch for Kuminga with the Warriors I think. With a subpar stretch, I don’t see him being the prize rookie in a deal for an AS.

First game starting during the “indefinite supension” period:
15/5/1/0/1 (4fls, 25mins) 5/10 fg, 2/3 3pt, 3/3 ft

Solid, but doesn’t suggest star. 4 fouls in 25mins is not good. He has the same issues as Scoot, I don’t think I’d want him starting and putting us in foul trouble early. No way he and Scoot could start together right now even if the vets are traded. Stalling the game with fouls and sending the other team to the line makes the development of this team even worse.

Low BB IQ, but an elite athlete. I'm actually impressed with how much he's developed over the last year. I'd take him as an energizer/microwave guy off the bench. Lack of a feel for the game will always stunt his potential.

 

[BankTeller]

I saw this trade proposal online that I liked:

Spurs get: Joseph, CP3

Warriors get: Collins, Graham, McDermott

This would help both teams. Warriors get much needed size, Spurs actually have a vet PG to help Wemby develop next year. This would also make them a contender to draft Sarr if he’s available.

 

[Bif]

Chicago - what if we go all the way to 2028 and still haven’t paid them the 1st that we owe them. Then we have a great year, make the playoffs. At the same time Milwaukee sucks and ends up they win the lottery and we have the right to swap. But we can’t swap because we owe Chicago a number one. Is this correct? If so, we need to fix that or the swap is worthless.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't see GS viewing Grant better than Wiggins. Wiggins was key to them winning a title and is younger.

If GS trys to win now it's probably more CP3 salary going out.

Hard to say who they value more because the skills they provide are so different. (Grant is a much better 3pt shooter) But I don't think age will be a factor. Grant is one year older, but their mileage is almost identical. Both came into the league the same year and have played about the same amount of games. Their age won't be a factor for another 3-4 years.

 

[blazerkor]

I saw this trade proposal online that I liked:

Spurs get: Joseph, CP3

Warriors get: Collins, Graham, McDermott

This would help both teams. Warriors get much needed size, Spurs actually have a vet PG to help Wemby develop next year. This would also make them a contender to draft Sarr if he’s available.

I don't think you draft Sarr after Wemby. I think you need a guy next to him that can really hold his ground. Who knows though. I honestly think they would prioritize another position especially if it meant trading out of that spot and adding a future FRP.

 

[BankTeller]

I don't think you draft Sarr after Wemby. I think you need a guy next to him that can really hold his ground. Who knows though. I honestly think they would prioritize another position especially if it meant trading out of that spot and adding a future FRP.

I agree with you. That’s just something I’ve seen with an explanation that was good. Really, if they had CP3, they wouldn’t need to draft Topic. It could be Sarr, then drafting Collier or Castle with the Raptors pick to be mentored by CP3.

I just think having CP3 alleviates all pressure of drafting the best PG. I’ve always thought that they would have to trade for a player like Brogdon if they plan on trying to take Sarr because they can’t waste a year of Wemby’s development. Well, CP3 is an even more upgraded version of that. I wouldn’t put it past them to do this.

 

[wizenheimer]

Chicago - what if we go all the way to 2028 and still haven’t paid them the 1st that we owe them. Then we have a great year, make the playoffs. At the same time Milwaukee sucks and ends up they win the lottery and we have the right to swap. But we can’t swap because we owe Chicago a number one. Is this correct? If so, we need to fix that or the swap is worthless.

a lot of swaps are generally useless and don't get exercised. A lot of the rest are highly speculative. Portland's two swaps with Milwaukee (2028 & 2030) are highly speculative. in 2028, Dame will be 38; Middleton 37; Lopez 40. Even Giannis will be 34. Add 2 years to each for the 2030 swap. So yeah, the Bucks' picks could be in the lottery and there are no protections on them. So, depending on where Portland is, one of both of those swaps might have great value...or not

and yes, Olshey's trade with the Bulls was amazingly idiotic at the time it was made and has only become more idiotic with each passing year. It's an encumbrance that could very well end up screwing the Blazers, big time

 

[Blazinaway]

can't believe Spurs have lost 18 in a row! and they got Wemby, Pops goin full tank

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I agree with you. That’s just something I’ve seen with an explanation that was good. Really, if they had CP3, they wouldn’t need to draft Topic. It could be Sarr, then drafting Collier or Castle with the Raptors pick to be mentored by CP3.

I just think having CP3 alleviates all pressure of drafting the best PG. I’ve always thought that they would have to trade for a player like Brogdon if they plan on trying to take Sarr because they can’t waste a year of Wemby’s development. Well, CP3 is an even more upgraded version of that. I wouldn’t put it past them to do this.

Don't see how CP3 changes anything with those teenagers - dude is probably a few months away from retiring.

 

[BankTeller]

Don't see how CP3 changes anything with those teenagers - dude is probably a few months away from retiring.

Well the point wouldn’t be to compete, they’re literally just taking CP3’s remaining salary and making him their guy to help the young guys develop, especially Wemby.

They’re not giving up 1sts for CP3, they’re giving up their stopgap big man to a team that desperately needs a big and are getting back a PG which they desperately need. They’re still in the running for some of the top guards in the draft with likely two picks in the first half of the lotto. Unless Collins can fetch a 1st in the future, there’s no reason not to do it.

Yeah, of course, if he tells you he’s retiring if he gets traded there, they don’t trade for him. You have to assume the Spurs do their due diligence before making a deal.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If the warriors struggle the next month could we see them try to cut big salaries at the trade deadline?

Their currently $42 million over the tax and as a repeater team that's about $195 million check they have to write this year for luxury tax.

They were fine paying that when contending. But when they are out of even the playin not sure their ownership wants to throw that money away. Those owners have a ton of revenue that has let them pay these taxes, but their not the wealthiest owners in the league like Balmer where they have tens of billions. They also have many minority owners that together can put a lot of pressure as well as typically being more hesitant to pay.

They could send out Klay, CP3 or Wiggins and take back much less salary which could probably save $100 million. They might even try to sell to their fans it's an attempt to improve an obviously not winning roster.

I doubt they move Curry, but if they did they certainly could get a young player, picks, and some massive luxury tax relief.

This pick we own looks better every day.

 

[Whyachi]

Brooklyn down 6 in 2nd qtr.
C'mon Nets !!
Durant was bringing you down, you got this

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Lead down to 6 after 3rd quarter.

Was around 16 at half.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Nets now up 2.

 

[Whyachi]

Nets now up 2.

Steph ate them up, the Brooklyn brickers had no answer

 

[beast blazer]

The Warriors should probably try and blow it up and try to get assets before their guys age out.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Warriors should probably try and blow it up and try to get assets before their guys age out.

When you've won 4 titles the last decade you don't have to do anything.

Sure they could blow it up, but chances are they won't contend soon regardless of their action.

If Dame and ? teammates had won multiple titles here, I'd have been totally fine just losing his last few years then doing a rebuild after.

 

[beast blazer]

When you've won 4 titles the last decade you don't have to do anything.

Sure they could blow it up, but chances are they won't contend soon regardless of their action.

If Dame and ? teammates had won multiple titles here, I'd have been totally fine just losing his last few years then doing a rebuild after.

No one said they had to do anything. Maybe the Warriors will get pleasure from seeing the creaky bones version of what used to be a good team play into their late 30s. I don't care what they do personally. If It were my team I'd want to get something for your expiring assets vs getting nothing.

 

[Labinot41]

big game tonight

 

[Whyachi]

cheaters! Warriors gotta cheat to beat the crummy Blazers. What a sad franchise the former champions have become. I hope Draymond Green punches another teammate. Those jerks deserve it.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sucks we couldn't have beat them one of these last two games.

On the bright side we have one more chance, and them giving us a game winning chance at the end isnt a great sign for them against a 6 win opponent.

Klay and Wiggins both probably had their best offensive games of the year which is not going to continue. Hoping the rest of the West smokes them in the weeks ahead.