Golden State Warriors pick watch (1 Viewer)

[Natebishop3]

So any team that loses to Denver in Denver is now a bad team? Going to agree with STOMP on this one and guess you were spitballing.

GS has played the sixth highest strength of schedule before this game was taken into consideration. They have beaten multiple teams that are currently in the playoffs, one being the current champion favorites the Celtics. They get a nice home stand to build on the current momentum. Thompson's shooting is getting better. Paul is back. Kuminga is playing better in Green's absence. Podziemski is contributing. They still have room for growth with Wiggins not in form. Payton and Green will be back eventually.

I still see them as a team that will have to win in the play in to make the playoffs with the possibility of being in the lottery with injuries. Not great, but a decent team. To say they are a bad team is just wishful thinking IMO.

Ok. Let's take a look at their record against good teams.

Phoenix? 0-3

Minnesota? 0-2

Cleveland? 0-2

OKC? 1-4

Clippers? 1-2

Kings? 2-1

Here are their wins
Portland - 3 wins
Houston - 2 wins
Sac - 2 wins
OKC - 1 win
New Orleans - 1 win
Wizards - 1 win
Boston - 1 win
Brooklyn - 1 win
Detroit - 1 win
San Antonio - 1 win
Clippers - 1 win

So who out of that list is a solid win? Boston, OKC (but they lost the series 3-1), the Kings but that was early in the season. They lost to Sac 11/28.

They're not a good team. They're a mediocre team at best. If you take out Portland, San Antonio, and Detroit, and Washington, their record would be 9-15.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hey, I thought I was the most combative and condescending?!? Thanks a lot, Nate!

Nah, you're just a devils advocate on literally everything.

 

[Tince]

Nah, you're just a devils advocate on literally everything.

That doesn't have nearly as nice of a ring to it!

 

[Natebishop3]

That doesn't have nearly as nice of a ring to it!

But still better than a giant butthole puckering with words coming out!

 

[wizenheimer]

is puckering what happens when you cross Shakespeare with Dickens?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Ok. Let's take a look at their record against good teams.

Phoenix? 0-3

Minnesota? 0-2

Cleveland? 0-2

OKC? 1-4

Clippers? 1-2

Kings? 2-1

Here are their wins
Portland - 3 wins
Houston - 2 wins
Sac - 2 wins
OKC - 1 win
New Orleans - 1 win
Wizards - 1 win
Boston - 1 win
Brooklyn - 1 win
Detroit - 1 win
San Antonio - 1 win
Clippers - 1 win

So who out of that list is a solid win? Boston, OKC (but they lost the series 3-1), the Kings but that was early in the season. They lost to Sac 11/28.

They're not a good team. They're a mediocre team at best. If you take out Portland, San Antonio, and Detroit, and Washington, their record would be 9-15.

A bad team loses to bad teams. They might be mediocre at best but are probably also mediocre at worst.

Taking out Portland, San Antonio, Detroit, and Washington also gives them 9 wins against teams currently in the playoffs or play in.

They have played the sixth hardest strength of schedule so far, thus have the sixth easiest schedule remaining.

With the pick only being top 4 protected, winning 5 our of their last 6 has probably put them in the land of no return in regards to tanking to keep the pick. Other teams that have incentive to tank are going to push them further down the draft board.

 

[Natebishop3]

A bad team loses to bad teams. They might be mediocre at best but are probably also mediocre at worst.

Taking out Portland, San Antonio, Detroit, and Washington also gives them 9 wins against teams currently in the playoffs or play in.

They have played the sixth hardest strength of schedule so far, thus have the sixth easiest schedule remaining.

With the pick only being top 4 protected, winning 5 our of their last 6 has probably put them in the land of no return in regards to tanking to keep the pick. Other teams that have incentive to tank are going to push them further down the draft board.

Portland, Detroit, San Antonio, and Washington aren't just bad. They're god awful. Detroit literally can't win games. The Warriors are somewhere between really bad and mediocre.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Portland, Detroit, San Antonio, and Washington aren't just bad. They're god awful. Detroit literally can't win games. The Warriors are somewhere between really bad and mediocre.

Riight. That is how Denver in Denver only beat them by six and they had won the previous five with a win against Boston.

Hoping you cash in if you really think they are really bad to mediocre since a team described as that should not make the playoffs. Bookmakers definitely do not agree with you.

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[MarinerDNA]

I'm not worried. They're a bad team. They have boosted their record this month because they got to play us a bunch, but they can't beat good teams. Denver just beat them.

I don't think they're a great team or anything, but they seem better than sub .500. That's fine. Dunn, Shepherd, Dillingham, Clingan could fall in the draft. If not, I really like McCuller and Missi. I would prefer we take a high-floor player with one of these picks.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If they're healthy they'll be a mediocre to tough team.

I wouldn't count on them staying healthy.

 

[STOMP]

Are you literally incapable of making posts that sound like a raging asshole? Are you like this in person? I have known you now for like 15 years in this community and your posts are some of the most combative and condescending posts on here. You have battled with countless people. When I read these posts, I imagine a giant butthole puckering as words come out.

oh no, looks like I've stepped in it and I have to offer an appology. You've a well established reputation for being delightfully untethered to reality and we all appreciate the unfiltered hot takes in thread after thread after thread after thread after thread, so it was my bad for being confused over who was posting factual nonsense. Given context, you are completely correct that Golden State didn't just beat the team with the best record in the league. The surge they've had of late which coresponds with Klay rounding into form is only relevant if you say it is. Furthermore, the Warriors didn't win an NBA championship with largely this same roster just a year and a half ago because as you stated they are a bad team. I am such a giant butthole, so sorry, the flailing personal attack was totally justified. Merry Christmas!

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

If they're healthy they'll be a mediocre to tough team.

I wouldn't count on them staying healthy.

I wouldn't count on any team staying healthy, heck look at whats happened with Portland's young roster this season. Without a doubt their ultimate fate is largely tied to the health of Curry and Klay as they are their two primary offensive threats and none of the young guys seem capable of replacing that. That said what their two rookies are showing has been impressive and they've considerable upside IMO with Wiggins struggling and Draymond and GP2 out.

STOMP

 

[Phatguysrule]

I wouldn't count on any team staying healthy, heck look at whats happened with Portland's young roster this season. Without a doubt their ultimate fate is largely tied to the health of Curry and Klay as they are their two primary offensive threats and none of the young guys seem capable of replacing that. That said what their two rookies are showing has been impressive and they've considerable upside IMO with Wiggins struggling and Draymond and GP2 out.

STOMP

True. I'm glad we have their pick. That was a good move.

 

[wizenheimer]

in case anyone needs a full accounting of the Blazers trade(s) this summer with Jrue Holiday's return added in:

Blazers traded:

• Damian Lillard
• Jusuf Nurkic
• Nassir Little
• Keon Johnson
+ • Jrue Holiday

For:

• DeAndre Ayton
• Toumani Camara
• Robert Williams III
• Malcolm Brogdon
• Blazers option to swap 2028 first round picks with Bucks (from Bucks) (?-?)**
• 2029 first round pick (from Bucks) (?-?)
• Blazers option to swap 2030 first round picks with Bucks (from Bucks) (?-?)**
• 2024 first round pick (Warriors pick protected top 4 in 2024, top 1 in 2025, unprotected in 2026) (?-?)
• 2029 first round pick (from Boston) (?-?)

personally, I think it was a kind of mediocre return compared to other recent major trades. The return would get a little better if the Warriors pick was later in the lottery; and worse if it was in the 17-21 range. If Portland trades Brogdon, then that's probably adding some assets, although I don't expect any guaranteed 1st round pick

and yeah, some of those future picks and swaps might end up valuable but they are 5-7 years away

 

[STOMP]

True. I'm glad we have their pick. That was a good move.

The W's are probably the team with the widest spread between their floor and ceiling this season. From the digging I've done on the prospects from the next draft, I'm unfortunately unimpressed with the potential of their pick whether it ends up on either end. Hopefully the W's fall flat and the individual prospects exponentially improve, but again at this point I'm a meh...

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

oh no, looks like I've stepped in it and I have to offer an appology. You've a well established reputation for being delightfully untethered to reality and we all appreciate the unfiltered hot takes in thread after thread after thread after thread after thread, so it was my bad for being confused over who was posting factual nonsense. Given context, you are completely correct that Golden State didn't just beat the team with the best record in the league. The surge they've had of late which coresponds with Klay rounding into form is only relevant if you say it is. Furthermore, the Warriors didn't win an NBA championship with largely this same roster just a year and a half ago because as you stated they are a bad team. I am such a giant butthole, so sorry, the flailing personal attack was totally justified. Merry Christmas!

STOMP

I posted facts. Go debate that you cantankerous grump.

I'll make sure to post a few more things in the Duck thread to annoy and piss you off.

 

[STOMP]

yeah clearly from your tirade I'm the one who is pissed off

you're like our own special Skip Bayless wannabe... a wealth of ADD misinformation across every conversation

STOMP

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The W's are probably the team with the widest spread between their floor and ceiling this season. From the digging I've done on the prospects from the next draft, I'm unfortunately unimpressed with the potential of their pick whether it ends up on either end. Hopefully the W's fall flat and the individual prospects exponentially improve, but again at this point I'm a meh...

STOMP

This draft may be similar to 2013. No obvious star but plenty of prospects that could turn into something. A mid first round pick could be nice.

 

[STOMP]

This draft may be similar to 2013. No obvious star but plenty of prospects that could turn into something. A mid first round pick could be nice.

definely could be, but almost certainly should be looked at as a long term project

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

yeah clearly from your tirade I'm the one who is pissed off

you're like our own special Skip Bayless wannabe... a wealth of ADD misinformation across every conversation

STOMP

Post some examples. Or shut up.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

This draft may be similar to 2013. No obvious star but plenty of prospects that could turn into something. A mid first round pick could be nice.

Yep. Good comparison.... but you can't count on a Gainis happening again.


Only about 20 players who will make it to rotation players on second contracts.

Of those 20, only about 10 are starter quality (5 are higher end starters). If everything breaks right, then you could get 1 or 2 all star level talents.

 

[blazerfan11]

Playing the Heat in San Francisco, the Warriors kept their deficit to less than 10 until halfway through the 3rd quarter. Then never got back into the game.
Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, and Josh Richardson did not play for Miami.

 

[Samuel]

Warriors record continues to be trash against serviceable teams.

 

[robson]

2024 first round pick (Warriors pick protected top 4 in 2024, top 1 in 2025, unprotected in 2026)

So, if we don't like 2024 pick, we can wait another year, right?
Also, can we trade this pick with other team?

 

[SwissBlazer]

2024 first round pick (Warriors pick protected top 4 in 2024, top 1 in 2025, unprotected in 2026)

So, if we don't like 2024 pick, we can wait another year, right?
Also, can we trade this pick with other team?

No we can't wait another year.
Yes we can trade this pick.

 

[robson]

No we can't wait another year.
Yes we can trade this pick.

Tnx, but I don't get it. Do we have to take 2024 pick?

 

[SwissBlazer]

If 1-4, no. If 5 to 30, yes.

 

[STOMP]

Tnx, but I don't get it. Do we have to take 2024 pick?

Unless it falls within the top 4 selections, the rights to the Warrior's 2024 1st round pick is owned by Portland. The Blazers can use it or trade it, the same goes for their own pick(s)

STOMP

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Started Davis, Kuminga, Paul, Klay, and Curry tonight. Was favored by Vegas too. Down by nine at the half. Even more at the end of the third.

They tied up a lot of future picks from being dealt outright with this pick and the Washington deal. Could do swaps and might be ready to make a deal.