Good period, followed by bad period.

[chuckd3534]

Stepan has 13 points in 13 games...what are you talking about? Granted the last two games he hasn't played his best, but 13 points in 13 games speaks for itself IMO.

Kreider and Zucc are the guys who clearly need to step it up the most IMO. They should be the main focus I think. And honestly, Boyle hasn't been that great either. Now I give him a little pass because he was hurt for weeks, then got sick, and maybe just now is starting to get fully healthy, but he needs to do more as well.

 

[chuckd3534]

I won't argue with you on Staal, you know I don't want him here long term no way in h*ll for 6 mill per, but I am also not going to get angry and focus on their O when that is not their game. Staal has ZERO offensive game these days...ZERO, is what it is. Again why would I re-sign that guy for 6 mill per?

 

[Stepupstepan]

Zucc is really playing with fire right now. He wont be brought back at this rate unless he turns it around soon. Thats too bad as I've been a big zucc supporter. And Kreider needs a benching in the worst way.

 

[chuckd3534]

I said it before the game tonight, this 6 game stretch that started tonight, will go a long way in deciding what type of team we are. 5 on the road, and a Western Canada trip. Not easy. Bad start tonight. Pitt game very big I think before trip.

 

[Ranger71]

I don't know, for what he makes Girardi is just awful in the offensive zone. Klein for 3m has twice the sense with the puck.

 

[Messiah717]

Kreider comes with huge expectations to have a big season and be one of the top goal scorers on this team. His play this year has been disgraceful.

 

[Ranger71]

Sorry i just had to vent, that one really pissed me off. And 13pts lost with blown leads isn't good.

 

[chuckd3534]

You don't like Girardi, you never have and you never will, and that is fine...to each their own. But he is a very solid dman, who plays major minutes against the other teams top players (25 mpg), and usually gets the job done. In the NHL today he is worth 5.5 mill per easily...not even a 1% doubt about it.

I just don't see why we would want to re-sign Staal for 6 mill per. That one would puzzle me.

 

[Ranger71]

He's a good guy but i just don't see him being worth that much. Maybe 3y ago but i see his play starting to decline now. Girardi that is.

 

[Stepupstepan]

they wont resign Staal for that kind of money. Why do you still think they will?

 

[chuckd3534]

Kreider comes with huge expectations to have a big season and be one of the top goal scorers on this team. His play this year has been disgraceful.

Exactly. This is the guy who should get the focus. 4 goals in 24 games. Awful.

Zucc 4 goals and 10 points in 23 games. Awful.

We needed 25 +, if not 30 + from Kreider. And 17-20 from Zucc, and more importantly 50 + points, and he is on pace for 35.

 

[chuckd3534]

He's a good guy but i just don't see him being worth that much. Maybe 3y ago but i see his play starting to decline now. Girardi that is.

Like I said, you are not a fan and that is cool. He is clearly worth that much, not even worth a discussion really, but you aren't a fan, so be it.

 

[chuckd3534]

they wont resign Staal for that kind of money. Why do you still think they will?

I don't know what they will do. I wouldn't give Staal 5 mill per, let alone close to 6 mill per, but that is me.

 

[Messiah717]

Girardi is signed so why the fuck do we keep talking him him? The question is Staal and I wouldn't bring him back either. Depending on where this team is at the deadline he's a guy I would trade.

 

[Ranger71]

Zuccarello and Kreider are both dragging the offense down for sure.

 

[chuckd3534]

Girardi is signed so why the fuck do we keep talking him him? The question is Staal and I wouldn't bring him back either. Depending on where this team is at the deadline he's a guy I would trade.

I am with you on Staal...and we talk about Girardi because he is the sc's most hated player on the team...LOL.

 

[Stepupstepan]

I dont know why sather has not made a call to carolina to get sekera for staal.

 

[Ranger71]

Girardi is signed so why the fuck do we keep talking him him? The question is Staal and
I wouldn't bring him back either. Depending on where this team is at the deadline he's a guy I would trade.

LOL..that was funny Mess. But seriously that contract is going to be a problem sooner than later, there's no sweeping aside.

 

[chuckd3534]

LOL..that was funny Mess. But seriously that contract is going to be a problem sooner than later, there's no sweeping aside.

You are awesome with Girardi...like a dog with a bone...irrational as the guy gets it done and plays 25 mpg...but a dog with a bone...I will give you that much man.

 

[Ranger71]

You are awesome with Girardi...like a dog with a bone...irrational as the guy gets it
done and plays 25 mpg...but a dog with a bone...I will give you that much man.

I just don't get how we see him as a 5.5m player that's all. He's almost cringeworthy in the o-zone.

 

[chuckd3534]

The issue I think is you are just off on how you value players in the NHL, sports in general really, these days. As a UFA Girardi would get 5.5 no doubt man.

Brooks Orpik...3 years older than Girardi...got 5.5 per for just as long as Girardi (maybe 1 less year). Girardi is much better than Orpik. Girardi is 3 years younger than Orpik. Yet somehow Orpik got the same amount per for 5 years.

Enough said bro.

I am just not sure you fully understand how it works when players become UFA's or are in their walk year...they get paid big...that is sports. And when you are just 30 like Girardi was, you get real big money as a UFA. He could have gotten 6 easy if he went to the open market. The Orpik deal proves that for sure.

 

[chuckd3534]

And BTW...while I don't love Staal and no way would I re-sign him, that is also why he will get 6 per if he wants it. And he is only 27...he gets that for sure if he wants to play for the most money.

Cally got a 5.8 mill cap hit...he was a UFA...how it works.

 

[Ranger71]

I guess players get paid right at the peak of things. Just watching him you truly think he looks 5.5 worth?

 

[chuckd3534]

100 % yes. I base it on how I know things work in sports, and Girardi gets more than that as a UFA. It is also another reason I let Staal walk, I don't need Girardi at 5.5 AND Staal at 5.8 or 6. I wanted to keep one, and I think we kept the better one Girardi...and for less than Staal will sign for I think.

Would you pay Brooks Orpik, 3 years older than Girardi, 5.5 per? You would say no...but guess what the Caps said yes. Other teams would have as well. Younger and better Girardi would have gotten more if he went to the open market. How it works man.

 

[Stepupstepan]

We are stuck with girardi. He is what he is. Bigger question is who are we replacing Staal with?

 

[chuckd3534]

And one last comment, I know the last two years for Girardi will be declined play and not worth 5.5 per, but again that is how sports work. I expect him to be like a # 4 dman at that point. Is what it is...sports man.

 

[panzerporter]

CK has been disappointing but this could be considered a sophomore slump as it is only his second full season and he is 5th on the team in scoring. Personally I'd put him on the same line as Hayes to see if the college connection could be reestablished. The same could be said for Zuccarello as this is also his second full season but he'll be hard pressed to even approach last year's numbers. I don't think you could justify resigning him at this point with some of the younger upcoming talent. While CK and Zucc are rightfully criticized I'm puzzled as to why Hagelin escapes the same wrath. This is his 4th full season and he's been just as brutal which is unacceptable for a one dimensional speedster also in a contract year. I see Carl taking too many shifts off coasting as he has in previous years which is a shame because his speed can be a difference maker and is his only asset.

No surprise that the two quick second period Redwing goals capitalized on the little fella that can't Matt Hunwick's inability to knock a player off the puck. Speed is irrelevant if an opponent can skate right through you. Allen or McIlrath would be a huge upgrade to the 3rd defensive unit, Hunwick is what he is, a fill-in stopgap when the injury bug bites.

I don't get the hate toward Girardi, he's missed 3 games in the past 7 seasons, even played last postseason with a broken finger and is the only dman that takes the body. I have no idea why AV played Talbot tonight after 5 days off but Hank could have handled both games especially with another long layoff. Still early and a few games in hand but 10th place in the Eastern is making this upcoming road trip important, can't keep digging deeper have to start digging out.