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Google sounds racist, and sexist.
 
Minstrel said:
That's true of any given human but minorities and women have an added layer of threat to deal with. So yes, even given that it can be extremely hurtful regardless of skin color or gender, I still certainly believe it's much more damaging when it's done to groups of people at risk for being marginalized.
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See that's the problem, and what I take offense to.
What gives you, myself or anyone else the right to determine the damage done by mocking, stereotyping, etc?

I understand what you're saying, but because you're not saying it well. It certainly sounds like you're minimizing others. Which frankly is offensive.
 
honkicracker said:
See that's the problem, and what I take offense to.
What gives you, myself or anyone else the right to determine the damage done by mocking, stereotyping, etc?

I understand what you're saying, but because you're not saying it well. It certainly sounds like you're minimizing others. Which frankly is offensive.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm stating it fine. Every individual has the capacity to be hurt personally by mockery or stereotypes but some groups of people, based on their history and level of power in the society, have the capacity to also be hurt on a societal level. That added layer of risk or danger makes stereotyping or prejudice towards them significantly more problematic.

What gives me the right to make that determination? The same right anyone else has to observe the world and form opinions. I'm always willing to change my viewpoints if I run across compelling evidence or arguments, but the idea that different individuals can be hurt differently on a personal level by abuse isn't something I hadn't already considered.
 
SlyPokerDog is ashamed to be a man.
 
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Minstrel said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm stating it fine. Every individual has the capacity to be hurt personally by mockery or stereotypes but some groups of people, based on their history and level of power in the society, have the capacity to also be hurt on a societal level. That added layer of risk or danger makes stereotyping or prejudice towards them significantly more problematic.

What gives me the right to make that determination? The same right anyone else has to observe the world and form opinions. I'm always willing to change my viewpoints if I run across compelling evidence or arguments, but the idea that different individuals can be hurt differently on a personal level by abuse isn't something I hadn't already considered.
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Everyone has the capacity to be hurt on a societal level. As society is also social interaction. Mocking someone or stereotyping someone can effect white, black, brown, yellow, green people the same. Just because one could also be effected with jail time(poor example simply because you can be jailed in your own mind with mocking or stereotyping) more than another doesn't mean it's more problematic.

No one has the right to make a determination on how mocking or stereotyping effects another person. Not even psychologists would make that determination. They'd listen and observe. Not assume. As there is no one fix for all.

Sorry but you're wrong, and it's offensive.
 
honkicracker said:
Everyone has the capacity to be hurt on a societal level. As society is also social interaction. Mocking someone or stereotyping someone can effect white, black, brown, yellow, green people the same. Just because one could also be effected with jail time(poor example simply because you can be jailed in your own mind with mocking or stereotyping) more than another doesn't mean it's more problematic.

No one has the right to make a determination on how mocking or stereotyping effects another person. Not even psychologists would make that determination. They'd listen and observe. Not assume. As there is no one fix for all.

Sorry but you're wrong, and it's offensive.
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"you're wrong, and it's offensive"

do some of you read what you type sometimes? hey man I am right and you are just wrong. What are you two even going on about? you are making the subject way more complex than it needs to be
 
Minstrel said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm stating it fine. Every individual has the capacity to be hurt personally by mockery or stereotypes but some groups of people, based on their history and level of power in the society, have the capacity to also be hurt on a societal level. That added layer of risk or danger makes stereotyping or prejudice towards them significantly more problematic.

What gives me the right to make that determination? The same right anyone else has to observe the world and form opinions. I'm always willing to change my viewpoints if I run across compelling evidence or arguments, but the idea that different individuals can be hurt differently on a personal level by abuse isn't something I hadn't already considered.
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I think you're naive if you think that in situations where females are in the power positions, men can't be hurt on a societal level by stereotyping. And I say this based not on speculation, but from personal experience with female supervisors at my prior company who demonstrated a pretty clear pro-female preference (a perception that was noted for me by other females in the department, as well as by me) which impacted my position, reviews and salary multiple times. Sure it's less likely, and likely less severe than what minorities experience, but it does occur, and to claim that I don't run that risk is patently false.
 
Cippy91 said:
SlyPokerDog is ashamed to be a man.
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Not sure what you mean. Saying that I generally have it easier as a man than a woman in my exact same situation would somehow makes me a liberal or something? I think you misread me.

BTW, my reference to "the wage gap" is based on the raw numbers, which are valid. However, I (like you) understand that there are many factors that lead to those raw numbers (many of which are addressed in the Googler's memo), and that very little if any of the gap is actually due to any form of discrimination.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
I think you're naive if you think that in situations where females are in the power positions, men can't be hurt on a societal level by stereotyping. And I say this based not on speculation, but from personal experience with female supervisors at my prior company who demonstrated a pretty clear pro-female preference (a perception that was noted for me by other females in the department, as well as by me) which impacted my position, reviews and salary multiple times. Sure it's less likely, and likely less severe than what minorities experience, but it does occur, and to claim that I don't run that risk is patently false.
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But you're talking about an individual effect, not a societal effect. You're not at risk of white males being marginalized in society or in your field (except, perhaps, in very very rare exceptions when it comes to field). Women individually face all the risks that you do, plus they face the risk of stereotypes and prejudice reducing opportunities for all women, across essentially all levels of society. Men don't face that risk. That was my point and why I think stereotypes and prejudices are significantly more damaging when aimed at the minority (and women) as opposed to the majority.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not sure what you mean. Saying that I generally have it easier as a man than a woman in my exact same situation would somehow makes me a liberal or something? I think you misread me.

BTW, my reference to "the wage gap" is based on the raw numbers, which are valid. However, I (like you) understand that there are many factors that lead to those raw numbers (many of which are addressed in the Googler's memo), and that very little if any of the gap is actually due to any form of discrimination.
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No I am not saying you are a liberal but come on be better than that. Saying you have it better than women? you are just shorting yourself believing this. Women hold a lot of power these days. I am just saying the wage gap is a myth people love to push and it's dangerous to repeat as if it's truth. Men work higher paying jobs, it's simple. People however, run around and say it's because everybody is sexist and it's a bunch of bullshit. It implies men and women are working the same job and earning different amounts. It's not true. If a man and a woman started the same job at mcdonalds right now, they earn the same thing.
 
I think it was extremely wrong this guy was fired by the way. He worded what he said really well and was factually correct on a lot of what he said. However in this day and age if you aren't full on board the progressive bullshit train, then you're fired. You're out. Dangerous times in America
 
honkicracker said:
Sorry but you're wrong, and it's offensive.
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Yes, I know you think I'm wrong. That's why I suggested earlier that we agree to disagree, because I don't think I'm wrong and neither of us is convincing the other. Continuing to restate our positions isn't going to change anything.
 
Cippy91 said:
Saying you have it better than women? you are just shorting yourself believing this.
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Not better. Easier. But I'm not going to try to convince you of this. It's simply how I see it.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes, I know you think I'm wrong. That's why I suggested earlier that we agree to disagree, because I don't think I'm wrong and neither of us is convincing the other. Continuing to restate our positions isn't going to change anything.
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You're owned this thread as far as I can tell.

Everyone wants people fired for everything now.

My wife has about 100 employees, she has a long standing reputation of being extremely fair. Why? Because before she fires someone she tells me what they did. First thing I ask is if this employee is generally on her good side or bad. If bad I ask her if she'd fire one of her favorites for the same thing.

If she says no I tell her she has to be fair.

You might or might not be surprised at some of the discrimination that went on at her former employer. Some managers wouldn't promote gay guys, some wouldn't let more than two black girls work in a store at the same time.

My wife is as close to a merit based employer as I think you'll find.

It's quite amazing really, all of you think I'm probably as racist as they come but the wife and I do what we think is fair.

We say "life ain't fair but we'll do our best"

I really do like people winning on merit. That's why I hate sports with judges.
 
dviss1 said:
That fool has no training, schooling, etc and I'm not sure there is any available to make a statement like that. On average women are more neurotic? GTFO...
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That kid probably has more degrees than you have IQ points.

He most likely wanted to get fired for the memo. He realized he wasn't going to advance his career in a racist/sexist company like google, that overtly discriminates against white men.

Probably while he was sitting in a mandatory google class, learning how to stop mansplaining. While females, and humans with more pigment than him, we're attending classes and training that would further their careeer with google.

I'm sure he knew he wasn't going to convince a bunch of racist/sexist fucks, that disqualifying someone for a job because of their skin color, or sex, is wrong.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes, I know you think I'm wrong. That's why I suggested earlier that we agree to disagree, because I don't think I'm wrong and neither of us is convincing the other. Continuing to restate our positions isn't going to change anything.
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I bet 90% of the males on this board were effected by a mental health issue they developed by their parents.
I for one know all of my male friends and I were told one specific thing by their parents that at times is still a challenge to overcome.

I guess all I can say is, I hope you nor anyone you're associated with ever has to deal with mental health issues created by mocking or stereotyping.
The mental health issues that can force someone to quit the job they love. Or not apply for a job their qualified for simply due to the prison which can be created by being mocked or stereotyped.

Cippy91 said:
"you're wrong, and it's offensive"

do some of you read what you type sometimes? hey man I am right and you are just wrong. What are you two even going on about? you are making the subject way more complex than it needs to be
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literacy
 
honkicracker said:
I bet 90% of the males on this board were effected by a mental health issue they developed by their parents.
I for one know all of my male friends and I were told one specific thing by their parents that at times is still a challenge to overcome.

I guess all I can say is, I hope you nor anyone you're associated with ever has to deal with mental health issues created by mocking or stereotyping.
The mental health issues that can force someone to quit the job they love. Or not apply for a job their qualified for simply due to the prison which can be created by being mocked or stereotyped.



literacy
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Which thing was it my parents told me that made me crazy?

Don't hit girls?
You'll go blind if you do that?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me?
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom?
 
honkicracker said:
I bet 90% of the males on this board were effected by a mental health issue they developed by their parents.
I for one know all of my male friends and I were told one specific thing by their parents that at times is still a challenge to overcome.

I guess all I can say is, I hope you nor anyone you're associated with ever has to deal with mental health issues created by mocking or stereotyping.
The mental health issues that can force someone to quit the job they love. Or not apply for a job their qualified for simply due to the prison which can be created by being mocked or stereotyped.



literacy
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Oh and if I have a mental health issue from my parents it must really be from Adam and Eve because they would have got it from their parents first and so on.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Which thing was it my parents told me that made me crazy?

Don't hit girls?
You'll go blind if you do that?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me?
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom?
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More like" go to church on Sunday."
 
This just confirms to me that Google was everything I ever thought it was. I'm embarrassed that this is an American company.

Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
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The guy should get a Nobel Prize just for that quote alone.

How any objective, rational person can work in the Silicon Valley with these companies is beyond me.

Just remember that companies like Google are infested with these worthless, grossly overpaid clowns:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rest...gineers-who-barely-work-silicon-valley-2017-7
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Which thing was it my parents told me that made me crazy?

Don't hit girls?
You'll go blind if you do that?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me?
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom?
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First off don't put words in my mouth.
Having mental health issues doesn't mean you're crazy.
But with someone who posts like you do... I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference.

You mean like when you insinuated all men are inherently violent therefore you justify your spousal abuse.
Guess that don't hit girls didn't really stick with you huh. Fake tough guy posts.
 
Denny Crane said:
More like" go to church on Sunday."
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I've spent the last several minutes attempting to put it to words.
Yet I'm unable, possibly has to do with me being unwilling/unable to get past the stigma I see it as.
As I said I still struggle with it, and at times see it as a sign of weakness.
 
honkicracker said:
I've spent the last several minutes attempting to put it to words.
Yet I'm unable, possibly has to do with me being unwilling/unable to get past the stigma I see it as.
As I said I still struggle with it, and at times see it as a sign of weakness.
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So you're crazy?
 
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