GOP Insiders: The Paul Ryan pick is a complete disaster

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I don't think it's relevant at all. What I'm seeing is Republicans are even more energized than Democrats because of the pick, and were beforehand. The 36%/29%/30% numbers might actually favor Romney because the 36% vs. 29% is a significant swing from party registration figures.

Yes.... keep telling yourself that. Don't bother to notice that Rasmussen has a pretty big Republican lean.

Most of all, don't even mention the other poll that was released that shows Ryan with lower favorables than any VP candidate except Palin and Quayle.

If history repeats itself, independents may well bolt Obama at the end, like they did Carter.

Plus, I do feel the debates and conventions will have a much bigger impact than in recent elections. With the ads being all negative, the debates are going to be Romney's chance to raise the economy as an issue, right to Obama's face and in front of a huge TV audience. I do think that Cheney helped Bush win in 2000 with his debate performance, and the VP debate this time will feature a bright young guy vs. a really old gaffe machine.

Like Quayle and Bentsen! "Congressman, I knew Jack Kemp. I served with Jack Kemp. You're no Jack Kemp."

In the debates, the personal attacks are easily deflected ("there you go again" and Gore's sighing and crowding Bush), while the "are you better off now than 4 years ago" question hits home.

I think it's really easy to make the case we've seen almost 4 years of failed policies and easy to defend the retort that Romney's plan is going back to Bush policies. Romney isn't Bush, his economic plans are not Bush's, and we haven't seen what he can do as president. It's all scare tactics and trivial to point out they are.


Obama would be bucking the odds on many fronts.

The unemployment rate is higher than for any president reelected in recent times.

Few Democrats actually win reelection - since 1900, only Clinton, FDR, and Woodrow Wilson were reelected and two of those (Wilson & Clinton) won both times with less than 50% of the popular vote. Oddly, since some people claim people vote against their own interests, all republican presidents since 1950 have been reelected, except for GHW Bush (Ike, Nixon, Reagan, W).

Obama's signature achievement is an unpopular health care plan. Not only did the people revolt against this kind of agenda by electing republicans to control the house and a huge swing in the senate, too, but they similarly punished Clinton in 1994 for an equally unpopular (but failed) program.

Obama is not polling above 50% in the national polls. This is not good news for any incumbent.

Democrats just aren't as enthusiastic this time around about voting, at all, as republicans. The opinion polls don't matter if your side stays home.

The opinion polls don't matter period. But if you are going to cite them, you shouldn't cherry pick.

You are kidding yourself in a major way, Denny. Dennyial is not just a word I made up just now.

barfo
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura...ryan_b_1768728.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

With many Republicans excited about Paul Ryan's being selected as Mitt Romney's running mate, there is one Republican who is less than enthusiastic: Dr. Ron Paul.

Ron Paul's budget plan would balance the budget in three years and lower taxes.

In an interview Mid-March 2012, 2012 on Fox News, Dr. Ron Paul called Ryan's a timid plan that adds to warmongering and money the U.S. spends overseas and cuts social programs, like Medicare. He doesn't like that the Ryan plan might balance the budget in 30 years. Dr. Paul wants to cut overseas spending by first stopping "militarism" (policing the world), which he differentiates from national defense spending.
 
Yes.... keep telling yourself that. Don't bother to notice that Rasmussen has a pretty big Republican lean.

Most of all, don't even mention the other poll that was released that shows Ryan with lower favorables than any VP candidate except Palin and Quayle.



Like Quayle and Bentsen! "Congressman, I knew Jack Kemp. I served with Jack Kemp. You're no Jack Kemp."



The opinion polls don't matter period. But if you are going to cite them, you shouldn't cherry pick.

You are kidding yourself in a major way, Denny. Dennyial is not just a word I made up just now.

barfo

The opinion polls are the current scorecards of the race. It's the best we can do, but reading them isn't as simple as X% vs. Y%, and you know it. Speak of denial some more.

There are several polls that were done with some people polled before the VP choice. Let's see what they are in a week.

Ryan is young and not from one of the large states. He just isn't well known. He is known by people inside the beltway and their opinions are that he's a good guy. We'll see whether Obama can spend enough to drag down his favorable polling numbers, but we also won't see him flub a debate or a gotcha type interview. In no way, shape, or form, does he have a reputation as one who makes gaffes.

We'll see.

I'm closer to Ron Paul's views. I'd slash the military along with a lot of the rest of govt. expenses.

But Paul's plan is a lot better than no budgets, higher spending expectations, and a constant demand by govt. to tax more.
 
Alright, you all have fun. If you think Romney and Paul Ryan are great guys and all of my words are worthless, I don't have the ability to change your mind. Good luck and may you enjoy your old age.

ya know, I never see this kind of thinking from people that HAVE businesses..
 
So when Obama gets re-elected are the neo-con's going to blame it on Ryan?

Deja vu.

Lets not blame it on the weak Presedential candidate, lets blame it on the potential VP.
 
I think Stevenson's post (as well as the other lefty sheep here) typify the new left in America- "attack & lie".

Excuse me? All I did was post a Politco column about the Ryan pick, neither justifying your ad hominem attack, nor your baseless accusation.
 
So when Obama gets re-elected are the neo-con's going to blame it on Ryan?

Deja vu.

Lets not blame it on the weak Presedential candidate, lets blame it on the potential VP.

SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother.
 
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hehehe Oh you! Is it a lie that Paul Ryan wants to gut social security? Is it a lie that he directly benefited from Social Security when his father died and Ryan was 16? is it a lie that Ryan wants to make it illegal for the killing of any fertilized egg, thus making In vitro fertilization basically illegal? Is it a lie that Paul Ryan wants to cut pell grants?

A whole bunch of lies here. Ryan is trying to save an insolvent system that is going to run out of money. Even the Dems agree with that fact.

It would be nice to debate the issues, as opposed to saying Romney kills people, and Ryan is going to "gut" SS..
 
A whole bunch of lies here. Ryan is trying to save an insolvent system that is going to run out of money. Even the Dems agree with that fact.

It would be nice to debate the issues, as opposed to saying Romney kills people, and Ryan is going to "gut" SS..

I had my safety net wrong. It's Medicare, not SS. Anyway, yes it is troublesome when people talk in hyperbole, but I don't recall saying Romney kills people. I believe that was a superpac.
 
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SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother. Grammar matters.

SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother. f read correctly, the same message comes across in my previous post.
 
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SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother.

SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother.

You might be able to hire a Mexican to do that for minimum wage, but I'm in a Union and make much more, plus full bennies, paid vacations, 401K, etc.....
 
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Please guys, feel free to debate and argue all you want but the personal insults need to stop.

Thanks!

Love, Sly
 
SlyPokerDog, yadda yadda yadda, insult, yadda, yadda, his mother.

You might be able to hire a Mexican to do that for minimum wage, but I'm in a Union and make much more, plus full bennies, paid vacations, 401K, etc.....

Balla!
 
Not sure why Blazerboy had to make this thread about me, though...
 

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