Gorton and JD starting to be a disappointment

[kreidertime]

While I loved the direction they went in drafting this year. They have failed miserably evaluating the roster and coach. This coach is awful. In fact, I would say he's only slightly better than Renney who was an embarrassment. Gorton and JD are not selling high on players that aren't winning players. He could have traded DeAngelo in the off-season when they drafted Schneider. I don't believe for a second they didn't get offers. They have multiple teams going after the dickhead now. Buchnevich as I said last year is a non winning player. He's easily the dumbest decision maker on the team and absolutely one of the dumbest 10 players in the league.

A team who spent the 1st and 2nd over picks on wings, the 9th pick on a wing and traded for a wing that was the 26th overall pick, does not need this dumbass Buchnevich on this team. Other teams who have little talent on wing will take him. JD and Gorton better get their head out of their ass and trade this fucking idiot now. Along with firing the coach. Bring up the Pack coach who actually knows what he's doing.

For the first time in forever I actually agree with Brooks today as he was mocking Buchnevich's stupidity and incompetence. Will that sissy Howden ever throw a body check? Me thinks not. He needs to get traded as well.

 

[NYR Fan]

There it is, now getting on Gorton and JD. Business as usual for you. Everyone sucks and everyone should be fired. So predictable and sad.

Buch has developed under him, Chytil has developed under him, Lindgren has developed under him, Fox has developed under him, Miller has been in the top 4 since game 1 under him, Lafreniere or Kakko have been in the top 6 since game 1 under him.

That's reality.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Gorton and JD have infinitely more hockey knowledge than dump. Could you imagine him trying to negotiate in any situation with his logic??

Buchnevich as I said last year is a non winning player. He's easily the dumbest decision maker on the team and absolutely one of the dumbest 10 players in the league.

Other teams who have little talent on wing will take him. JD and Gorton better get their head out of their ass and trade this fucking idiot now.

Attenion all NHL GMS!!! We have what we believe is a loser, poor decision making winger who we believe to be one the 10 dumbest players in the league available for trade. Best and final offer by 5pm today!
It is laughable how idiotic some people can be. Such simple-mindedness is perfect for online message boards, not so much for NHL front offices.

Side note...if you want to get on Buch for not shooting the puck on the 2 on 1 I am in full agreement....shoot the fucking puck. But the more egregious error on that play was Zibanejad for not staying closer to Marchand. Zib was well out of the play and with Marchand trailing far behind if he stays within 10 feet of him he likely doesn't get the breakaway.

 

[mrmel29]

As a baseball analogy where sometimes hitters in a slump gets taken out in the field and the D suffers Z man may be letting his offensive frustrations affect his concentration on other aspects of the game. Your right gravy z man will usually make that defensive play by memory but right now he is in a cloud. Could have won this game easily last night despite Boston being the better team. Hopefully with Igor back tmo we can take the 2nd one. Eventually, this offense will break out and score 10 goals against someone with the skill players here. Right now I’d settle for a PP goal or 2!

 

[NYR2009]

Okay, Chuck. You keep on saying that Fox and Lingren developed under Quinn. They did not! Fox was excellent from the beginning. He is a highly talented offensive defenseman who was our best D last year. He impressed on day 1. Why does Quinn get the credit? Lingren was the only defenseman who actually took the body and has guts given his small size. Also, Lingren was benched at the beginning. Your Quinn played Smtih for 40 games the previous year before Lingern had a chance to come up.

Chytil is not all that great. I am not sure why you think he is so good. Maybe he would have been even better if he played with veterans and not career AHL players since he came up. Maybe if he played with Panarin, he would develop into 2C.

Miller is our best defenseman by far and he did not develop under Quinn at all. I don't think it is hard to see his talent. Why would anyone give Quinn credit for that? He is a top 2 defenseman on any team.

Kakko has played on the top 6 handful of games in the past two years. What are you talking about? And by now Kakko is way better than Buch. I agree, last year he was still learning but this year there are noticeable differences and the talent is remarkable.

LFA is playing with Howden. I don't want to curse but Howden. LFA played with Zib only 3 games I think in total. So he played 70% of all games at the bottom six and Kakko played probably 90% of his games on the bottom six.

Dump is spot on when it comes to wings. We have 7 wings (Kreider, Panarin, LFA, Buch, Kakko, Kravtsov, Gauthier) who should be in the top 6 given their talent and where they were drafted. Why is dump wrong? Trade some of them for a much-needed center, or centers. Out of these 7, Kravtsov and Buch can be used in a trade for a center. Gauthier just doesn't have much value right now.

I agree with you on Buch. Quinn did develop Buch, but that is about it.

 

[NYR Fan]

Same old stuff - these good young guys didn't develop under Quinn, they were good already. The guys who haven't developed ASAP are on Quinn though. And Quinn now controls who Gorton calls up. And Howden is on the 3rd line due to injuries. When healthy, Kakko and Chytil formed a very good and growing duo the first handful of games. Chytil 3 points in 5 games, and was a + 3.

And Kakko/Lafreniere are both averaging 14 MPG, tied for 6th most at forward. I'm sure that's not good enough though.

And BTW, Andersson has 1 goal in 9 games with the Kings. Also is a - 5 (2nd worst on the team). And is only playing 11 MPG. So he has done nothing in LA. Sure that is on Quinn as well.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

No one said that dump was wrong...though to be honest, I don't recall him ever talking about top 6/7 wingers....In fact several of use have been talking about the top 4 wingers and having to pick the 5th winger to go on the 3rd line.

 

[NYR2009]

Yeah, I have said it many times that Kreider should come down to a 3rd line. Kakko should be on the 2nd line and LFA has to be on the 1st with Z. You can play with Buch on 1st or 3rd by giving a chance to Gauthier on 1st to see if he is talented enough for the top 6. I don't have a problem with Gauthier on 3rd and occasional opportunities on the 1st for development purposes. If Gauthier disappoints, then fine, but give him a chance with talented linemates. And Kakko should replace Buch on the 1st PP unit.

And ultimately trade Buch as the main piece for a center. He is just an odd man out. We got 1st pick (LFA) and 2nd pick (Kakko) being both wingers, Panarin plus 1 more (Buch, Kravtsov, Gauthier, and Kreider). At least two have to be ruled out of the top 6. Kreider ends up on the 3rd line being the odd man out on the left since he is LW (giving way to more talented Panarin and LFA), then only 1 can stay out of (Buch, Kravtsov, or Gauthier) since those 3 are all RW. If Kravtsov and Gauthier are busts then keep Buch by all means, but you have to explore with those guys, not burry them at the bottom 6. I understand Kravtsov is in Russia now, which is a good thing, keep him away from Quinn, but when Kravstov is here, you cannot play him on the 4th line with Howden.

About Andersen, who knows, maybe it is on Quinn. Look at Graves in Colorado. AV totally messed up that one. How did we let that one go?

 

[panzerporter]

I thought the game was pretty closely played, at times the Rangers forecheck was smothering, problem is when they force a turnover first instinct is to pass instead of throwing the puck at the net. Fox is turning into a superstar before our eye and yet another young dman in Hajek is getting development time. LadyK and Mika still sleeping, both -5 stinking it up. Gonna be tough to justify resigning Mika if he keeps coasting.

 

[panzerporter]

Howden is only 22, decent size and a UFA, only guy over 50% on draws but alas his fate has been determined by the board's accentuate the negative armchair GMs, an elite squad of hockey analysts who only need a handful of games to determine a prospect's future. They can also determine things like whether Quinn playing Fox 25 minutes a game from the get go had anything to do with his rapid development. .Too funny that LadyK and Mike 5G/3A coast through the season unscathed while guys making an effort every night like Buch have to go. I don't think Lias will have a problem sticking around, he just wasn't anything remotely close to a #1.

 

[Ranger71]

Lias will be a minor leaguer for most of his career i think. Is Reunanen up yet?

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Lias will stick around because the Kings aren't a team that is close to contending for a cup. However, if he doesn't begin producing I suspect he will be moved in a trade or sent to the minors/back to Europe.
Graves is not having a good start to the season. 0g 1A -5. He was fantastic last year so I think more likely than not that he will continue to develop and be a strong D-man for the Avs.

 

[Ranger71]

His dad works as a scout for the Kings so they'll probably keep him around for a few years as a favor to his father but i have a hard time seeing him as a productive NHL player.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Any word on Panarin's injury yet?

 

[kreidertime]

Who cares. He's not here any longer. As I posted in my AHL thread. IMO, JD and Gorton fired the first warning shot to Quinn and several of these candy ass forwards by bringing Richards up to the taxi squad after one AHL game. Howden sucks. Hasn't improved in over 2 seasons and dumb fuck Quinn still rewards him constantly. The first sign of a coach being lined up to be canned.

 

[NYR Fan]

So, you equate calling a player up to the taxi squad with the first sign Quinn is being lined up to be canned. You continue to amaze with your ridiculousness.

And I love the who cares about Andersson. You loved the guy. Up and down he was amazing (he was the 2020 version of McIlrath for you), and now since he stinks in LA also, it's who cares. Can't blame Quinn for that one huh.

 

[kreidertime]

The time has come for JD and Gorton to do their fucking jobs and bring in a top center . We knew that this type of deal was coming with the powerful farm the Rangers have and a surplus at certain positions. Fox is here to stay. So is Schneider. Because Gorton was incompetent and gave Trouba a NMC, we are stuck with him. Thus Lundkvist is the odd man out along with TDA. Buchnevich is a non winning player. I get so tired of Sam and Joe glowing about him. They watch the games like Chuck. With their eyes closed. He's a imbecile with hockey sense. Yet, he still has trade value. I said last year they should have gone after Dvorak hard which I guarantee they didn't. Now he is averaging a point per game. It's time these two dickheads make a substantial move for a center.

 

[NYR Fan]

You say they should go after everybody, and deal all the players you say suck to get them. I know you say they suck, but GM's aren't like fans - only you know better than GM's - except that none of your moves EVER happen. The 6975407459784047046596496608876 moves you have made up over the years, none ever happened. Keep the streak alive.

And as I have been saying for a very long time now, must add a # 2 C. So many kids, all won't pan out, we couldn't fir them all in roster space wise even if they did, and we couldn't pay them all under the cap even if they did. Gorton has to get off his butt on this one. This summer we absolutely must add a legit # 2 C - period. If Gorton doesn't, it's a fail, that simple IMO.

 

[panzerporter]

JD and Gorton are so busy sorting through all the Tony D offers they don't have time to shop for centers.

 

[Ranger71]

Barkov would be the 1C as Z is more of a really good #2. It would take alot to get him but I'd give up the next 2 1sts plus a Chytil and maybe Kravtsov if he signed long term.