GP2 underwent an off season procedure

[TBpup]

Apparently, Sean Deveney had something about the Warriors wanting Payton back and that Wiseman's contract fits perfectly.

Wiseman hasn't been healthy, but he does have some skills that are unique. Is he ready for Golden State's 'win now' window? No. The Warriors thought that they would be getting more contributions from Wiseman, Mooney and Kuminga by now. Kuminga has taken a step back from last year from last year and his production has dropped by half. Moody is at about the same level, and Draymond Green was yelling at Wiseman in every practice.

Is he the #2 pick the Warriors thought he could be? No where close yet. But does have have some intriguing skills for a big man who is only 21 and has only played in 50 games so far in his career? Absolutely.
He actually averages more PPG this year than Looney. Now of course, it's not Looney's job to score, but Wiseman is getting more points in about half the minutes.

Per 36:
Points - 18.4
Rebs - 10.3
Assts - 2.7
FG% - .588

A complete bust? I think not. But he is no the level where the rest of the veterans are in terms of winning now. They are feeling the loss of Payton and OPJ and now that Thompson is having the worst year of his career, their margin for error is much smaller....as their record is showing so far.

If Portland were in a Championship window and a player like GPII could put them over the top, I'd say keep him. But I don't believe that is where their are. And they already can't seem to get enough minutes for Sharpe and Keon (who was doing some good things) will get even less than the miniscule minutes he was getting. Little isn't playing much either and it's tough for him to get back to where he was without getting some rhythm. Payton, while he should be a positive contributor, will create even more of a log jam, while up front, the Blazers will remain ridiculously thin/small.

Cronin said he was about taking a shot on a player with upside and Wiseman would fit that description.

I would have to seriously think about that unlikely scenario if Golden State were somehow open to it.

 

[andalusian]

I am excited about seeing GP2 on this roster but if the Warriors are willing to do a pick swap + Wiseman for GP2 - you have to consider it...

 

[oldmangrouch]

Apparently, Sean Deveney had something about the Warriors wanting Payton back and that Wiseman's contract fits perfectly.

Wiseman hasn't been healthy, but he does have some skills that are unique. Is he ready for Golden State's 'win now' window? No. The Warriors thought that they would be getting more contributions from Wiseman, Mooney and Kuminga by now. Kuminga has taken a step back from last year from last year and his production has dropped by half. Moody is at about the same level, and Draymond Green was yelling at Wiseman in every practice.

Is he the #2 pick the Warriors thought he could be? No where close yet. But does have have some intriguing skills for a big man who is only 21 and has only played in 50 games so far in his career? Absolutely.
He actually averages more PPG this year than Looney. Now of course, it's not Looney's job to score, but Wiseman is getting more points in about half the minutes.

Per 36:
Points - 18.4
Rebs - 10.3
Assts - 2.7
FG% - .588

A complete bust? I think not. But he is no the level where the rest of the veterans are in terms of winning now. They are feeling the loss of Payton and OPJ and now that Thompson is having the worst year of his career, their margin for error is much smaller....as their record is showing so far.

If Portland were in a Championship window and a player like GPII could put them over the top, I'd say keep him. But I don't believe that is where their are. And they already can't seem to get enough minutes for Sharpe and Keon (who was doing some good things) will get even less than the miniscule minutes he was getting. Little isn't playing much either and it's tough for him to get back to where he was without getting some rhythm. Payton, while he should be a positive contributor, will create even more of a log jam, while up front, the Blazers will remain ridiculously thin/small.

Cronin said he was about taking a shot on a player with upside and Wiseman would fit that description.

I would have to seriously think about that unlikely scenario if Golden State were somehow open to it.

Nice analysis - even though I don't agree, you put the pro-Wiseman case well.

 

[TBpup]

How good or bad is Wiseman? I just have never watched him.

Nice analysis - even though I don't agree, you put the pro-Wiseman case well.

It's not a slam dunk by any means, which is why I ended with, "you have to seriously think about it...". It's possible the Blazers, with the addition of Payton, are in contender status. I don't think we are quite there, but again, have to consider it if they stay anywhere in the top-5 in the league.

Check out the sequence that starts at 57 seconds. Those are intriguing abilities. The block, then passes everyone on the sprint out, and finishes with the dunk off the catch at the FT line. Not a lot of players in the league that can do that. Plus he was 3-3 from 3-pt range as he became the youngest every player in Warriors history to get 25 points.

 

[noknobs]

I've never heard that before.

I've never heard that before.

 

[Blazinaway]

The problem is for $9million/year, we shouldn’t have to wait.

do we know of Cronin/Blazers knew about the injury and possible/likely surgery when we signed him last summer?

 

[Chris Craig]

Apparently, Sean Deveney had something about the Warriors wanting Payton back and that Wiseman's contract fits perfectly.

Wiseman hasn't been healthy, but he does have some skills that are unique. Is he ready for Golden State's 'win now' window? No. The Warriors thought that they would be getting more contributions from Wiseman, Mooney and Kuminga by now. Kuminga has taken a step back from last year from last year and his production has dropped by half. Moody is at about the same level, and Draymond Green was yelling at Wiseman in every practice.

Is he the #2 pick the Warriors thought he could be? No where close yet. But does have have some intriguing skills for a big man who is only 21 and has only played in 50 games so far in his career? Absolutely.
He actually averages more PPG this year than Looney. Now of course, it's not Looney's job to score, but Wiseman is getting more points in about half the minutes.

Per 36:
Points - 18.4
Rebs - 10.3
Assts - 2.7
FG% - .588

A complete bust? I think not. But he is no the level where the rest of the veterans are in terms of winning now. They are feeling the loss of Payton and OPJ and now that Thompson is having the worst year of his career, their margin for error is much smaller....as their record is showing so far.

If Portland were in a Championship window and a player like GPII could put them over the top, I'd say keep him. But I don't believe that is where their are. And they already can't seem to get enough minutes for Sharpe and Keon (who was doing some good things) will get even less than the miniscule minutes he was getting. Little isn't playing much either and it's tough for him to get back to where he was without getting some rhythm. Payton, while he should be a positive contributor, will create even more of a log jam, while up front, the Blazers will remain ridiculously thin/small.

Cronin said he was about taking a shot on a player with upside and Wiseman would fit that description.

I would have to seriously think about that unlikely scenario if Golden State were somehow open to it.

No thanks. All the Blazers need is another broken center.

 

[MickZagger]

Don't know. If they didn't draft Shaedon and instead drafted Dyson Daniels would we be acting like he'd great too?

Daniels looks good in a role player type way. Sharpe looks like he has all the makings of a superstar right off the bat.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

here is a pre draft analysis of Wiseman's weaknesses that might explain why he was having trouble fitting in with GS. NBA comp of hassan Whiteside is a little scary.

"Wiseman can block shots, sure, but there are still holes in his game defensively. Moving side to side isn’t a strong suit of his and for that reason, he’s not a player that’s comfortable switching out to guards. A lack of muscle is also a concern for Wiseman and playing for USA Basketball he struggled with some physical international bigs that would get into his body and use lower centers of gravity to push him around.

Offensively Wiseman wants to play like a wing and while that offers some intrigue it also makes him tough to project. Coaches aren’t going to give him too many opportunities to isolate on the wing and demonstrate his ball-handling abilities and for that reason, one of his main skills is at the risk of being rendered useless. Throughout his high school career there was evidence of Wiseman trying to be a stretch big that would shoot threes but those shots never really fell for him, including in his final EYBL season where he shot 10% from deep.

Another area of concern is Wiseman as a playmaker. Whenever he got the ball on a short roll and was in a position to distribute he struggled to read defences and make the right decision and even when he recognized the right pass to make, he struggled to execute it.

The problem could lay with his hands. He seems to have little touch which makes passing difficult and also leads to him fumbling a lot of lobs or worse had entry passes ricochet off his hands. His struggles to catch the ball in traffic and be a passer off the short roll make him far less effective in the pick and roll than you’d like to see from a 7’1” run-and-jump big man and that also hurts his NBA projection.

Generally speaking there seems to be a disconnect between what the basketball world wants from Wiseman and what he sees himself as. Scouts view him as a potential defensive anchor who will block shots defensively and sit in the dunker spot offensively. Wiseman, on the other hand, seems to see himself as a ball-handler worthy of taking on the role of a volume shooter. If he’s willing to fit the mould of what teams want from their five-man he could have a long career but if he continues to try to be a 7’1” guard there is going to be some bust potential.

Projected NBA Draft Range: 3-8


NBA Comparison: Hassan Whiteside

Projected NBA Role: Defensive anchor."

 

[STOMP]

If they didn't draft Shaedon and instead drafted Dyson Daniels would we be acting like he'd great too?

If Dyson's 2022-3 hypothetical Blazer career mirrored what he's done with the Pels, I'm sure most here would have their fingers crossed for better days ahead.

I've kept an eye on Jalen Duren from the Pistons as he was a guy I argued for them considering over Daniels and Sochan. Statistically he's been really good on the Big man stuff (boards, blocked shots) and just watched the Pistons vs Kings and he was nice. Really active and long getting in on loose balls and switching well on D. That guy has a bright future.

STOMP

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I just read on Twitter that this is Gary Payton's third core muscle surgery. Not sure if that is true? Can anyone confirm that?
It begs the question. Will he continue to have problems with this injury? Will he never be truly healthy?
Has Dame started the same trend?

 

[e_blazer]

I just read on Twitter that this is Gary Payton's third core muscle surgery. Not sure if that is true? Can anyone confirm that?
It begs the question. Will he continue to have problems with this injury? Will he never be truly healthy?
Has Dame started the same trend?

According to his injury history on Fox Sports, it’s just the one surgery. He could have had others earlier in his career, I suppose, but it doesn’t look to be a frequent repeat problem. Jrue Holiday had the same surgery in 2019 and it doesn’t seem to have slowed him down.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gary-payton-ii-player-injuries

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelican...631393ee-5de8-5c16-a7cb-1ec27bfca164.amp.html

 

[HailBlazers]

According to his injury history on Fox Sports, it’s just the one surgery. He could have had others earlier in his career, I suppose, but it doesn’t look to be a frequent repeat problem. Jrue Holiday had the same surgery in 2019 and it doesn’t seem to have slowed him down.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gary-payton-ii-player-injuries

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelican...631393ee-5de8-5c16-a7cb-1ec27bfca164.amp.html

Seriously Jrue is really fing good.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

According to his injury history on Fox Sports, it’s just the one surgery. He could have had others earlier in his career, I suppose, but it doesn’t look to be a frequent repeat problem. Jrue Holiday had the same surgery in 2019 and it doesn’t seem to have slowed him down.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gary-payton-ii-player-injuries

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelican...631393ee-5de8-5c16-a7cb-1ec27bfca164.amp.html

I did a quick search and found pretty much the same thing.

 

[Chris Craig]

He's supposed to be getting re-evaluated today. Dame too.

 

[wizenheimer]

He's supposed to be getting re-evaluated today. Dame too.

I've had to wives who became ex-wives upon re-evalution. Not saying which way

 

[handiman]

He's supposed to be getting re-evaluated today.

Good, maybe he'll undergo an in-season procedure one of these days, i.e., playing ball.

 

[B-Roy]

Excuse my French but where the fuck is GP

 

[AldoTrapani]

Excuse my French but where the fuck is GP

From suppose to return by opening night to damn near missing till the new year. Clearly he had a major setback. I don’t get why they don’t just tell us. We can tell already

 

[Freshtown]

Lfg!

 

[Pinwheel1]

Lfg!

Wow, the Aldo reverse jinx works once again. The dude is uncanny.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Wow, the Aldo reverse jinx works once again. The dude is uncanny.

It was the old-

Clearly he had a major setback.

That pushed it over the edge. Jinx never fails!

 

[THE HCP]

Lfg!

So you seem to be awfully excited this guy is the missing piece. Curious why you think he will take us to that next level?

 

[illmatic99]

Highkin said Dame said GP participated "fully " in practice today.

Casey said GP "participated in parts of today's practice."

Which is it

 

[illmatic99]

So you seem to be awfully excited this guy is the missing piece. Curious why you think he will take us to that next level?

we have the 24th ranked defense at the moment and he was a DPOY candidate last year.

i've been pretty skeptical of his impact here from the beginning (and was fairly vocal against signing him), but am still excited to see what he can do for Chauncey's defensive strategy and our zone that teams have started to figure out.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

So you seem to be awfully excited this guy is the missing piece. Curious why you think he will take us to that next level?

You have to admit they could use his energy and defense. Missing piece? No. Another Piece? Yes.

 

[THE HCP]

we have the 24th ranked defense at the moment and he was a DPOY candidate last year.

i've been pretty skeptical of his impact here from the beginning (and was fairly vocal against signing him), but am still excited to see what he can do for Chauncey's defensive strategy and our zone that teams have started to figure out.

I like the addition of a defensive minded player for sure. I didn’t realize he was a candidate for that award. Looking forward to see what he can do. Just like anything that has to do with this team, I’ll wait and see, I’m not of the mind that we added his dad or a Hakeem level game changer until I see it.

 

[THE HCP]

Also, if he was supposed to be ready by game one and he is JUST now getting back to practice….not sure how long we will have to wait for him to be 100%.

 

[illmatic99]

I like the addition of a defensive minded player for sure. I didn’t realize he was a candidate for that award. Looking forward to see what he can do. Just like anything that has to do with this team, I’ll wait and see, I’m not of the mind that we added his dad or a Hakeem level game changer until I see it.

Admittedly, I was a bit hyperbolic with the DPOY thing, but he wasn't on an all NBA team because he didn't play as much in the regular season. Even so, every one of his metrics were up there.

But he was statistically the best defender in the whole league in the playoffs last year with quite a high sample size.

 

[THE HCP]

That level and commitment to that side of the game will definitely take its toll. Hope he’s back to that level for us soon. As a Duck fan this was hard for me to type.