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Shaboid said:
And you want to blame that all on a media "assault"? Sure they are trying to come at him hard, I get that, every president has had opponents. But maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't such a blowhard with other agenda items that even you said you don't support, maybe he could get something done. Instead, the baby (infrastructure, tax reform, regulatory relief) is going right out with the bathwater. It honestly sounds like you feel bad for the guy.
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I feel bad for everyone's 401K. Hurting everyone to get Trump doesn't matter to those out to get him.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Pssst.... Flynn was a Trump peoples.
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Nobody I've seen says he's had any kind of illegal relationship with anyone Russian. Just that he failed to disclose things on his government employment forms.
 
Denny Crane said:
I feel bad for everyone's 401K. Hurting everyone to get Trump doesn't matter to those out to get him.
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Media members don't have 401k's? Unless I'm confused about who you think is out to get him, as he has brought a lot of this upon himself.

One could argue that market stability is something the President does have some control over. Especially a President that is as business savvy as he claims. I'm on your side in hoping that Wall Street doesn't turn on the New Yorker residing in the White House. Today wasn't a good sign though, in my opinion. Rising interest rates loom like a gray cloud. Similar to Congressional hearings. I hope it never happens, but if either of our 401ks take a dive on the day a President is impeached, we'll know who's to blame.
 
Shaboid said:
Media members don't have 401k's? Unless I'm confused about who you think is out to get him, as he has brought a lot of this upon himself.

One could argue that market stability is something the President does have some control over. Especially a President that is as business savvy as he claims. I'm on your side in hoping that Wall Street doesn't turn on the New Yorker residing in the White House. Today wasn't a good sign though, in my opinion. Rising interest rates loom like a gray cloud. Similar to Congressional hearings. I hope it never happens, but if either of our 401ks take a dive on the day a President is impeached, we'll know who's to blame.
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Media members are paid massive salaries. What do they care about main street's 401Ks?
 
Nikolokolus said:
Well I'm sure they don't invest their money. Is that what you believe?
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I'm sure their ability to retire comfortably isn't as likely to be eliminated by the stock market crash they're likely to cause.
 
So, you think the truth should be covered up so that the market doesn't crash?

barfo
 
barfo said:
So, you think the truth should be covered up so that the market doesn't crash?

barfo
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I think the truth should be reported. When will that start happening?
 
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dviss1 said:
The dumbest shit about this is that you simply show pictures but nothing else... @SlyPokerDog has a goddamn flowchart. Where are your famed charts and graphs Denny?
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The flow charts are bullshit, but you know that already.

I showed that all sorts of people have connections to Russians, and there's nothing out of the ordinary here - unless you want to go after absolutely everyone who met with the Russian ambassador (go for it!) or had any business deals with Russian people.
 
All sorts of people have connections to the Watergate office building, so there was no reason to investigate Nixon's connections to Watergate.

barfo
 
barfo said:
All sorts of people have connections to the Watergate office building, so there was no reason to investigate Nixon's connections to Watergate.

barfo
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Nixon's employees were caught red handed committing a crime.

The better analogy would be, "all sorts of people have connections to the Watergate (HOTEL) so there is every reason to investigate everyone who ever went near it."
 
Denny Crane said:
The better analogy would be, "all sorts of people have connections to the Watergate (HOTEL) so there is every reason to investigate everyone who ever went near it."
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Not clear what you mean. Are you claiming the crime happened at the hotel rather than the office building? Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that be relevant?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not clear what you mean. Are you claiming the crime happened at the hotel rather than the office building? Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that be relevant?

barfo
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Now you're getting it. It's not relevant. That's why the analogy was better than yours.
 
Denny Crane said:
Now you're getting it. It's not relevant. That's why the analogy was better than yours.
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He he. Yep, nothing to see here, possibly due to a huge amount of completely harmless black smoke. And the heat, that surely isn't from flames (or from global warming).

Everything is just fine.

If only the media would leave poor Mr. Trump alone, he could make America great again. Mean old media.

barfo
 
barfo said:
He he. Yep, nothing to see here, possibly due to a huge amount of completely harmless black smoke. And the heat, that surely isn't from flames (or from global warming).

Everything is just fine.

If only the media would leave poor Mr. Trump alone, he could make America great again. Mean old media.

barfo
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Any smoke is a figment of fevered imaginations.

I don't suggest the media leave Trump alone or even treat him nicely. I do suggest they do their jobs ethically.
 
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Robert Mueller Eliminates Trump’s Trump Card

Donald Trump’s ability to issue presidential pardons has been the ultimate weapon looming over Robert Mueller’s investigation. Trump could potentially pardon himself of any crimes. More important, he could dangle a pardon to his former staffers to encourage them not to supply Mueller with any incriminating information on Trump. Mueller is apparently handling his investigating like the prosecution of a mob boss, pressuring underlings to flip on the boss. Trump’s advantage is that, unlike a mob boss, he can give out an unlimited number of get-out-of-jail-free cards. Trump has reportedly mused in public about using the pardon — and his pardon of Joe Arpaio flaunted his willingness to use it on behalf of a political ally, even in outrageous fashion.

But it turns out that there is a flaw in Trump’s strategy. The presidential pardon only applies to federal crimes. As NBC reported last night, it is possible for state governments to press charges in some of the alleged crimes committed by Trump’s cronies. “You would have to find that one of those [election] crimes occurred in New York,” Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor, told NBC. Of course, some of the alleged crimes almost certainly did take place in New York. And sure enough, Josh Dawsey reports, Mueller is teaming up with New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman. “One of the people familiar with progress on the case said both Mueller’s and Schneiderman’s teams have collected evidence on financial crimes, including potential money laundering,” he notes.

Trump can pardon anybody facing charges from Mueller, but not from Schneiderman. It is probably significant that Mueller is letting this fact be known to Trump’s inner circle. Trump’s biggest source of leverage over Mueller just disappeared.​
 
Trump will sell the state of New York to the Russians. Problem solved.

barfo
 
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