OT Grant High School teacher's 'rape culture' paper sparks controversy

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So, you've decided to redefine the term to fit your preconception. Not surprising--it's the same thing the teacher did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent.

 

[Natebishop3]

The followup....

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_teacher_who_denied_ra.html

There were the boys who pulled her hair as she walked down the hallways of Grant High. The guys who grabbed and grabbed no matter what she did. Yelling back only made it worse. She was asking to be raped, these classmates said. Some days she was so afraid she hid in the school bathroom.

The history teacher who admired how bright and generous she was, David Lickey, didn't see any of this

He didn't see her torment, even though it happened just outside his classroom door and to someone he cared about. She wasn't just his student, but also the babysitter for his daughters. Some of the boys, no doubt, must have been his students, too.

Still, he would remain ignorant about all of this for years — until his ignorance went viral.

"What exactly is 'rape culture'?" Lickey wrote in a three-page essay he handed out to students last week, for reasons that remain unclear. "I don't see it in my life or the lives of any of the men and women I have known."

He wrote that he found rape culture to be "dubious" and "a bit hysterical."

Hair pulling is assault. It's abuse. It's bullying...... but is it rape?

I was bullied in school. Pretty much from grade school all the way until high school. Not as bad as some, but I got my share of it. Does that mean I was raped? When we use the word "rape" to describe any and all negative interaction between men and women, the word loses its meaning.

If I told you that a man raped a woman, you wouldn't immediately think he pulled her hair. You would think that he forced intercourse on her. That's what the word means. That's why it's such a powerful word, and to diminish the word by attributing it to things like hair pulling in the hallway is........ wrong.

That's not to say that something shouldn't be done about bullying. It absolutely is a horrible thing that many people have to deal with, boys and girls, and it is still a very serious problem in this country, but it IS happening to both sexes and sometimes the bullying of boys can be just as, if not more, violent. She got her hair pulled? I knew a kid in high school that would constantly get shoved into lockers.... hard. I'm sure he wanted to hide in the bathrooms too. Was he raped?

 

[Nate]

In this thread, a bunch of men in a sports forum comment on how rape is overblown.

Yes, no male has ever been the victim of sexual assault. That just doesn't happen.

 

[Nate]

If America has rape culture, does it have murder-culture?

Theft-culture?

Just crime-culture in general?

 

[Nate]

So basically, America has criminals.

Shocking.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes, no male has ever been the victim of sexual assault. That just doesn't happen.

It sounds like it doesn't even have to be sexual assault. It can just be any assault. That girl is saying that because her hair was pulled in the halls, she was raped.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It sounds like it doesn't even have to be sexual assault. It can just be any assault. That girl is saying that because her hair was pulled in the halls, she was raped.

Yeah, in my case I was coaching a special games athlete in college. He wanted to go to the bathroom, then he took his dick out and chased me around with a Boner.

Sexual Assault. I am a statistic. :MARIS61:

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, in my case I was coaching a special games athlete in college. He wanted to go to the bathroom, then he took his dick out and chased me around with a Boner.

Sexual Assault. I am a statistic. :MARIS61:

Special games athlete..... is that like the special olympics?

 

[Nate]

It sounds like it doesn't even have to be sexual assault. It can just be any assault. That girl is saying that because her hair was pulled in the halls, she was raped.

I was raped in Miami. I bought a 22 dollar personal pizza.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Special games athlete..... is that like the special olympics?

Yes. http://studentaffairs.lmu.edu/activities/centerforserviceandaction/getinvolvedincsa/specialgames/

 

[THE HCP]

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_teacher_who_denied_ra.html

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_teacher_who_denied_ra.html

Apparently you didn't actually read the thread...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Its funny all these emo fucking High School students bitching about their lame shit yo. Rape culture my ass. Sure, there are probably rapes that go on but probably not that often.

In the big picture, none of that matters bro! They won't even remember 80% of the people they went to HS with.

If we're talking about Sexual Assault culture, maybe you have something. Also, blacks and latinos are way more sexually aggressive, its funny how they talk about white privledge, white people don't get no pussy, son.

 

[Shaboid]

white people don't get no pussy, son.

I do alright, dad.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I do alright, dad.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

men as inherently evil and predatory.

well, kinda. unless your'e some kinda beta cuck.

men SHOULD be feared. real men anyways.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

well, kinda. unless your'e some kinda beta cuck.

men SHOULD be feared. real men anyways.

 

[Shaboid]

Not sure if you're calling me or @SlyPokerDog a chode here..

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I think it is absurd that liberals feel like they need support groups and shit. Children are supposed to have a support group, it's called a family. Liberals remind me of preachers how they want to be involved in and make decisions for everyone else. How about you cucks do something on your own. Why is everyone afraid of failure? Failure is an opportunity to learn. People dont want to raise their own kids so they have schools and counselors and therapists do it for them. Oh your kid is acting like a child? Here, give it some Ritalin and let the tv babysit them. Fuck man. Maybe if kids werent trying to raise kids.

 

[dviss1]

Yup. Rape culture doesn't exist. Neither does racism or white privilege. There also isn't a war on women's reproductive rights.

But there is a war.... It's on Christmas...

This country is going to SHIT...

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Yup. Rape culture doesn't exist. Neither does racism or white privilege. There also isn't a war on women's reproductive rights.

But there is a war.... It's on Christmas...

This country is going to SHIT...

Women's reproductive rights? Seriously?

 

[dviss1]

Women's reproductive rights? Seriously?

People always ask the question what are we going to do about the 40 million abortions that happened after Roe v Wade? What people don't ever think about is the 40 million abortions that happened to before Roe v Wade. The difference is those abortions were happening in back alleys, women were dying, babies were being born malformed etc...

You see I'm not pro-life or pro-choice. I'm pro-privacy. Men don't have to ever talk about their dick pills do we? So why the fuck do we got to talk about women and their abortions? Women will always seek abortion whether or not it's legal.

You seem to think that the government should be able to have a FBI agent in every damn Birthing Center to oversee every damn birth. That sounds like a government takeover and government control in people's lives to me? The government should have any thing to do with people making decisions on how they build their families. You people who seem to think that the government should have more power over us...

The hypocrisy is amazing...

 

[Nate]

You seem to think that the government should be able to have a FBI agent in every damn Birthing Center to oversee every damn birth. That sounds like a government takeover and government control in people's lives to me? The government should have any thing to do with people making decisions on how they build their families. You people who seem to think that the government should have more power over us...

The hypocrisy is amazing...

What does any of that mean?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think it is absurd that liberals feel like they need support groups and shit. Children are supposed to have a support group, it's called a family. Liberals remind me of preachers how they want to be involved in and make decisions for everyone else. How about you cucks do something on your own. Why is everyone afraid of failure? Failure is an opportunity to learn. People dont want to raise their own kids so they have schools and counselors and therapists do it for them. Oh your kid is acting like a child? Here, give it some Ritalin and let the tv babysit them. Fuck man. Maybe if kids werent trying to raise kids.

This forum is a support group for Blazer fans.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yup. Rape culture doesn't exist. Neither does racism or white privilege. There also isn't a war on women's reproductive rights.

But there is a war.... It's on Christmas...

This country is going to SHIT...

Please, explain to me how we live in a culture that promotes/supports rape?

 

[Natebishop3]

You know what kind of culture we live in?

We live in a culture where a man can call 911 because his wife/girlfriend is hitting him, and HE will be the one arrested.
https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3972-researcher-what-hap-3972

We live in a culture where a judge will award custody of the children to the mother even though the father in some cases is the better and more stable parent.

We live in a culture where it's okay for women to hit men (on TV, in the movies, in public) but it is never okay for men to hit women (not even in self defense.)

We live in a culture where a man can be found guilty of domestic violence even though there's zero evidence supporting it, and the woman changed her story multiple times.

We live in a culture where men can spend years in prison for wrongful rape charges, and their accusers only get a slap on the wrist when it is exposed that they lied.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...esnt-hold-a-grudge-does-still-have-nfl-hopes/

We live in a culture where a man and a woman can both be equally drunk, have sex, and the man can be charged for rape because the woman was impaired.

Regardless of what you think about this country, I don't see how you can possibly think that the stakes are the same for men and women. A woman can hit a man and not have to worry about going to jail. A woman can get drunk and have sex and not have to worry about maybe being accused of rape. A woman can threaten to accuse a man of rape or violence if he doesn't do what she wants, and history has shown that she'll get away with it. THAT is what kind of culture we live in.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

You know what kind of culture we live in?

We live in a culture where a man can call 911 because his wife/girlfriend is hitting him, and HE will be the one arrested.
https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3972-researcher-what-hap-3972

We live in a culture where a judge will award custody of the children to the mother even though the father in some cases is the better and more stable parent.

We live in a culture where it's okay for women to hit men (on TV, in the movies, in public) but it is never okay for men to hit women (not even in self defense.)

We live in a culture where a man can be found guilty of domestic violence even though there's zero evidence supporting it, and the woman changed her story multiple times.

We live in a culture where men can spend years in prison for wrongful rape charges, and their accusers only get a slap on the wrist when it is exposed that they lied.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...esnt-hold-a-grudge-does-still-have-nfl-hopes/

We live in a culture where a man and a woman can both be equally drunk, have sex, and the man can be charged for rape because the woman was impaired.

Regardless of what you think about this country, I don't see how you can possibly think that the stakes are the same for men and women. A woman can hit a man and not have to worry about going to jail. A woman can get drunk and have sex and not have to worry about maybe being accused of rape. A woman can threaten to accuse a man of rape or violence if he doesn't do what she wants, and history has shown that she'll get away with it. THAT is what kind of culture we live in.

So, what should we do when a woman says she was raped or beaten? Just assume she is lying?

 

[Natebishop3]

So, what should we do when a woman says she was raped or beaten? Just assume she is lying?

That's not the point. The whole argument of that article is that women are being abused and society is just turning the other way.

But do you think that someone should be convicted of a crime if there's zero evidence that they committed it? Should one person's word be enough? I think we are putting an awful lot of trust in people being honest, when there's plenty of evidence that people can't be trusted, whether they're men or women.

 

[HailBlazers]

People always ask the question what are we going to do about the 40 million abortions that happened after Roe v Wade? What people don't ever think about is the 40 million abortions that happened to before Roe v Wade. The difference is those abortions were happening in back alleys, women were dying, babies were being born malformed etc...

You see I'm not pro-life or pro-choice. I'm pro-privacy. Men don't have to ever talk about their dick pills do we? So why the fuck do we got to talk about women and their abortions? Women will always seek abortion whether or not it's legal.

You seem to think that the government should be able to have a FBI agent in every damn Birthing Center to oversee every damn birth. That sounds like a government takeover and government control in people's lives to me? The government should have any thing to do with people making decisions on how they build their families. You people who seem to think that the government should have more power over us...

The hypocrisy is amazing...

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

This forum is a support group for Blazer fans.

Yeah, but the Blazers franchise raped our emotions over the years... so we need it!