Greg Anthony says Lillard's the best

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Nikolokolus said:
I'm not sure who Dame reminds me of the most (Porter, but better I guess?) but it doesn't fucking matter. He's a helluva player and outside of "The Brow" who went 1st overall in that draft, he's clearly the second best player and Neil managed to get him at six.
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To me, Lillard is a cross between Isiah and Iverson.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm comparing 1st three years to 1st three years. What years should I use to get an accurate comparison of each player's 1st 3 years in the NBA?
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I don't think Marazul was comparing Nashs first three years in the league to Damians. He was comparing his peak years, which was my point.

Comparing different players years, which were under different circumstances (Nash wasn't starting the first two years, iirc).
 
julius said:
I don't think Marazul was comparing Nashs first three years in the league to Damians. He was comparing his peak years, which was my point.

Comparing different players years, which were under different circumstances (Nash wasn't starting the first two years, iirc).
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Then maybe Sly could have added "that's how those players match up their first 3 years, but we all know Lillard hasn't hit his prime"

So using someone's prime years from someone's rookie contract years is absurd
 
julius said:
I don't think Marazul was comparing Nashs first three years in the league to Damians. He was comparing his peak years, which was my point.

Comparing different players years, which were under different circumstances (Nash wasn't starting the first two years, iirc).
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And, like I've already asked you, do you think Lillard has peaked? I don't, so I don't think it's accurate to compare Nash's peak years to Lillard's first 3 years. All that's left for the most accurate result is to compare first 3 years in the league.
 
Somebody help me out. What website is it that lets you plug in a player and get their closest comp? I thought it might have been basketball-reference.com, but I'm not having any luck.
 
We should have drafted Magic Johnson instead of Lillard.

Damn you Neil Olshey and Paul Allen for your lack of time machine and your ability to make bold moves in the draft.
 
I would say Lillard's numbers are probably close to peaking but his talent overall isn't close to peaking yet.

Also, Batum is a big reason why we don't need Lillard to average 10 plus assists a game (even though he has been sucking it up in other areas).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Somebody help me out. What website is it that lets you plug in a player and get their closest comp? I thought it might have been basketball-reference.com, but I'm not having any luck.
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Basketball-reference does it by win shares. I believe they have another way of comparing players.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh geez, I hardly think that is real. Damian is a good guard, but hardly a top point guard. A top Point Guard can get an assist by setting up each of his team mates in turn. A good bucket attempt for all his teammates on demand. I don't see this aspect of the game from Lillard at all. No pick n roll with Lamarcus like we saw from Rudy.

Remember how the MVP Steve Nash could drop dimes on demand? Like 24 a game, a thing of beauty. If Lillard would learn that trade with the talent on this team, gawd this team would be awesome.
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Oh Marz, put the schtick away. It's Christmas. The kid had 40 points and managed to get 11 assists. Not only that he was responsible for the the team going 3-1 on this trip.

Dame is a good kid. He deserves all the love he receives. Nice post by Greg.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Try this

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi
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That's not quite what I mean. I'm not talking about straight "find me all of the players who shot X%, scored Y points and had Z assists" I'm talking more about the kind of comps that Kevin Pelton used to do for basketball prospectus before he went over to ESPN. He had a system that analyzed the kinds of shots players took, their ratio between 2s and 3s and their physical measurements (and a lot of other stuff); it produced results that said stuff like "Brandon Roy's closest comp is Walt Frazier by 97%" (I'm making that up by the way, I'm not sure what it had to say about him exactly).
 
Nikolokolus said:
That's not quite what I mean. I'm not talking about straight "find me all of the players who shot X%, scored Y points and had Z assists" I'm talking more about the kind of comps that Kevin Pelton used to do for basketball prospectus before he went over to ESPN. He had a system that analyzed the kinds of shots players took, their ratio between 2s and 3s and their physical measurements (and a lot of other stuff); it produced results that said stuff like "Brandon Roy's closest comp is Walt Frazier by 97%" (I'm making that up by the way, I'm not sure what it had to say about him exactly).
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Let me know once you find it. I am genuinely interested in the topic.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh geez, I hardly think that is real. Damian is a good guard, but hardly a top point guard. A top Point Guard can get an assist by setting up each of his team mates in turn. A good bucket attempt for all his teammates on demand. I don't see this aspect of the game from Lillard at all. No pick n roll with Lamarcus like we saw from Rudy.

Remember how the MVP Steve Nash could drop dimes on demand? Like 24 a game, a thing of beauty. If Lillard would learn that trade with the talent on this team, gawd this team would be awesome.
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as dame gets better at finishing at the rim teams will have to honor it more, he will have more room to kick out to open shooters. he's going to get even better. and there is not currently a PG in the league id trade him for straight up. he may not have the best overall numbers right now but his attitude is perfect, his drive is untouchable, his clutchness unmatched, and his ceiling is higher than any. he went from horrid on defense to decent in 1 off season. just imagine after more work he could be gary payton D and rose offense with a lillard 3 point shot. that's right, lillard 3 point shot is the standard, there is no one to compare
 
One thing I noticed last night is that Lillard was getting some star calls from the refs. The NBA must have finally sent a secret memo to the refs.
 
How anyone could find anything to complain about from dame last night is beyond me.

He scored 40 points. He handed out 11 assists. He shot better than 50%. What else do you want?


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SlyPokerDog said:
One thing I noticed last night is that Lillard was getting some star calls from the refs. The NBA must have finally sent a secret memo to the refs.
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He's a flopping bitch according to rocket fans.


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Boob-No-More said:
Something tells me you forgot the green font. Nash's career high was 22 assists in a game, he did it one time. So, 24 apg never happened, not even close. His career high for a season was 11.6 apg.

I thought you may have been confusing Nash and Stockton. Stockton racked up a lot more assists than Nash. His career best was 14.5 apg. He did have multiple 24+ assist games over the course of his 19-year NBA career, but even the great John Stockton ever had more than one 24+ assist game in any single season.

Magic Johnson is the only player to record two 24+ assist games in a single season. He had two games of exactly 24 assists during the 1990-91 season.

There have only been 12 - 24+ assist games in the history of the NBA - as noted, none of them by Steve Nash.

Yeah so, Dame averaging 24 apg would be cool, but it would also be cool if he averaged 64 ppg and the team went 82-0, but those things aren't happening either. Lillard's good, but he's not that good.

BNM
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Yes, when you understand assists, you think of Stockton, Magic, Nash. Not Lillard.

I think he has the skill set needed, he just hasn't been given the role or accepted the role, one or the other.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How anyone could find anything to complain about from dame last night is beyond me.

He scored 40 points. He handed out 11 assists. He shot better than 50%. What else do you want?


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Obviously 13 more assists.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
r*ckets fans are actually worse than l*ker fans as far as basketball knowledge and overall smugness.
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The hypocrisy is beyond outrageous. Do they seriously not see how bad harden is about flopping?


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So, just so we're clear, I'm pointing out that comparing Damians #'s to Nash's prime stats (which is what Marazul did) is dumb..you do realize that, don't you?
 
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