Greg Impressed Me, Tonight

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Sure, he made a few rookie mistakes such as getting pump-faked by Parker for that silly foul. However, he also had some very meaningful minutes of play. He altered, if not blocked, shots. He teamed up with Brandon for at least one dunk. His presence was felt out there and I felt he played an important part in that comeback and ultimately the win.

Good on ya, Greg!

21 Minutes
8 Points (4-5)
8 Rebounds
2 Blocks
5 Fouls (at least 2 of them ticky-tack)
 
and he did it all despite only being given the ball a single time in a post up situation. well i guess rudy's great pass should count as well.
 
His block on Parker was awesome. He jumped out of the building.
 
Greg played well and made his presence known in that second-quarter comeback. I love what he's bringing off the bench.

That one play though where he just didn't get enough lift on his dunk was kind of weird, but probably one of those weird flukey things. Oden's bringing it though
 
Greg impressed the ADMIRAL tonight. . That's some praise right there . .
 
I still think Greg isn't in shape yet. Once he gets in shape, I'd love to see what he can do.
 
Yeah it will be great when he actually gets a healthy chance to work on his footwork/lowerbody. Your gonna see him dominate! Oden canceled out the great Tim Duncan tonight, and without any legs he nearly dunked on 7'6" Yao Ming! Texas has got nothin on us. .

- - RIP CITY --
 
alex42083 said:
Greg played well and made his presence known in that second-quarter comeback. I love what he's bringing off the bench.

That one play though where he just didn't get enough lift on his dunk was kind of weird, but probably one of those weird flukey things. Oden's bringing it though
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It looked like he was hit in the back on that play. I don't know if that's why he was short, but it could have been enough to make the difference.
 
It looked like Ime ran into his side and knocked him off on this play. No foul called, of course - as Oden was on the receiving side.
 
He said or thought. . "Damn that boy might be captaining is own fleet some day."
 
With as big and strong as he is, I'm really surprised at how easily he gets blocked or thrown off kilter on his dunk attempts. No doubt that he'll get that corrected, but he seems to miss a lot of them.
 
The dribble drive on Bonner was a really nice move, showed his potential
 
alex42083 said:
That one play though where he just didn't get enough lift on his dunk was kind of weird, but probably one of those weird flukey things. Oden's bringing it though
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was his lift really a problem on that? it looked to me like he got up to dunk it and just slammed the ball down on the front of the rim. it wasn't a lift problem, just simply a missed dunk.
 
rocketeer said:
was his lift really a problem on that? it looked to me like he got up to dunk it and just slammed the ball down on the front of the rim. it wasn't a lift problem, just simply a missed dunk.
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Yeah - it looked like he just brought it down too soon.
 
He bent forward either expecting contact or had received some... I don't even think he was looking at the hoop when he tried to score there.
 
well charley rosen wrote a dumbass article talking about how joel is a much better player than oden at this point. i won't waste anyone's time by posting it, i wish the guy who posted it where i saw it had told me who had written it so i wouldn't have wasted my time.
 
It was a dumb article, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't the premise is wrong.

If I needed one game to win (say, Game 7 of a series) I would want Pryzbilla right now. He'd bring that interior toughness/defense and rebounding for sure. You generally wouldn't worry about fouls with him, either, or him turning the ball over when he receives it in the post (because he doesn't).

I think Oden will be better, obviously, but if he becomes a Pryzbilla-type rebounder and defensive post presence (does anyone in the NBA play Yao better?) with a better offensive game I'm thrilled.
 
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BengalDuck said:
It was a dumb article, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't the premise is wrong.

If I needed one game to win (say, Game 7 of a series) I would want Pryzbilla right now. He'd bring that interior toughness/defense and rebounding for sure. You generally wouldn't worry about fouls with him, either, or him turning the ball over when he receives it in the post (because he doesn't).

I think Oden will be better, obviously, but if he becomes a Pryzbilla-type rebounder and defensive post presence (does anyone in the NBA play Yao better?) with a better offensive game I'm thrilled.
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Clearly, having BOTH Joel/Oden right now is a luxury. I love Greg coming off the bench. He still picks up a ton of fouls, but it doesn't handcuff us as bad (most nights) b/c we can go right back to Joel. There are games like Monday vs the Grizz where Joel picks up a couple of quick fouls and we have to go to Greg early. That was scary when both of them were in foul trouble early. Even though Oden hasn't been a mountain of production since he came back, he is valuable. I mean, when he was out and we had to go with Frye to spell Joel . . . that was ugly. You know if Greg is in there teams aren't going to get those cheap points (offensive rebounds, tip ins, layups, dunks) Even if he gets in foul trouble and it's only 11 minutes that night, it still gives Joel his breather. And on those rare nights when Greg gets 18/12, then you're playing with house money.
 
andalusian said:
It looked like Ime ran into his side and knocked him off on this play. No foul called, of course - as Oden was on the receiving side.
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Ime definitely hip checked him at just the right moment to mess up the dunk.

And that dribble drive was sweet. I certainly didn't expect that.
 
ABM said:
Greg Impressed Me, Tonight QUOTE]


You are easily impressed.

Most Blazer fans expected a lot more from our franchise changing once in a lifetime center prospect than 8 pts and 5 fouls in 20 minutes off the bench.
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Hank The Dwarf said:
ABM said:
Greg Impressed Me, Tonight QUOTE]


You are easily impressed.

Most Blazer fans expected a lot more from our franchise changing once in a lifetime center prospect than 8 pts and 5 fouls in 20 minutes off the bench.
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I expected 14/14 in 35 minutes, and that's what I put on TowelBoy's worksheet in September. Last night's effort? 80% FG, 14pts/14reb per 36. I know per36's don't tell the whole story, and Greg's getting tick-tacked much more than I expected. If you thought Greg actually fouled someone 5 times yesterday, it's not worth either of our time to continue trying to explain basketball things to each other.

Joel's been great, better than expected. That's allowed Nate to not force Greg into the lineup, or to sit him through the 4th quarter if Nate wants to.

For all the talk about Greg and his fouls, he's fouled out of 4 games this year. He's not pulling himself out of the game, and he's not getting himself tossed.

I'm not easily impressed, I'm a Blazer fan, he's doing what I expected, and I think that my projections were high compared to most in here. That almost the definition of overachieving to me.

I don't remember what your stat projections for him were, for the year he's 14.8/11.7 per 36. If you expected more production from him than that? That's about exactly what Dwight Howard (another franchise center, or so I've heard) averaged in his second year (15.4/12. Or what Andrew Bynum (16.4/12.7) averaged in his 3rd (his "breakout") year. Yao Ming, while more proficient scoring, has NEVER averaged those rebounding numbers. Tim Duncan's career rebounding average is 11.4 per 36.

Is he great yet? No. Is he an above-average rookie playing for a top 4 WC team? Yep. I'm happy with Greg's play. Would I like to see him on the floor more? Of course. Do I think he's being benched b/c he doesn't have NBA skills, or b/c of the NBA officiating? Officiating. I mean, last night his chin DID pop Kurt Thomas's elbow pretty good, but I'm not sure it was foul-worthy.
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BengalDuck said:
It was a dumb article, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't the premise is wrong.

If I needed one game to win (say, Game 7 of a series) I would want Pryzbilla right now. He'd bring that interior toughness/defense and rebounding for sure. You generally wouldn't worry about fouls with him, either, or him turning the ball over when he receives it in the post (because he doesn't).

I think Oden will be better, obviously, but if he becomes a Pryzbilla-type rebounder and defensive post presence (does anyone in the NBA play Yao better?) with a better offensive game I'm thrilled.
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i'd want both.

there are times in the game where i'd prefer joel(when oden won't be getting post touches anyway because the offense is completely going through roy/aldridge/outlaw), but i still don't think anything that has happened this year has indicated that joel is the better or more valuable player.
 
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