Greg Monroe available

[PtldPlatypus]

I only read the first page, but aren't we lacking the ability to trade this year's first round pick because we traded last year's?

No. The Stepien Rule only applies to future picks. Prior year picks don't apply.

 

[handiman]

No. The Stepien Rule only applies to future picks. Prior year picks don't apply.

Hmm, okay. I thought it disallowed trading away 1st round picks in consecutive years unless first acquiring others to fill in.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The day after the last draft we owned our pick and available to trade.

I hate trading first-rounders but if you can land a young big like Monroe you do it without blinking.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Sounds like if the situation is right Monroe will agree to signing to the team he's traded to.

Detroit offered Monroe, who'd resign with Atlanta, for Teague and Korver.

Atlanta rejected.

Get'r done, Neil!

 

[magnifier661]

Sounds like if the situation is right Monroe will agree to signing to the team he's traded to.

Detroit offered Monroe, who'd resign with Atlanta, for Teague and Korver.

Atlanta rejected.

Get'r done, Neil!

Bro, if he's traded he won't have his bird rights. The team trading for him must have enough cap space to retain him. He's gonna get at least 12 mil, probably more.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sounds like if the situation is right Monroe will agree to signing to the team he's traded to.

Detroit offered Monroe, who'd resign with Atlanta, for Teague and Korver.

Atlanta rejected.

Get'r done, Neil!

Dude, that was a horrible deal for ATL, and clearly Detroit has ridiculous expectations right now. Sounds like Houston last year with Asik.

 

[Rhal]

Trading for Monroe is a trade for this year and not for the future unless you want to offer him a Max contract. I don't want a max player coming off the bench and I don't think Monroe is an upgrade over either Lopez or LA.

 

[Natebishop3]

Trading for Monroe is a trade for this year and not for the future unless you want to offer him a Max contract. I don't want a max player coming off the bench and I don't think Monroe is an upgrade over either Lopez or LA.

Offensively he's an upgrade over Rolo.... defensively? Not so much.

 

[Rhal]

Offensively he's an upgrade over Rolo.... defensively? Not so much.

and Offense isn't what our team needs and D is. Thats a big reason I wouldn't do it.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Sources said the Pistons also seriously discussed various sign-and-trade scenarios this month that would have landed restricted free agent Greg Monroe in Portland, but the Blazers ultimately pulled themselves out of the race for Monroe by signing free-agent big man Chris Kaman to join Robin Lopez in the Blazers' center rotation.

Some outlets even reported Momroe to Portland was "close" but pulled out as Neil got gun shy - Batum?

Sounds like Neil had a complex plan in place knowing the FA situation this coming summer.

Greg and his agent pushed for a deal with either Portland or OKC.

 

[KingSpeed]

Sounds like if the situation is right Monroe will agree to signing to the team he's traded to.

Detroit offered Monroe, who'd resign with Atlanta, for Teague and Korver.

Atlanta rejected.

Get'r done, Neil!

Hahahaha! Detroit wanted a top 6 PG and the best shooter in the game for Monroe!? Hilarious. That's practically like trading Lillard and Wes for Monroe.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hahahaha! Detroit wanted a top 6 PG and the best shooter in the game for Monroe!? Hilarious. That's practically like trading Lillard and Wes for Monroe.

Yeah, it's their own fault they traded Brandon Knight for that scrub Jennings.

Aldridge would be worth a package of Teague/Korver/etc but not Monroe.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, it's their own fault they traded Brandon Knight for that scrub Jennings.

Aldridge would be worth a package of Teague/Korver/etc but not Monroe.

If we made this trade (if say we didn't have Lillard) I would be livid...

 

[riverman]

We have a shooter who can't play defense on the bench now only he's taller and cheaper. I like being a better defensive squad and Monroe could easily start on a lottery team instead of playing behind LA on the bench. He's playing behind Smith now which is Stan Van Gundy's biggest mistake. Picking up unhappy Piston players just seems to never work out for the recipients.

 

[Blazinaway]

We have a shooter who can't play defense on the bench now only he's taller and cheaper. I like being a better defensive squad and Monroe could easily start on a lottery team instead of playing behind LA on the bench. He's playing behind Smith now which is Stan Van Gundy's biggest mistake. Picking up unhappy Piston players just seems to never work out for the recipients.

I was against it at first but I am starting to come around to the idea of trading for Lance Stephenson rather than a Monroe

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I was against it at first but I am starting to come around to the idea of trading for Lance Stephenson rather than a Monroe

No! Bad! *whaps Blazinaway with a rolled up newspaper* Bad fan! Bad fan!

 

[Blazinaway]

No! Bad! *whaps Blazinaway with a rolled up newspaper* Bad fan! Bad fan!

Given our vets, culture, and winning ways I actually think he'd fit well here

 

[RR7]

I was against it at first but I am starting to come around to the idea of trading for Lance Stephenson rather than a Monroe

I keep going back and forth on it, and I think right now am in the pro trading for him side. He's a little off, but the fact that Indiana is at least open to the idea of bringing him back leads me to believe he wasn't the chemistry issue there last season. Weith one more year, and a team option after that, it also gives us a small bit of insurance in case Wes took a huge deal elsewhere.

 

[Denny Crane]

If you sign him as a UFA in the summer, you don't have to give Detroit anything.

If you can't figure out how to make it work, then you're talking about a rental and losing rights to $5M worth of players.

 

[RR7]

If you sign him as a UFA in the summer, you don't have to give Detroit anything.

If you can't figure out how to make it work, then you're talking about a rental and losing rights to $5M worth of players.

If you wait to sign him as a free agent, you also don't hae use of him over the next 6 months, which would be the idea behind trading for him

 

[Denny Crane]

If you wait to sign him as a free agent, you also don't hae use of him over the next 6 months, which would be the idea behind trading for him

I think he'd be going to a team that has cap space to sign him in the summer. Do you think he'd want to play in Atlanta? I don't, and he has veto power. His best bet is to stay put and preserve his bird rights.

 

[magnifier661]

I think he'd be going to a team that has cap space to sign him in the summer. Do you think he'd want to play in Atlanta? I don't, and he has veto power. His best bet is to stay put and preserve his bird rights.

Yeah it really doesn't make sense for him to accept any trade. He would have way more flexibility to go to a team he wants via sign and trade to a team over cap. If that doesn't happen, he can still go to a team he is willing to play for that is under the cap.

 

[Denny Crane]

A destination that sort of makes sense for Monroe is the Knicks. They'll surely have the cap space in the summer, but they won't be able to give him the max amount of money that a Bird contract could net him. But he may not be worthy of that big a contract anyway.

 

[magnifier661]

A destination that sort of makes sense for Monroe is the Knicks. They'll surely have the cap space in the summer, but they won't be able to give him the max amount of money that a Bird contract could net him. But he may not be worthy of that big a contract anyway.

I don't think there is a team on the planet that will give him a max contract. He hasn't earned it. If he was smart, He would sign a 4 year with a player option on the 4th year. The new CBA kicks in, he will have bird rights and have a good 3 years to show just how valuable he is.

I think he's got the skill to be a max level player, but he was in the wrong environment. Once he goes to a decent organization, he will do just fine, IMO

 

[Natebishop3]

A destination that sort of makes sense for Monroe is the Knicks. They'll surely have the cap space in the summer, but they won't be able to give him the max amount of money that a Bird contract could net him. But he may not be worthy of that big a contract anyway.

How do the Knicks always have cap space.


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[Denny Crane]

How do the Knicks always have cap space.


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Amare and Bargain are big expiring contracts. They didn't have space last summer.

 

[magnifier661]

How do the Knicks always have cap space.


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They trade Dallas for expiring. Staudamire is expiring as well.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

What was the status of Rondo's bird rights?

This deal hinged upon Rondo agreeing to re-sign with Dallas.

Couldn't the same be done with Greg? Remember, his agent wanted him in Portland last summer and holds Neil in high regard after the Hibbert deal.

 

[RR7]

What was the status of Rondo's bird rights?

This deal hinged upon Rondo agreeing to re-sign with Dallas.

Couldn't the same be done with Greg? Remember, his agent wanted him in Portland last summer and holds Neil in high regard after the Hibbert deal.

rondo has bird rights, monroe does not if he is traded

 

[magnifier661]

What was the status of Rondo's bird rights?

This deal hinged upon Rondo agreeing to re-sign with Dallas.

Couldn't the same be done with Greg? Remember, his agent wanted him in Portland last summer and holds Neil in high regard after the Hibbert deal.

No for this reason.

Monroe is on his rookie deal. He was a restricted free agent this summer. There was no deal Monroe signed because he knew Detroit was going to match, so he didn't sign any. That makes him an unrestricted free agent this summer, by signing a "qualifying offer".

The condition of the QO means the player cannot be traded unless that player accepts giving up his bird rights. So only until this summer he can either do a sign and trade for max (5 years) or signs a regular 4 year deal with a team under cap.