Greg Oden back to rehabbing

[Fez Hammersticks]

I wonder how Greg would feel in OKC, a metro HALF the size of Portland.

 

[Klinky]

Perhaps that was the OP's intent, but that post was a red flag to me about Oden, considering him admitting that he drank too much.

When did he admit this?

Greg Oden's mind appears to be mending quicker than his knee - Jason Quick

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

Now, let's be clear. Nobody on the Blazers was willing to say that Oden's affection for the night life had become a concern. Nobody.

And to be honest, Oden admits that he hasn't totally gone cold turkey. There has been an occasional adult beverage here and there.

"Hey, I'm 22," Oden said. "I'm legal."

Quick basically contradicts himself in the article claiming Oden gave up alcohol, while burying the actual fact that he never said he had given it up entirely deeper down in the article.

So you can de-wad your panties a bit over a grown man having a drink and wanting to be left alone.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This board takes little quotes or statement from articles and analyzes and probably over analyzes them on a daily basis.

In this case we are taking a picture and what we know about Oden to draw up some opinions. Nothing wrong with that . . . in fact I think Blazer fans probably have some of the best opinions when it comes to Blazer players.

I know some have been expressing concern about Oden's commitment to the game since before he was drafted . . . and it was the same respones back then "you don't know shit". Maybe, but what do you know, Oden eventually admitted some of this when talking about his partying and eating lifestyle (not committed 100% to his physical condition).

I know for me I expressed concerned with Oden's drinking when Oden was asked his first or second year what he liked most about going to Canada with his team. His response was his favorite thing was the drinking age and he can drink legally. I said back then, "bad answer big guy" and it turned out to be teliing eventhough some said you can't draw that from one statement. Well it was an opinion and as it turned out the right one.

Maybe Pdx doesn't have all the proof, but his hunch about Oden is not one that is hard to imagine. If this was Roy or LA, that would be different, but is Pdx saying anything that is really far fetched?

 

[Masbee]

I talk to the bartender and he said Oden had a diet coke and ordered out for a grill chicken salad. So what's the problem? Where was he seen at again?

Very funny.

 

[Klinky]

This board takes little quotes or statement from articles and analyzes and probably over analyzes them on a daily basis.

In this case we are taking a picture and what we know about Oden to draw up some opinions.

What does the picture tell you? Heck it's so blurry I wouldn't even know it was Oden unless someone told me. Big problems occur when peoples memories about "what they know" are just as fuzzy as the picture posted.

So we have two drinking jokes(quotes of these would be nice), misinterpreted articles & a blurry picture. Solid.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

If I posted a picture of Greg Oden's Drivers License someone would complain that he wasted all that time waiting in line at DMV when he could have been working on his game. Dude can't win.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What does the picture tell you? Heck it's so blurry I wouldn't even know it was Oden unless someone told me. Big problems occur when peoples memories about what was said are just as fuzzy as the picture posted.

So we have two drinking jokes(quotes of these would be nice), misinterpreted articles & a blurry picture. Solid.

That's my point, does it have to be solid to give an opinion here. I had an opinion about Oden based on something someone said he said. My opinion is he may have an alcohol problem. Not solid evidence, but guess what, correct opinion.

So let me play your game . .. what does the clarity of the picture have to do wtih anything? We know it's Oden, does the clarity somehow change your opinion. It must because you made an issue of it . . . the picture is fuzzy. Solid.

 

[PapaG]

When did he admit this?

Greg Oden's mind appears to be mending quicker than his knee - Jason Quick





Quick basically contradicts himself in the article claiming Oden gave up alcohol, while burying the actual fact that he never said he had given it up entirely deeper down in the article.

So you can de-wad your panties a bit over a grown man having a drink and wanting to be left alone.

How many other Blazer players, off of the top of your head, have your heard give an interview to a beat writer in which they said that they needed to cut back on partying and drinking alcohol?

Don't blame me because I was concerned about this years ago and took a lot of crap on BBF when I posted that his comments about turning 21 troubled me.

Since that point, he has admitted to a member of the media that he needed to cut back on drinking. I'd say my concern at the time was warranted.

Not sure what your MO is here since you're so "new" (yeah, right ), but misrepresenting what people have posted seems to be near the top of the list. As I said, I don't care if Oden is out at the clubs drinking, but then again, I don't have to decide whether or not to re-sign him.

 

[Klinky]

How many other Blazer players, off of the top of your head, have your heard give an interview to a beat writer in which they said that they needed to cut back on partying and drinking alcohol?

Back-it-up. Where did he say this? Link the article.

As I said, I don't care if Oden is out at the clubs drinking, but then again, I don't have to decide whether or not to re-sign him.

Then why:

Don't blame me because I was concerned about this years ago and took a lot of crap on BBF when I posted that his comments about turning 21 troubled me.

You don't care, but you've been concerned for years about it?

 

[Klinky]

That's my point, does it have to be solid to give an opinion here. I had an opinion about Oden based on something someone said he said. My opinion is he may have an alcohol problem. Not solid evidence, but guess what, correct opinion.

Who was this "someone" & what did they say that convinced you Oden has a drinking problem?

So let me play your game . .. what does the clarity of the picture have to do wtih anything? We know it's Oden, does the clarity somehow change your opinion. It must because you made an issue of it . . . the picture is fuzzy. Solid.

It's a fuzzy pic of what may be Greg Oden @ a club. No the clarity doesn't matter, I was alluding that peoples memories were as fuzzy as the picture. You're the one suggesting the picture and your 2nd hand sources were enough to convince you that Oden has a very serious drinking problem...

 

[PapaG]

Back-it-up. Where did he say this? Link the article.



Then why:


You don't care, but you've been concerned for years about it?

I care for the franchise. I am a Blazer fan. Hence my noticing red flags about the guy that many posters were calling a once-in-a-generation talent.

I personally don't care if Greg wants to drink DeWar's or Johnny Red by the bottle, bump lines, and hump 50 hookers a night. Then again, it's not my decision on whether he should be re-signed, and if it were, the things that concerned me and still concern me would play a role in a new contract for him.

It's really not that hard to understand, is it? You seem to consistently conflate separate thoughts and then try to throw them all into one point of view that you assign to somebody.

My point personally is that Oden drinking is no big deal. My point in terms of the Blazers is that there is some risk outside of basketball and injuries that I would consider if I were the GM.

 

[PapaG]

When did he admit this?

You forgot to add this part to your cut/paste.

He no longer drinks alcohol. No longer goes to clubs. No longer partakes in late-night fast food.

And those three facts might be the biggest news that came out of Monday's media day.

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

Perhaps he never literally said he needed to cut back, although I had heard otherwise even without him saying it. He did say that he was done doing it, though.

That he has already (allegedly) walked back from points #1 and #2 make me question his sincerity. As I said, though, if he wants to have a good time, I don't care. The Portland night clubs need business, too.

As an aside, what was your former screen name here?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Who was this "someone" & what did they say that convinced you of Oden's drinking problem?


It's a fuzzy pic of what may be Greg Oden @ a club. No the clarity doesn't matter, I was alluding that peoples memories were as fuzzy as the picture. You're the one suggesting the picture and your 2nd hand sources were enough to convince you that Oden has a very serious drinking problem...

That whole fuzzy thing . .. not the best analogy. We know who is in the picture so who cares if it is fuzzy?

A reporter said that when Oden was asked what he liked most about Canada, he said the drinking age. Simple little comment that generated lots of talk on the board. Many saying you can't read into something as flimsy as that. I argued that with his fondness to parties, that comment was a red flag.

Later Oden come out and admits he should change his drinking and eating.

Not saying I had something solid back then, only knowing what I know I had a hunch. Hunch was right. Nothing wrong with giving opinions around here based on little we have (watch the opinions about what Nate teaches eventhough none of us really know)


OK for you to say I don't buy it (BTW-how do you feel about it, all I have read is you telling posters why their opinions are flawed) . . . but it seems like you want to riducule some who want to go out on a limb and have an opinion about something.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

If I posted a picture of Greg Oden's Drivers License someone would complain that he wasted all that time waiting in line at DMV when he could have been working on his game. Dude can't win.

Whats dude doing wasting time getting a license? He needs to be rehabbing! Plus he has more than enough $$$ to just have a personal driver.

I know KD wouldn't waste time on such trivial things... He is amazing.

 

[Klinky]

You forgot to add this part to your cut/paste.

Perhaps he never literally said he drinks too much, although I had heard otherwise even without him saying it.

No duh he didn't say it, because it wasn't true. It was crap Quick said to pad out his story. Quick contradicts himself in his own article as I mentioned in my previous post.

That he has already (allegedly) walked back from points #1 and #2 make me question his sincerity. As I said, though, if he wants to have a good time, I don't care. The Portland night clubs need business, too.

You're holding him up to standards he never set for himself. They were set by Jason Quick, who, again - contradicted himself in his own article. How can he fail those two points when he never promised or implied that he would follow them?

In fact just a month after that article Oden had this to say to ESPN:

"They kind of blew that up a little bit bigger than what it is," he says. "I'm not saying that I stopped drinking cold turkey. I have a drink. Occasionally I go out with my teammates. I don't do it as often as I did before. I didn't really go out and drink that much anyways. I just made a little bit more effort. I feel the same. I wasn't out there partying every night and drinking every night. ... This summer I really didn't want to go out. I just wanted to concentrate on getting my knee back."

Also I've never had another acct here. I've mainly hung out @ RealGM, but have decided to expand my patronage of other fine board establishments.
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[PapaG]

No duh he didn't say it, because it wasn't true. It was crap Quick said to pad out his story. Quick contradicts himself in his own article as I mentioned in my previous post.



You're holding him up to standards he never set for himself. They were set by Jason Quick, who, again - contradicted himself in his own article. How can he fail those two points when he never promised or implied that he would follow them?

In fact just a month after that article Oden had this to say to ESPN:


Also I've never had another acct here. I've mainly hung out @ RealGM, but have decided to expand my patronage of other fine board establishments.
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So, I read in your quote from Oden that he did say he was cutting back on alcohol, just not giving it up completely.

Again, what's your point? How does it relate to me years ago thinking that alcohol may become an issue with him? Why did he cut back?

 

[Klinky]

OK for you to say I don't buy it (BTW-how do you feel about it, all I have read is you telling posters why their opinions are flawed) . . . but it seems like you want to riducule some who want to go out on a limb and have an opinion about something.

My opinion is that he's a young guy who goes out and has a drink here and there. Maybe he goes to parties from time to time. I don't question his rehab efforts & rather attribute his continued inability to play as a result of his body mechanics rather than any issue with eating too much fast food or drinking. I feel as though I'd need some hard evidence that Oden has a drinking problem, such as an arrest, his teammates or the team coming out and saying he has an issue, him getting checked into a rehab facility or maybe multiple 3rd party reports that "Oden was smashed and barfing outside Club [x] last night".

 

[Ed O]

So, I read in your quote from Oden that he did say he was cutting back on alcohol, just not giving it up completely.

Again, what's your point? How does it relate to me years ago thinking that alcohol may become an issue with him? Why did he cut back?

I think his point is making sure that you're not attributing hypocrisy to Oden based on Quick's reporting... not based on what Oden himself has said.

If it's NOT his point, then I'll make it. Because you're holding Oden up to a false standard.

Ed O.

 

[Klinky]

So, I read in your quote from Oden that he did say he was cutting back on alcohol, just not giving it up completely.

Again, what's your point? How does it relate to me years ago thinking that alcohol may become an issue with him? Why did he cut back?

So someone who normally has two beers a week decides to go to one beer a week. That must mean they had a drinking problem in the past because they reduced their consumption? Perhaps he got burnt out on going out to clubs or parties, maybe he decided he wanted to focus on something else? Just because you reduce your consumption of something doesn't mean you had a problem with it before.

 

[PapaG]

I think his point is making sure that you're not attributing hypocrisy to Oden based on Quick's reporting... not based on what Oden himself has said.

If it's NOT his point, then I'll make it. Because you're holding Oden up to a false standard.
Ed O.

I'm not holding Oden up to any standard, other than my own opinion that was formed a few years ago when he talked of turning 21 so he could legally have alcohol.

Have you even read what I've posted in this thread, Ed? I don't care if he drinks, bump lines, whatever. It's his life, and his money, and his future.

If I was his boss, and if his contract was up, I may think otherwise and hold a different opinion. I would assume that the Blazers are getting some sort of intel on the guy.

 

[PapaG]

So someone who normally has two beers a week decides to go to one beer a week. That must mean they had a drinking problem in the past because they reduced their consumption? Perhaps he got burnt out on going out to clubs or parties, maybe he decided he wanted to focus on something else? Just because you reduce your consumption of something doesn't mean you had a problem with it before.

That's not at all my point. It's like you don't even read what I post.

 

[Ed O]

Have you even read what I've posted in this thread, Ed? I don't care if he drinks, bump lines, whatever. It's his life, and his money, and his future.

Why, then, did you post "You forgot to add this part to your cut/paste." and then bold a part of an article that was not a quote from Oden?

Did you bold that part randomly, or were you using it as evidence of some sort?

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

PapaG has met his match!!

Also I've never had another acct here. I've mainly hung out @ RealGM, but have decided to expand my patronage of other fine board establishments.
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"The board requires you to be registered and logged in to view profiles."

What's your password, Dinky, so I can admire your profile. Might even post a little bit. I won't say anything that embarrasses you.

 

[PapaG]

Why, then, did you post "You forgot to add this part to your cut/paste." and then bold a part of an article that was not a quote from Oden?

Did you bold that part randomly, or were you using it as evidence of some sort?

Ed O.

I inaccurately used it as a source, since it wasn't a quote, yet Klinky then proceeded to actually quote Oden saying he was cutting back on alcohol, which I will use as support for my opinion that there are red flags for him with partying and drinking.

I am able to divorce my personal feelings from my business analysis. They are divergent when it come to Oden for me.

Me: Have fun, young man, you're rich. Eat the best foods, drink the best drinks, put your dong out on the internet through a sext to some chick, and screw the best women. Fan-fucking-tastic!

Blazer Fanatic Me: Hmmm ... I'm not sure what to think here. He made a point to mention alcohol as being a way to change his lifestyle. I hope he knows what he's doing.

GM Me: How much money are we going to invest in this guy? What are the risks associated with it, on the court, injury-wise, and off-the-court?

 

[PapaG]

PapaG has met his match!!

LOL

BTW, whatever happened to The_Taint on ESPN? Did he ever appear after most of us left that board?

I also wonder why it took you years to leave that dump, but that's for another day, isn't it?

 

[PapaG]

So someone who normally has two beers a week decides to go to one beer a week. That must mean they had a drinking problem in the past because they reduced their consumption? Perhaps he got burnt out on going out to clubs or parties, maybe he decided he wanted to focus on something else? Just because you reduce your consumption of something doesn't mean you had a problem with it before.

As an aside, I see that RealGM is under new ownership as of 1/27/11. I also see that is the date that you joined this board.

Were you formerly a moderator/administrator/owner of that board? Were you "let go" in a takeover, and immediately went to a new board?

I just want to know your history, since you've decided to jump right into this board. I don't question your fandom at all, btw.

 

[jlprk]

BTW, whatever happened to The_Taint on ESPN? Did he ever appear after most of us left that board?

I also wonder why it took you years to leave that dump, but that's for another day, isn't it?

The Taint lasted at most a couple of years after you guys left. He changed his name to Dirt Monkey and then to Bukkake. He got banned a couple of times or more, which is typical there. He lived alone and thought Condoleezza Rice was so attractive. He said he always packed a gun, so I told him to sit on it. He had been in the military 8 years. He disappeared, either because he joined the CIA or because he went to jail. He had the personality for both, a downer guy. He used to talk about shaving your mom's back, you're hanging like cheese in the wind, I need your analysis like I need a 3rd nipple, etc.

I stayed because I owned that place after you guys left. Then a new generation came in and one guy in particular stalked me till I argued with him and then the moderator dropped the special treatment for me, and treated me like the majority he harrassed. Till then I'd been kind of special. When anyone argued with me, I was pretty forgiving, which will make people stop arguing fast. Worked for years till this one guy shadowed me in every thread. I just got tired of him.

 

[Klinky]

I inaccurately used it as a source, since it wasn't a quote, yet Klinky then proceeded to actually quote Oden saying he was cutting back on alcohol, which I will use as support for my opinion that there are red flags for him with partying and drinking.

Well your opinion is your opinion I guess, but I think the information you've some how derived over years doesn't even stack up to a house of cards, more like a pile of poo. I guess if you hang around in the poo long enough you don't smell it anymore.

GM Me: How much money are we going to invest in this guy? What are the risks associated with it, on the court, injury-wise, and off-the-court

I think something like, oh, I don't know, four knee injuries has a lot more pull than "the guy drinks occasionally".

As an aside, I see that RealGM is under new ownership as of 1/27/11. I also see that is the date that you joined this board.

They redesigned the website. Ryan Hoak is still the CEO, at least according to the sticky they put on the forums. As for me, I've already posted all you need to know. You can snoop around the Blazers forum and see my posts if you're really interested.

 

[PapaG]

Well your opinion is your opinion I guess, but I think the information you've some how derived over years doesn't even stack up to a house of cards, more like a pile of poo. I guess if you hang around in the poo long enough you don't smell it anymore.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that I smelled poo coming from another room, nobody else smelled it, yet eventually somebody stepped in a mountain of poo that they never knew existed.

I think something like, oh, I don't know, four knee injuries has a lot more pull than "the guy drinks occasionally".

There you go conflating things again.

They redesigned the website. Ryan Hoak is still the CEO, at least according to the sticky they put on the forums. As for me, I've already posted all you need to know. You can snoop around the Blazers forum and see my posts if you're really interested.

You came here guns-ablazing (no pun intended). I think we both know why, don't we?

 

[Klinky]

You came here guns-ablazing (no pun intended). I think we both know why, don't we?

I think you're conflating me with your imaginary stalker.