Greg Oden back to rehabbing

[Nikolokolus]

Are those really the questions?

Here was your first post in this thread.

So, I was at Aura last night. Snapped this picture (i know it's horrible).

Oden, just chilling at the club, drinking.

Had his bodyguard with him, not even paying attention to the people that just wanted high fives. Dude wasn't even in vip, just sitting right next to the bar with his crew.

I know everybody deserves to go out and have fun, but didn't he say that he was no longer drinking and going out to party? Isn't that all that he did on his last rehab? I just don't know about him any more. Plus, he was quite rude to the couple fans I saw walk up to him that stuck a hand out for a high five, Oden just stuck op the peace sign and ignored them.

At least he was sitting.

So maybe I'm wrong but you seem a little upset that he was rude and that he chose to sit at the bar. Where is the bit about him being injury prone or a bust?

 

[Ed O]

So maybe I'm wrong but you seem a little upset that he was rude and that he chose to sit at the bar. Where is the bit about him being injury prone or a bust?

And I thought his attitude wasn't helping with his attitude.

I'm confused by what the OP wants from us.

Ed O.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

It's a case of mixing up what a writer writes and what is actually said and meant by the athlete.

in Oden's case, doesn't seem correct to me.
Ed O.

yes it could be a mix up, but yahoo sports mentions it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-blazersinjuries11810

and this old fun too...
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Greg-Oden-Partying-Too-Much-In-Portland-Blog-19829

quick isnt the only one who comments on Oden's night life.

and the 30lbs included the "late night fast food" he said he cut out at the same time.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

Maybe you and I define "reasonable cause for concern" differently.

i think this is the case. maybe this is the only trip to aura for a long time, but to me is raises concern that it could be (again, COULD be) a problem and is fair to bring up. and for the record, i dont care if he's rude to fans. everything ive heard hes been cool. but if he's playing, i dont care if he's a prick. jordan was a compete prick. but obviously worth it.

 

[Klinky]

yes it could be a mix up, but yahoo sports mentions it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-blazersinjuries11810

and this old fun too...
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Greg-Oden-Partying-Too-Much-In-Portland-Blog-19829

quick isnt the only one who comments on Oden's night life.

and the 30lbs included the "late night fast food" he said he cut out at the same time.

Those are some of the worst sources ever. Adrian Wojnarowski has an axe to grind with the Blazers and he has ZERO sources in his article. When he mentions Oden's drinking, where is his source? No where. He's making shit up.

Faniq, seriously? The article destroys it's own credibility by quoting Jason Quick:

“I know where you’re going. I have certainly heard it. I don’t have any evidence … basically, what you’re [asking] is, is he a partier, enjoying his life, all that stuff. I can’t speak to that because I have not seen it. It has gotten back to me in various forms, but nobody from the team has said anything along those lines as far as being concerned or anything.”

Nice third hand reporting. The actual quotes for Oden paint a different picture in which he doesn't state he felt he ever had a drinking issue & has not given up alcohol. You can see the quotes and links to the first hand articles earlier in this thread.

I did find a copy of this old Oregonian article which mentions his affection for Cheeseburger in Paradise

So yeah, he liked Cheeseburgers while recovering from tonsil surgery back in 2007. That doesn't mean he kept up that diet. As far back as 2009 there are articles quoting him as shopping at Whole Foods.

The workouts spanned two-and-a-half months, not including the time Oden spent with the USA Select Team in Las Vegas. And through it all, Oden changed his diet and eating habits. He joked that he started shopping at "Whole Foods every now and then," and has gone from eating two or three large meals a day to four or five small meals. Oden is noticeably slimmer and says he is lighter on his feet and better conditioned.

Peoples diets change & perhaps you can make a diet "healthier" that doesn't mean his old diet was one that would be considered unhealthy for an athlete or the cause of knee problems.

 

[maxiep]

only person that is allowed to have any opinion on him is his doctor? 3 major injuries in 3 years tells me (without needing to see his chart) that he is doing something wrong. as a blazer fan, how does it not make you upset that we wasted what could have been durrant on this guy who cant even get on the court? and doesnt change bad behavior that could be the reason he cant play? like bill walton said, they guy needs to completely change. whats hes doing isnt working. but walton isnt a physician either so i guess his opinion is worthless too?

And so he needs to not go out to a club? If that's your stance, then we'll agree to disagree.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Well if Oden says he doesn't have a drinking issue then he must not . . . because all people with alcohol issues are quick to admit problems.

Is there anyone who has followed Oden who think he doesn't like to party? Because the guy is a partier who likes to party.

Does that mean he has an alcohol issue? No. But funny how no other current Blazer I know has had to even answer these questions. Why are there questions about this from different media sources? Why does he like to party so much? Is this some kind of witch hunt on Oden or maybe there is/was something to the concerns about his drinking.

Everyone here can make their own conclusions to all this . . . but it isn't like Pdx saw Oden at a bar and raised an issue about him drinking that has never been raised before. And although I personally don't know how much he is drinking, it safe to say that whatever diet or regiment he is currently doing, it does not involve staying away from alcohol.

 

[maxiep]

I'm mad at greg oden for continuing bad behavior that leads to constant injury. i think ive made that quite clear. your entire post is nonsense. i'm a blazers fan. not an oden or durrant fan. why would i be an apologist for oden when he has cost my team millions and not done anything but hurt himself. if its "being spoiled" that makes me want the blazers to win, then i guess i'm spoiled. youre a fool.

Of which "bad behavior" are you referring?

 

[maxiep]

not that its 100%, but an awful diet and love of partying is what i am referring to

need to treat your body right to be a successful pro athlete

Is Oden fat? Does he lack musculature?

I don't know where you get the idea that pro athletes exist only on wheat grass juice and brown rice while living in a monastery.

 

[MickZagger]

Well if Oden says he doesn't have a drinking issue then he must not . . . because all people with alcohol issues are quick to admit problems.

Is there anyone who has followed Oden who think he doesn't like to party? Because the guy is a partier who likes to party.

Does that mean he has an alcohol issue? No. But funny how no other current Blazer I know has had to even answer these questions. Why are there questions about this from different media sources? Why does he like to party so much? Is this some kind of witch hunt on Oden or maybe there is/was something to the concerns about his drinking.

Everyone here can make their own conclusions to all this . . . but it isn't like Pdx saw Oden at a bar and raised an issue about him drinking that has never been raised before. And although I personally don't know how much he is drinking, it safe to say that whatever diet or regiment he is currently doing, it does not involve staying away from alcohol.

Welcome to the reality of Oden being a #1 pick who has played less than a seasons worth of basketball in 3 years.

I mean c'mon. I think any criticism of Oden is fair.

 

[maxiep]

Welcome to the reality of Oden being a #1 pick who has played less than a seasons worth of basketball in 3 years.

I mean c'mon. I think any criticism of Oden is fair.

If any of these injuries were his fault, I'd agree with you. But he had about as much control over these injuries as you do over your colon. Sometimes stuff just happens.

 

[Klinky]

Well if Oden says he doesn't have a drinking issue then he must not . . . because all people with alcohol issues are quick to admit problems.

Hey, buddy, listen. People are saying "Greg admitted he has a problem". Guess what, no he didn't. That's why it matters. Bam, end of story. How much information do you need to fully assess if someone has a drinking problem? Certainly more than you or anyone else has been able to come up with.

Does that mean he has an alcohol issue? No. But funny how no other current Blazer I know has had to even answer these questions.

What other current Blazer has been a #1 pick who has failed to meet expectations over and over again due to injury, while his alternate choice keeps soaring to ever greater heights and thus he now has the hostility and rage of butt-hurt fans directed at him? Only one.

Why are there questions about this from different media sources?

Sports "journalism" is the loosest form of journalism there is. It's barely above teen girls gossiping in the hallway. There is usually very little facts to what is written and what is factual is often twisted, manipulated and transformed into something that will grab attention to fill a few minutes of air time or the eyeballs of reader.

Why does he like to party so much?

How much does he party and how much do you consider is too much?

Let me answer that for you: You don't have a single clue as to how often Oden parties.

Everyone here can make their own conclusions to all this...

The quality of your conclusions relies heavily on what facts you're basing them off of. Frankly, everyone who says that Oden drinks too much, ate too unhealthy or parties too much has VERY VERY VERY little evidence of this actually being an issue. You can chirp amongst yourselves and feel high and mighty or release your rage against Oden, it doesn't change the hard evidence on the matter.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Are those really the questions?

Here was your first post in this thread.



So maybe I'm wrong but you seem a little upset that he was rude and that he chose to sit at the bar. Where is the bit about him being injury prone or a bust?

Nik, I expect better from you. Obviosuly this thread has turned and morphed from my original post. You obviously don't understand sattire. The last couple posts/pages have led to peoples feelings on Oden. My questions are only there to guage exactly how people feel here.

You went a head and did exactly what 1. I thought was going to happen due to this being ripcitytwo and 2. exactly what I said not to do, because I wanted to see true honest opinions.

And I thought his attitude wasn't helping with his attitude.

I'm confused by what the OP wants from us.

Ed O.

Ed Doh, I have never seen someone confuse themself so easily. If you don't understand, stay out and let the big boys play. Stop trying to make pointless posts that try and misreprest what was posted (becuase you flat out didn't understand it) and try to make you self feel/appear like the genuis here on this forum.

 

[MickZagger]

If any of these injuries were his fault, I'd agree with you. But he had about as much control over these injuries as you do over your colon. Sometimes stuff just happens.

We really have no evidence that they weren't his fault. In my case, it was purely hereditary.

 

[maxiep]

We really have no evidence that they weren't his fault. In my case, it was purely hereditary.

How do we know that a better diet would have kept you from having your problem? Are you 100% sure? You may have been predisposed but did you do EVERYTHING you could have?

We also don't have evidence they were his fault. In fact, only with his first microfracture was the injury not caused by playing basketball.

It seems you're holding yourself to a lower standard than Oden. Not surprising.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

If any of these injuries were his fault, I'd agree with you. But he had about as much control over these injuries as you do over your colon. Sometimes stuff just happens.

You are THE one saying we can't judge and that we DONT know. How can you honestly sit there and type that Oden's injuries are NOT HIS FAULT?!?!?!?!

Are YOU a doctor, have YOU been working on/ with him? YOU don't know. You are not allowed to assume...

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

Those are some of the worst sources ever. Adrian Wojnarowski has an axe to grind with the Blazers and he has ZERO sources in his article. When he mentions Oden's drinking, where is his source? No where. He's making shit up.

youre right. yahoo lets their writers make shit up all the time. when its common knowledge that the issue has come up before, you dont need to quote a sourse. its not the world vs you and greg oden bro. open your eyes.

Faniq, seriously? The article destroys it's own credibility by quoting Jason Quick:

conspiracy theory must begin with quick huh. in jan 09 quick was already planting the seed...

Nice third hand reporting. The actual quotes for Oden paint a different picture in which he doesn't state he felt he ever had a drinking issue & has not given up alcohol. You can see the quotes and links to the first hand articles earlier in this thread.

clearly he hasnt given up aclohol, he keeps breaking.

Peoples diets change & perhaps you can make a diet "healthier" that doesn't mean his old diet was one that would be considered unhealthy for an athlete or the cause of knee problems.

could be true. could be that he ate like shit and it didnt help his body get what it needs to keep him healthy. but my opinion doesnt count here. because im not a dr.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Hey, buddy, listen. People are saying "Greg admitted he has a problem". Guess what, no he didn't. That's why it matters. Bam, end of story. How much information do you need to fully assess if someone has a drinking problem? Certainly more than you or anyone else has been able to come up with.

What other current Blazer has been a #1 pick who has failed to meet expectations over and over again due to injury, while his alternate choice keeps soaring to ever greater heights and thus he now has the hostility and rage of butt-hurt fans directed at him? Only one.


Sports "journalism" is the loosest form of journalism there is. It's barely above teen girls gossiping in the hallway. There is usually very little facts to what is written and what is written is often twisted, manipulated and transformed into something that will grab attention to fill a few minutes of air time or the eyeballs of reader.



How much does he party and how much do you consider is too much?

Let me answer that for you: You don't have a single clue as to how often Oden parties.



The quality of your conclusions relies heavily on what facts you're basing them off of. Frankly, everyone who says that Oden drinks too much, ate too unhealthy or parties too much has VERY VERY VERY little evidence of this actually being an issue. You can chirp amongst yourselves and feel high and mighty or release your rage against Oden, it doesn't change the hard evidence on the matter.

Whatever man. You came out with opinions.

Your opinion, Oden has a drink here and there . . . link? Proof?

That he parties from time to time . . . link? Proof?

You don't question his rehab efforts . . . link? proof?

His problems are due to his mechanics and not his eating or drinking . . . link? proof?

You want to see proof of an arrest, admission, checking into a tx facility or another player saying he has a problem to believe it . . you don't have a clue about people with alcohol problems.


You make the statement you think Oden parties from time to time . . . you have no idea how much he parties, how can you amke such a statement with very very very very very very little eveidence (i figure the more tiems I use very the more I make my point . . . should have capped it too)

Sports "journalism" is the loosest form of journalism there is . . . link? proof? Looser than tabloids, the star, papers from UK. You make these bold statement and then jump on others who do saying they don't know what they are talking about.

Sports journalism is the loosest form of jornalism (no other looser form of journalism). . . you have no idea what you are even saying.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

maxiep and klinky are two of a kind. nobody is saying it is 100% truth that the drinking and diet are in fact the only reason for his injury issues. but if greg has had 3 major injuries in such a short time, it makes sense to wonder if these issues (brought up by legitimate journalists) have some merit. it makes sense to question his focus if he is partying. it makes sense to question this, but its amazing that you refuse to even acknowledge that it COULD be part of the problem. your love for greg oden is scary.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

You are THE one saying we can't judge and that we DONT know. How can you honestly sit there and type that Oden's injuries are NOT HIS FAULT?!?!?!?!

Are YOU a doctor, have YOU been working on/ with him? YOU don't know. You are not allowed to assume...

max and klink are right. you and the world are trying to bash greg oden. these are two things that will never change.

 

[Klinky]

youre right. yahoo lets their writers make shit up all the time. when its common knowledge that the issue has come up before, you dont need to quote a sourse. its not the world vs you and greg oden bro. open your eyes.

"common knowledge" *facepalm*. So if someone repeats something enough times depsite if it's true or not that suddenly makes it true? If enough hacks repeat a lie or misconstrue the truth that means that they are now reliable? It's me vs people who have trouble assessing the quality of where they're getting their information from.

conspiracy theory must begin with quick huh. in jan 09 quick was already planting the seed...

My problem is not with Jason Quick, it's with what he said in the quote. READ THE QUOTE. He had no evidence of anything. Only very flaky "rumors".

clearly he hasnt given up aclohol, he keeps breaking.

*facepalm*

but my opinion doesnt count here. because im not a dr.

Your opinion is your opinion, but I am just saying the information you're basing your opinion off of is non-existent or crappy.

Don't you care that you haven't been able to find a reliable source to back-up your opinion, doesn't that make you question anything?

I've been the only one in this thread who's actually posted a shitload of info and the haters just keep going off of "it's common knowledge" or "i heard it awhile back" or "everyone knows greg oden parties a lot!" or the best one "greg oden said xyz"(when he didn't say xyz at all). Fuzzy logic, fuzzy memory, circular referencing.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

I've been the only one in this thread who's actually posted a shitload of info and the haters just keep going off of "it's common knowledge" or "i heard it awhile back" or "everyone knows greg oden parties a lot!" or the best one "greg oden said xyz"(when he didn't say xyz at all). Fuzzy logic, fuzzy memory, circular referencing.

here it is again. all the haters (who provide the same quality of source as you have) are wrong. and they are saying could be. not certain. they realize the facts arent there so they say "could be." you hear oden say one thing and hang on that like the word of god. this is grey bro, youre sticking in black and white.

if he's hurt all the time b/c of fate or luck or leg length or whatever that sucks. but if there is something he can do to get better, something he can change in his behavior, dont you as a blazer fan (or even an oden nuthugger) want to see that happen or investigated if even a 10% chance it could let him play more?

 

[MickZagger]

How do we know that a better diet would have kept you from having your problem? Are you 100% sure? You may have been predisposed but did you do EVERYTHING you could have?

We also don't have evidence they were his fault. In fact, only with his first microfracture was the injury not caused by playing basketball.

It seems you're holding yourself to a lower standard than Oden. Not surprising.

I'm not a #1 pick for an NBA team and labeled as the next Bill Russell. If I were, I would expect the criticism.

I'm also not re-injuring the same muscle, over and over.

Completely different set of circumstances.

 

[Klinky]

Whatever man. You came out with opinions.

Your opinion, Oden has a drink here and there . . . link? Proof?

That he parties from time to time . . . link? Proof?

Oden admits that he drinks, there is that famous picture of him partying. Pretty safe to say he drinks from time to time. I haven't seen any evidence to say that he drinks excessively.

You don't question his rehab efforts . . . link? proof?

[video=youtube;yqeu4XK7hH0]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2009/12/greg_oden_in_good_spirits_as_r.html

His problems are due to his mechanics and not his eating or drinking . . . link? proof?

Gary Gray from The Gray Institute gave this quote on 1080 the fan. You can listen to it here:

When you see a high level of athlete and you don't see a certain synchrony of movement, your heart goes out to them. Greg Oden, when you see him move, has foot problems, a huge biomechanical problem, tight hips and different leg length. He has a sluped shoulder thing going on so his thoracic spine is an issue as well. I see someone that isn't put together perfectly at the beginning so how can we compensate.

You want to see proof of an arrest, admission, checking into a tx facility or another player saying he has a problem to believe it . . you don't have a clue about people with alcohol problems.

So I guess I could say that you're an alcoholic. I know about as much about your drinking history as you do about Oden's. Provide me PROOF you're not an alcoholic. In actuality, unless I have experience with the person personally, I am not going to lob accusations that they're a drunk.

You make the statement you think Oden parties from time to time . . . you have no idea how much he parties, how can you amke such a statement with very very very very very very little eveidence (i figure the more tiems I use very the more I make my point . . . should have capped it too)

I know he parties. I don't know how much. I have not seen any obvious hallmarks of an alcohol or partying problem.

Sports "journalism" is the loosest form of journalism there is . . . link? proof? Looser than tabloids, the star, papers from UK. You make these bold statement and then jump on others who do saying they don't know what they are talking about.

Sports journalism is the loosest form of jornalism (no other looser form of journalism). . . you have no idea what you are even saying.

I misspoke, it is "one of the loosest forms", you can see Dirty_F_Baby's articles as prime examples of articles you should take with a grain of salt.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

9/27/10

But when the television cameras and notepads had swooshed off to the other Blazers soap opera – disgruntled Rudy Fernandez – Oden made an important revelation:

He no longer drinks alcohol. No longer goes to clubs. No longer partakes in late-night fast food.

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

1/30/11

Oden drinking


Well that didn't last long. Fell off wagon or just decided he didn't want quit. Is there a difference?

 

[Klinky]

but if there is something he can do to get better, something he can change in his behavior, dont you as a blazer fan (or even an oden nuthugger) want to see that happen or investigated if even a 10% chance it could let him play more?

Accusing him of being a drunk fatso with poor work ethic on Internet forums is going to make him heal quicker? Maybe it hasn't been investigated because there is nothing to investigate? Maybe they investigated and found nothing to be concerned about? I dunno. Maybe we should investigate if Oden standing on one leg and howling at the moon is going to make him a better player? Sure there's hardly any evidence that it works, but shouldn't we at least try it?

Also where did you get your 10% chance figure from? I'd like to see some math on that one.

 

[Nikolokolus]

9/27/10

But when the television cameras and notepads had swooshed off to the other Blazers soap opera – disgruntled Rudy Fernandez – Oden made an important revelation:

He no longer drinks alcohol. No longer goes to clubs. No longer partakes in late-night fast food.

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

1/30/11

Oden drinking


Well that didn't last long. Fell off wagon or just decided he didn't want quit. Is there a difference?

Well maybe he noticed that cutting out the drinking and clubbing and eating fast food led to the same miserable result of a microfracture surgery and another lost season.

If people want to make his struggles into some kind of mental or moral deficiency then that's their prerogative -- how else are people going to channel their anger and disappointment with a clean conscience? -- but it's not like lifestyle changes did him any big favors. Maybe, just maybe it's all shithouse luck and there's nothing to blame but poor genetics?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Personally, I doubt Oden's problems are primarily a matter of life style. It is a legit matter to discuss, but I doubt he was a party animal back in middle school when he blew out his hip.

OTOH, I don't know why people are getting so upset that the issue has been raised. Any pro jock who gets hurt this much is going to face questions.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Oden admits that he drinks, there is that famous picture of him partying. Pretty safe to say he drinks from time to time. I haven't seen any evidence to say that he drinks excessively.



[video=youtube;yqeu4XK7hH0]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2009/12/greg_oden_in_good_spirits_as_r.html



Gary Gray from The Gray Institute gave this quote on 1080 the fan. You can listen to it here:





So I guess I could say that you're an alcoholic. I know about as much about your drinking history as you do about Oden's. Provide me PROOF you're not an alcoholic. In actuality, unless I have experience with the person personally, I am not going to lob accusations that they're a drunk.



I know he parties. I don't know how much. I have not seen any obvious hallmarks of an alcohol or partying problem.


I misspoke, it is "one of the loosest forms", you can see Dirty_F_Baby's articles as prime examples of articles you should take with a grain of salt.

You should take your time more as I thihnk you have mispoken quite a bit.

You still haven't answered the question . .. eventhough you know Oden has a drink from time to time, how do you it is only from time to time? Do you have a link? So how can you say time to time when you have no idea.


You are lobby accusatiuons . .. your accusations is he drinks from time to time (implying he doesn't drink heavily). The proof you provide is you know it's only time to time because that is the only thing you ahve heard about. So if you don't hear about it, it must not be happening.

That is kind of your logic throughout this whole thread. We are all guessing and making opinions, you are the only one who considers their opinion fact and only can see things as black and white.

And again in this post you misspoke . . . you said you know as much about my drinking history as Oden's. Really? Do I drink from time to time? Have you heard about me drinking underage? Have you heard that I was going to stop and then saw me drinking again. Did I say I want to cut drinking out of my lifestyle?

You know something about Oden's drinking history (I understand your point is not a lot) but you know nothing about my drinking history. S explain when you say you know as much about my drinking history as Oden's.

 

[Klinky]

9/27/10

But when the television cameras and notepads had swooshed off to the other Blazers soap opera – disgruntled Rudy Fernandez – Oden made an important revelation:

He no longer drinks alcohol. No longer goes to clubs. No longer partakes in late-night fast food.

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

1/30/11

Oden drinking


Well that didn't last long. Fell off wagon or just decided he didn't want quit. Is there a difference?

Next time read the whole article:

And to be honest, Oden admits that he hasn't totally gone cold turkey. There has been an occasional adult beverage here and there.

"Hey, I'm 22," Oden said. "I'm legal."

But he said for the most part in the past 10 months he has been alcohol free.

"It's a non-thought thing that I wanted to take out, to not even worry about it," Oden said. "Just in case anybody talked about it a little bit. I just wanted to eliminate it."

and the follow-up with ESPN a month later:

"They kind of blew that up a little bit bigger than what it is," he says. "I'm not saying that I stopped drinking cold turkey. I have a drink. Occasionally I go out with my teammates. I don't do it as often as I did before. I didn't really go out and drink that much anyways. I just made a little bit more effort. I feel the same. I wasn't out there partying every night and drinking every night. ... This summer I really didn't want to go out. I just wanted to concentrate on getting my knee back."