Greg Oden back to rehabbing

[Ed O]

Are most 23 year olds playing in the NBA? Or number 1 draft picks? Guys like LA, Roy and others on the team don't drink at all during the season and some even during the off season.

How's that seasonal tee-totalling working out for Roy?

Or is it OK that he's hurt since he wasn't the #1 pick overall?

I can tell you what, if I was in pro sports I would be all about my diet and health. There is plenty of time tO party and drink after your career is over. The last thing I would ever want to do is consume alcohol and other toxic substances for my body when I am rehanging and trying to get back to health and back in shape. Seems quite counter productive to me.

Not to be rude, but I don't give a shit about what YOU would do. You can judge others based on your hypothetical actions, but I won't do that with MY hypothetical actions, let alone yours.

Ed O.

 

[maxiep]

Max, are you serious? The fact that he has had 3 major NON contact injuries does not provide 100% proof that it's not Odens fault. 3 of them just raises more questions in the opposed direction. Oden is seriously going to get that "unlucky" 3 times in a row, and it is no fault to him on any part? His training/diet/lifestyle/anything have no influence on frequency of injuries?

The only way I say it's "his fault" is if you wish to blame his genetics, specificially "loose" knee joints. When I tore my mensicus cartilage, I just placed my foot the wrong way in a football game and turned my leg. Voila, my meniscus was done. There's little in his diet or lifestyle that is going to cause his cartilage to go bad. As for his patella injury, that's how patella injuries happen. It's the force of the quadriceps muscle contracting that sends force through the quadriceps tendon that can hit the patella like a hammer to a chisel to a rock. Joel's was non-contact, and he also blew out his patella tendon as well as his patella. It was his third major knee injury, yet no one is questioning his diet.

 

[maxiep]

playing basketball would be a good start

Man, it sure would. If anyone deserves a stretch of good luck and health, it's GO.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

It was his third major knee injury, yet no one is questioning his diet.

his 3rd happens at 31 after mult years in nba. gregs happens from 18-22 playing 50 games. think things all the way thru. even then maybe it does have something to do with it. im sure this is black/white too tho right

 

[maxiep]

lol. Deleted. im butthurt that oden isnt living up to his #1 pick status and youre butthurt that someone has anything bad to say about oden. sorry but blazers>oden imo.

I'm sad for us as fans, I'm sorry for the team and I'm sad for him that he hasn't been able to play. I'm in no way upset at GO. Now, if he would have half-assed any of his rehabs, it would be a different matter.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

Man, it sure would. If anyone deserves a stretch of good luck and health, it's GO.

that would be fantastic. you might not believe me, but id love to see him get out there and play a full season. or 10.

 

[maxiep]

This wasn't a post of butthurt?

Nice try, but there's a difference between whining that other posters are delusional and postulating a theory why so many "fans" are so viscerally angry at Oden simply because he's been injured and decided to go out for a drink at a club.

 

[maxiep]

his 3rd happens at 31 after mult years in nba. gregs happens from 18-22 playing 50 games. think things all the way thru. even then maybe it does have something to do with it. im sure this is black/white too tho right

In Joel's first four seasons he played 33, 71, 32 and 17 games. By that time, he was 25. Oh, and he sucked.

You can give up on Oden, but we'll agree to disagree.

 

[maxiep]

that would be fantastic. you might not believe me, but id love to see him get out there and play a full season. or 10.

I know you're a fan. We just have a difference of opinion about GO and his commitment to rehab. Differences in opinion make forums fun.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

How's that seasonal tee-totalling working out for Roy?

Or is it OK that he's hurt since he wasn't the #1 pick overall?



Not to be rude, but I don't give a shit about what YOU would do. You can judge others based on your hypothetical actions, but I won't do that with MY hypothetical actions, let alone yours.

Ed O.

Something funny about Roy, he has, you know, done this thing called play in the NBA. And while he was doing that, racked up a R.O.Y. and 3 All-Star appearances. He has at least played. In no way was I comparing Roy to Oden on the injury front or one being more healthy than the other, but i was using Roy and other Trail Blazers to show that there are many who put aside drinking during the season or all together, and it doesnt seem like to much to ask/expect from a guy like Oden that is rehabbing.

As to not giving a shit to what I would do, then why do you give a shit about what I say? Why are you STILL posting in this thread? You haven't contributed anything except smug.

 

[Minstrel]

Ultimately, a lot of people prefer to channel frustration into anger at someone, which requires finding a reason to blame them. Otherwise, the anger wouldn't be justified.

If Oden continues to not play, he'll be a wasted pick. It also means the Blazers lost out on a franchise player like Durant. That would suck a lot. Sometimes things don't go well...it doesn't mean someone is at fault, as satisfying as finding someone to fault is.

 

[jlprk]

This long thread is a prime candidate for my innovative method of reading a thread backward until I decide whether to read more. Okay, I'm done already.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Holy shit some people are complete idiots.

 

[PapaG]

How's that seasonal tee-totalling working out for Roy?

Ed O.

Well, Roy has a history of coming back perhaps a bit too early from injury (playoffs last year), and he's yet to miss an entire season due to injury. He is expected to be back after the All-Star break this year after surgery on both knees, and is trying to play through a bone-on-bone condition when he would get paid the same for calling it a year and trying to regroup for next season.

Couldn't it be speculated that Roy's 'tee-totalling' means he is in better physical shape than a guy who likes to go out and party, meaning that Roy's body can heal more quickly due to his professionalism off of the court? I mean, if Oden drinking has no effect, yet you compare to a non-drinker, it seems fair to point out that the non-drinker actually is able to play after being injured.

Since you're calling out Roy, I think this is a fair question, and like everything else in this thread other than Oden's lengthy injury history, without a definitive answer.

 

[PapaG]

Roy?

Or is it OK that he's hurt since he wasn't the #1 pick overall?

Ed O.

I had to read this post again, because it is just so laughable. Roy is a 3-time All-Star and 2-time All-NBA member.

He has played through bad knees, I imagine, in part because he takes care of himself.

Criticizing Roy to elevate Oden is such an Oden Apologist tactic. People do the same thing with Kevin Durant, all to protect Oden, who has really done nothing to deserve such rabid loyalty, IMO.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Let me ask this: even with all of his injuries, why couldn't/can't Oden stay connected to the community in some way? This fan base was ready to lay down and proclaim Oden king of the franchise and area. Look at Pendy. The guy got shunned by the team. He got cut (for a knee injury at that too) and he still sticks around. Does programming on CSNNW, keeping his face out there. He became one of those fan favorite role players. I never cared for him too much, but it sure is nice seeing him stick around and try to be apart of the city and Blazers in any way that he can. I wish Oden would just try to show some sort of appreciation or desire to try and stay connected to the fanbase that appears to royally sweat his nuts (for nothing).

 

[maxiep]

Let me ask this: even with all of his injuries, why couldn't/can't Oden stay connected to the community in some way? This fan base was ready to lay down and proclaim Oden king of the franchise and area. Look at Pendy. The guy got shunned by the team. He got cut (for a knee injury at that too) and he still sticks around. Does programming on CSNNW, keeping his face out there. He became one of those fan favorite role players. I never cared for him too much, but it sure is nice seeing him stick around and try to be apart of the city and Blazers in any way that he can. I wish Oden would just try to show some sort of appreciation or desire to try and stay connected to the fanbase that appears to royally sweat his nuts (for nothing).

Perhaps its that every time he tries to relax by going out for a drink, he runs into some dude that acts like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Perhaps its that every time he tries to relax by going out for a drink, he runs into some dude that acts like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

1. Way to completely avoid reading and providing such a useless response.

2. yes, that's how it went down at the club. We were all screaming as loud and shrill as possible at oden. Since you were there and all, you saw how it went down. Right?

 

[PapaG]

Perhaps its that every time he tries to relax by going out for a drink, he runs into some dude that acts like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. pdx was jumping up and down screaming, tears flowing down his face.

When you have to resort to this sort of hyperbole, isn't your argument lost?

 

[Ed O]

I had to read this post again, because it is just so laughable. Roy is a 3-time All-Star and 2-time All-NBA member.

He has played through bad knees, I imagine, in part because he takes care of himself.

Criticizing Roy to elevate Oden is such an Oden Apologist tactic. People do the same thing with Kevin Durant, all to protect Oden, who has really done nothing to deserve such rabid loyalty, IMO.

Roy was held up as a paragon of what Oden should strive to be regarding drinking.

Why is not drinking important? Because Oden gets hurt because of it.

And yet Roy gets hurt. In spite of not drinking.

I'm not putting down Roy. I'm pointing out the ridiculous "logic" being employed to support the belief that Oden should change his life.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Roy was held up as a paragon of what Oden should strive to be regarding drinking.

Why is not drinking important? Because Oden gets hurt because of it.

And yet Roy gets hurt. In spite of not drinking.

I'm not putting down Roy. I'm pointing out the ridiculous "logic" being employed to support the belief that Oden should change his life.
Ed O.

Rather poorly, IMO. If the idea was to illustrate that a player's alleged abstinence was no big deal, using a 3-time All-Star and 2-time All-NBA player as the example probably wasn't the best idea.

Perhaps Kwame Brown? Oh wait, he had a DUI.

ZBO might be a good example, except for his own micro-fracture.

Exactly what was the point again?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Let me ask this: even with all of his injuries, why couldn't/can't Oden stay connected to the community in some way? This fan base was ready to lay down and proclaim Oden king of the franchise and area. Look at Pendy. The guy got shunned by the team. He got cut (for a knee injury at that too) and he still sticks around. Does programming on CSNNW, keeping his face out there. He became one of those fan favorite role players. I never cared for him too much, but it sure is nice seeing him stick around and try to be apart of the city and Blazers in any way that he can. I wish Oden would just try to show some sort of appreciation or desire to try and stay connected to the fanbase that appears to royally sweat his nuts (for nothing).

He does, like I mentioned to you earlier in this thread Oden was at a season ticket holder event at Big Al's last week. I got to talk with him, had our picture taken. He, Wes and Mills were very nice. Rudy and Batum were a little shy and weren't as approachable.

 

[Ed O]

Rather poorly, IMO. If the idea was to illustrate that a player's alleged abstinence was no big deal, using a 3-time All-Star and 2-time All-NBA player as the example probably wasn't the best idea.

The point is that there is no demonstrable link between drinking and catastrophic knee injuries. I am SPECIFICALLY commenting on a poster who mentioned Brandon Roy as an example of why Oden should not drink during the season.

I don't need to point to other players who were not mentioned by the person I am discussing the topic with.

Exactly what was the point again?

Maybe you should figure that out before you post.

Ed O.

 

[Masbee]

Perhaps its that every time he tries to relax by going out for a drink, he runs into some dude that acts like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

Are you kidding me?

So, now Oden is not only unlucky and completely 100% not responsible for every thing that has happened in his career, but now you have devolved your argument into the fans are responsible for his low interest level in his own career.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Let me ask this: even with all of his injuries, why couldn't/can't Oden stay connected to the community in some way? This fan base was ready to lay down and proclaim Oden king of the franchise and area. Look at Pendy. The guy got shunned by the team. He got cut (for a knee injury at that too) and he still sticks around. Does programming on CSNNW, keeping his face out there. He became one of those fan favorite role players. I never cared for him too much, but it sure is nice seeing him stick around and try to be apart of the city and Blazers in any way that he can. I wish Oden would just try to show some sort of appreciation or desire to try and stay connected to the fanbase that appears to royally sweat his nuts (for nothing).

And there we have it. What you really want is Oden to be a baby kissing, glad-handing politician. You want to believe that he's your buddy, your pal, one of the guys. I hate to break it to you but not everyone is a gregarious, outgoing, attention hound. Despite Oden's titanic physique I think it's been fairly clear from the start that he's a fairly reluctant giant who would probably prefer a life out of the public eye. A lot of this is demonstrated by his body language and he's made more than a few comments about being uncomfortable living in the fishbowl environment of a small city like Portland where everything he does is scrutinized and dissected, with all of this magnified by his failures to live up to fan, media and team expectations.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Anybody here remember Dale Schlueter?

Dale always seemed like a really nice guy.

Dale was a terrible basketball player.

See? It is a really easy distinction to make! Being upset/angry with Oden-the-player does not mean you hate Oden-the-human-being. You can feel sympathy for the latter and his plight - and still be upset that your favorite team got screwed.

 

[Klinky]

See? It is a really easy distinction to make! Being upset/angry with Oden-the-player does not mean you hate Oden-the-human-being. You can feel sympathy for the latter and his plight - and still be upset that your favorite team got screwed.

What anger do you have with "Oden-the-player"?

What sympathy do you have for "Oden-the-human-being"?

How do you differentiate between "Oden-the-player" & "Oden-the-human-being"?

 

[maxiep]

And there we have it. What you really want is Oden to be a baby kissing, glad-handing politician. You want to believe that he's your buddy, your pal, one of the guys. I hate to break it to you but not everyone is a gregarious, outgoing, attention hound. Despite Oden's titanic physique I think it's been fairly clear from the start that he's a fairly reluctant giant who would probably prefer a life out of the public eye. A lot of this is demonstrated by his body language and he's made more than a few comments about being uncomfortable living in the fishbowl environment of a small city like Portland where everything he does is scrutinized and dissected, with all of this magnified with his failures to live up to fan, media and team expectations.

Perfectly said. Repped.

 

[maxiep]

1. Way to completely avoid reading and providing such a useless response.

2. yes, that's how it went down at the club. We were all screaming as loud and shrill as possible at oden. Since you were there and all, you saw how it went down. Right?

My response was of the same intellectual quality of the post.

 

[maxiep]

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. pdx was jumping up and down screaming, tears flowing down his face.

When you have to resort to this sort of hyperbole, isn't your argument lost?

If your position is that GO should be every fan's bestest buddy and big toe, then we'll agree to disagree.