Greg Oden back to rehabbing

[PapaG]

I think you're being inconsistent and/or illogical, and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.

You want to know Oden's present... why?

Because it will impact his future? Or just because you want to judge him as a person and who he is now? Or some other reason?

If you don't want to answer the question, that's fine. You repeating yourself as an evasion is tiresome.

Ed O.

I see we're back to Ed O., circa 2008

1) Sets the parameters of the conversation to his template/agenda. "What's done is done", in this instance.
2) Gets an answer he doesn't like, mostly because the poster doesn't agree with the parameters as being relevant.
3) Narrows question to yes/no, not thinking that the question is meaningless to the person he is addressing.
4) Poster doesn't want to answer red herring question, explains self in lengthy post.
5) Ed O. can't accept this answer, must have poster see the topic as he sees it; asks "why won't you answer my question" even after poster walks away because the question must be answered as Ed O. wants it answered.
6) Noting lack of reply after waiting an appropriate period time, then proceeds to ask why poster is being inconsistent/illogical, when in reality poster just isn't interested in arguing a topic with no answer.

If you find this "evasion" tiresome, Ed, I'll add that I found the entire schtick listed above tiresome, and am sad to see you're putting it back into practice.

I look forward to debating why the past doesn't matter, and how the future is uncertain, many times in the future. Or maybe not. Hard to say, depends on if you go back to your old habits, or if you try to change things.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

FWIW

Ben Roethlisberger -- BOOZING at Texas Piano Bar

Ben Roethlisberger is paying extra special attention to his diet this week -- because when he was pounding drinks at a Texas bar Tuesday night ... he wanted his rum mixed with DIET COKE.

TMZ has obtained FOOTAGE of the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback hanging out at Pete's Dueling Piano Bar in Fort Worth Texas ... where he sang his face off from 11:00 PM until 1:15 AM the next morning.

Sources inside the bar tell us Big Ben arrived with two massive teammates -- and bought several rounds of drinks for himself AND the entire bar.

We're told Ben racked up an $800 tab -- and tipped an additional $200. People inside the bar tell us Ben was "nice, fun and took care of everyone."


http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/03/ben-r...s-fort-worth-video-footage-green-bay-packers/



So is this bad because it's right before the Super Bowl or really cool because he bought everyone drinks and sang to them?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Going back, my point on prognosticating was that, given what we know and making guesses about what we think we do, and I had to pick one of them, I'd pick Greg and his potential boozing ways and supposed injury-prone-ness over the next 5 years than Roy's lifestyle and former All-Star greatness. Because I'm prognosticating that having some drinks at a club doesn't make you more injury prone than not having meniscus in both knees does. Or having cheeseburgers at midnight instead of chicken caesar salad or a kashi bar.

I think that over the rest of their careers, Oden plays more games and makes more All-star teams than Roy will, regardless of whatever you or I think about his drinking and regardless of whether or not people calling him a dick b/c of his club behavior towards fans is justified. And so, imho, speculation about this aspect of his lifestyle is fine if you want to make him your son's role model or not, but has very little to do with what happens on the court. Did his drinking cause Corey Maggette's brace-covered knee to crash into him? Or Bynum's 300#'s to land on his foot? Or his being a dick to people cause him to lift so much that his muscles could snap his unhealed kneecap in half? Then why are we bringing it up as a root cause of his being a bust or not?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Going back, my point on prognosticating was that, given what we know and making guesses about what we think we do, and I had to pick one of them, I'd pick Greg and his potential boozing ways and supposed injury-prone-ness over the next 5 years than Roy's lifestyle and former All-Star greatness. Because I'm prognosticating that having some drinks at a club doesn't make you more injury prone than not having meniscus in both knees does. Or having cheeseburgers at midnight instead of chicken caesar salad or a kashi bar.

I think that over the rest of their careers, Oden plays more games and makes more All-star teams than Roy will, regardless of whatever you or I think about his drinking and regardless of whether or not people calling him a dick b/c of his club behavior towards fans is justified. And so, imho, speculation about this aspect of his lifestyle is fine if you want to make him your son's role model or not, but has very little to do with what happens on the court. Did his drinking cause Corey Maggette's brace-covered knee to crash into him? Or Bynum's 300#'s to land on his foot? Or his being a dick to people cause him to lift so much that his muscles could snap his unhealed kneecap in half? Then why are we bringing it up as a root cause of his being a bust or not?

I agree that Oden acting his age and having fun is a red herring. I still disagree with your conclusion. I'm betting Roy's pride and determination get him back into uniform - even if it isn't until after the lock-out.

 

[Masbee]

One theme that keeps hitting a brick wall in this thread is the irreconcilable difference between those who believe that "bad things just happen, they are utterly random, and there is nothing anybody can do about it", vs those who believe that all inputs can have some (maybe a very little, maybe a whole lot) impact on the damage that occurs during an incident and the success of healing and rehab that follows.

Put me in the second group.

Normally, I have little concern with others' private lifestyles. As was said before, why shouldn't a young millionaire live it up if that is what floats their boat. I am not a terribly judgemental type. It does not personally offend if Oden had promiscious sex with lots of women/men/sheep; consumed mountains of junk food; drank himself silly; even took recreational drugs. (Not saying he did any of those things).

I would prefer if he didn't, as I know that would reduce his chance at the best and longest career, but some folks are the "work hard/party hard" types (ie Charles Barkely) that seem to need that in their lives. There have been successful partiers in sports. Many of them.

Unfortunately, Oden is not one of those.

The more recent medical science shows that there are connections between people's health and: the quality of their sleep; the quality of food they consume; nutritional deficiencies; alcohol abuse (of which binge drinking qualifies); and attitude.

And all of this stuff is interrelated: Alcohol consumed near bedtime impares sleep quality; clubbing only compounds the problem; poor sleep affects injury repair; poor sleep affects attitude; alcohol quickly depletes stores of essential nutrients; eating a poor diet fails to replenish; poor attitude leads drinkers to drink more; alcohol is a depressant which causes those inclined to feel down; the mind-body connection dictates that those that are depressed or filled with anxiety heal more slowly and have worse health outcomes.

And it goes around in circles. In short, some people can handle a hedonistic lifestyle and most can't. Those that can't need to turn their life around. Making baby step adjustments sometimes isn't enough to break the cycle that will pull you back to your lower levels. The kind of thing Bill Walton was alluding to.

There are hints from years of exposure around this public figure that he MAY at times have abused alcohol, comsumed a poor diet and displayed a poor (depressed, lack of enthusiam) attitude. Because he has failed the team I follow I am bothered that it may be his choices and his attitude may have played a part in that failure. Just win baby and I don't care. Lose, and now I wan't to know why.

I think his genetics, then bad luck, then the medical/rehab/training staff are the larger forces in the tragedy that is Greg Oden the baskeball player.

That does not mean I don't think his lifestyle and attitude are not contributors and his choice to live that way hurt his chances for faster and more complete recovery to the injuries. I hope somebody in his life is able to convince him of the general truism that if you treat your body like shit, it will (in his case continue) to turn the favor.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

^^^ great post.

 

[Klinky]

One theme that keeps hitting a brick wall in this thread is the irreconcilable difference between those who believe that "bad things just happen, they are utterly random, and there is nothing anybody can do about it", vs those who believe that all inputs can have some (maybe a very little, maybe a whole lot) impact on the damage that occurs during an incident and the success of healing and rehab that follows.

No, I don't think that people are suggesting that everything is random and is unavoidable. My view is looking at the most likely causes of Oden's injury history. If given a list of reasons why Oden has had recurring issues you might come up with a list such as:

1) Had previous injury history before coming to the NBA.
2) Big men in the NBA seem to have a history of injury problems(e.g. Bill Walton, Sam Bowie, Yao Ming).
3) The NBA puts more stress and strain on a players body than anything a player may have experienced before in their career.

Seems pretty sound & logical. I am not sure where on that list "Cheeseburgers" and "Alcohol" fit, they don't really. Because it's pretty asinine to say that that his knees keep breaking because he ate cheeseburgers and drank alcohol. Additional you really have very little proof he has a drinking problem or is eating unhealthily. The best you have as proof is articles stating that he never planned to quit drinking, didn't think he had a problem & that he has improved his diet. That doesn't mean that his diet was disastrous to begin with or that he had a drinking problem. On top of that, it sounds like he has tried to answer to the critics by taking into account peoples perception of his drinking & his diet and made choices to change things around, again as far back as 2009 he's stated he's improved his diet & is focused on coming back. Guess what happened? His knee still broke, again.

Now the major problem is when people start posting crap like what the OP said which is basically "Didn't Oden say he'd stop drinking?"(no he didn't), "isn't that all he did during his last rehab?"(no fucking way). Seriously, Oden drank his way through rehab and that's why his knee broke? What proof do you have that's all Oden did during his rehab?

Could lifestyle choices play a factor in rehabilitation? Yes they can. Even if Oden did have major lifestyle issues it sounds like he addressed them during this last rehab cycle & it still failed. It's just dumb when people decide it's a good idea to shit on him and make up negative crap they really have no clue about.

The more recent medical science shows that there are connections between people's health and: the quality of their sleep; the quality of food they consume; nutritional deficiencies; alcohol abuse (of which binge drinking qualifies); and attitude.

When did Oden binge drink? There's also studies that suggest moderate alcohol use can improve health. There are also people who are geared to a-typical sleep patterns. Many athletes imbibe sports drinks which are actually pretty unhealthy(corn syrup, salts & colorings). What is unhealthy for normal people, may not necessarily be unhealthy for an athlete.

I've personally dealt with a body that likes to break itself & it's extremely frustrating when your body fails you & when people around you suggest it's your fault, "you must be doing something wrong". B-fucking-S. The body is complex & modern medicine can only go so far. You have a higher likelihood of your knee cap busting due to a degenerative disorder than you do because you ate a fucking cheeseburgers or drank some beer. Also just because you're out at a club doesn't mean you have a drinking problem or drank your way through rehab... I have no idea why that is so hard to understand?

There are hints from years of exposure around this public figure that he MAY at times have abused alcohol, comsumed a poor diet and displayed a poor (depressed, lack of enthusiam) attitude. Because he has failed the team I follow I am bothered that it may be his choices and his attitude may have played a part in that failure. Just win baby and I don't care. Lose, and now I wan't to know why.

You may want to know why, that doesn't mean you actually know why. It can end at "if he has an alcohol problem or an eating issue, I hope he addresses those", rather than "Oden has a drinking problem & drank his way through rehab, he reinjured his knee because he ate too much late night fast food and went clubbing too often". What people often fall back on is these absolutes, that "Oden said it" or it's "well known", as I've pointed out throughout the thread there is really very poor evidence that any of that is actually true. This also points out that Oden could probably be a drug addict who ate 12 cheeseburgers nightly, just so long as he produced no one would really give a shit or "be concerned" all of a sudden.

I hope somebody in his life is able to convince him of the general truism that if you treat your body like shit, it will (in his case continue) to turn the favor.

Again you are assuming that he is treating his body like shit. You know those kids with childhood cancer? Did they treat their bodies like shit? Was it their parents fault? Brandon Roy, how do you know he's not a drunk or drug addict or eats shit food? His knees keep failing on him. Because he says so? As others have pointed out, those with drinking problems rarely admit it. I guess we can assume Roy is treating his body like shit, drank himself through rehab & smoked dope(remember that pot-friendly music video!!!???) over the last couple of months, right? We have such hard evidence of that fact. Or is it more likely that Roy has a degenerative knee disorder that eats away at the cartilage and meniscus in his knee? If you can believe that, why is it so hard to believe that Oden could have a similar issue?

 

[PapaG]

You know those kids with childhood cancer? Did they treat their bodies like shit? Was it their parents fault?

This thread is at a new low. LOL

Now Oden is being compared to kids with cancer. Greg Oden, the martyr. That's a new one. Congrats.

Brandon Roy, how do you know he's not a drunk or drug addict or eats shit food?

Nobody knows that, although he isn't seen at various clubs, and never mentioned cutting back on alcohol to the media. That said, even if he is a drug addict or an alcoholic, he still managed to make 3 All-Star teams and 2 All-NBA teams. So, he's up on Oden there...

His knees keep failing on him. Because he says so? As others have pointed out, those with drinking problems rarely admit it. I guess we can assume Roy is treating his body like shit, drank himself through rehab & smoked dope(remember that pot-friendly music video!!!???) over the last couple of months, right?

Or, it could be assumed that because Roy took care of himself, even after knee injuries in college, that he was able to be productive for 4 years. By your measure, one could assume that if Roy drank and ate poorly, as Oden may have done, he'd be considered a bust?

We have such hard evidence of that fact. Or is it more likely that Roy has a degenerative knee disorder that eats away at the cartilage and meniscus in his knee? If you can believe that, why is it so hard to believe that Oden could have a similar issue?

It's not so hard. Many of us have been posting that Oden is injury-prone for years. The common Oden Apologist answer has been that none of the injuries are related, they are freak injuries, and it's all just bad luck or bad medical/training staff mistakes.

As I said earlier, learning a little board history before jumping all over long-time posters, who have established opinions on Oden, would be prudent.

As it is, you just seem to be an upset and rather angry n00b. Welcome to S2!

 

[PapaG]

I'll also point out, since Roy seems to be the comparison to Oden at this point, that Roy has never had a problem with carrying too much weight. Perhaps it's his alleged drug addiction that kept the weight off (first I've heard of it, but maybe Klinky has a source), but after his rookie year, Roy made it a point to gain more mass, so I find it difficult to question his eating habits.

Mass has never been a problem with Oden, and there is a video from Oden himself in this thread of him buying a bunch of processed and unhealthy foods at a grocery store. Plus, Oden himself stated he was cutting back on fast food in his interview with Quick. He said he needed to make changes, and mentioned alcohol and eating at the two changes he needed to make. He was being honest about these things with himself, yet people here still try to pretend that it never happened.

 

[Ed O]

I'll also point out, since Roy seems to be the comparison to Oden at this point, that Roy has never had a problem with carrying too much weight.

Roy: neither overweight not a heavy drinker. Fantastic.
Oden: at times overweight (for a basketball player) and an allegedly heavy drinker.

And yet they're both severely damaged.

I think that it's hard to blame Oden's injuries on his lifestyle. He could quite easily have lived the same lifestyle as Roy and been in just the same predicament.

Ed O.

 

[Klinky]

This thread is at a new low. LOL

Now Oden is being compared to kids with cancer. Greg Oden, the martyr. That's a new one. Congrats.

It's an example of how your body can turn on you. It doesn't mean his situation is more dire than a child with cancer. Spin it how you like.

Nobody knows that, although he isn't seen at various clubs, and never mentioned cutting back on alcohol to the media. That said, even if he is a drug addict or an alcoholic, he still managed to make 3 All-Star teams and 2 All-NBA teams. So, he's up on Oden there...

He only shows up in dope filled rap music videos!!! Yeah he responded back that it was a bad idea & doesn't reflect his lifestyle, how can we be sure???? I actually don't think that's Brandon's style, I am not going to take the fact that he showed up in a music video with dope references as hard evidence he's a drug addict, just like people probably shouldn't assume Oden showing up at a club or talking in an article where he clearly states he doesn't have a drinking problem, means he has a drinking problem.

Or, it could be assumed that because Roy took care of himself, even after knee injuries in college, that he was able to be productive for 4 years. By your measure, one could assume that if Roy drank and ate poorly, as Oden may have done, he'd be considered a bust?

Roy needed continual knee surgeries and obviously their conditions are not exactly the same. Roy's treatments takes a few weeks to a few months to heal while Oden's take about a year. If Roy really was taking care of himself, why did he need all those surgeries? And if he didn't need as many surgeries he'd probably still be playing!!! Let's jump to conclusions on that one: maybe he wouldn't have needed the surgeries if he wasn't smoking so much dope yo. Again, that's bullshit and flat out retarded to make that conclusion.

It's not so hard. Many of us have been posting that Oden is injury-prone for years. The common Oden Apologist answer has been that none of the injuries are related, they are freak injuries, and it's all just bad luck or bad medical/training staff mistakes.

Well the first knee injury no one knew how it happened, the second was due to banging knees with a metal brace. So at that point, I don't think people would probably be wrong in saying "hey might be bad luck, he probably won't have another knee injury". Now that he's had two more knee non-contact knee injuries it's looking very unlikely this is a "freak accident". Jumping to conclusions might be fun, but it doesn't mean your conclusions are always correct.

As I said earlier, learning a little board history before jumping all over long-time posters, who have established opinions on Oden, would be prudent. As it is, you just seem to be an upset and rather angry n00b. Welcome to S2!

Sorry my post count isn't as big as yours. My ego is shattered.

Mass has never been a problem with Oden, and there is a video from Oden himself in this thread of him buying a bunch of processed and unhealthy foods at a grocery store. Plus, Oden himself stated he was cutting back on fast food in his interview with Quick. He said he needed to make changes, and mentioned alcohol and eating at the two changes he needed to make. He was being honest about these things with himself, yet people here still try to pretend that it never happened.

Yes I know of the video because I recorded it and posted it myself. I also posted pretty much every other damn link in this thread that has any actual value. As I remember[memory may be fuzzy], most of the issue with Oden's weight was due to upper body muscle because he could not exercise his lower body due to his knee. Doesn't mean he was a fatty. The video itself has him shopping with his tubby cousin and doesn't show the full contents of what is in his cart. He also speaks of using his George Foreman Grill, you know, the one touted letting you grill healthy. But no continue to jump to conclusions, seems to be your MO.

 

[Minstrel]

One theme that keeps hitting a brick wall in this thread is the irreconcilable difference between those who believe that "bad things just happen, they are utterly random, and there is nothing anybody can do about it", vs those who believe that all inputs can have some (maybe a very little, maybe a whole lot) impact on the damage that occurs during an incident and the success of healing and rehab that follows.

I think you're distorting the "two sides" to tilt it in favor of your position. If I were to similarly distort things, I would say this:

We have those who believe that everything that happens to someone is necessarily caused by something blameworthy that they did and if you examine their life carefully enough, you can figure out why they deserve what they got and there are those who believe that certain things are significantly affected by individual choices and some things are not significantly within one's control...and it's not always clear what falls into which category.

Put me in the second group.

There is no question that sleep, diet, lifestyle all have effect on one's well-being. The two issues that stand out to me, though, are:

1. No one commenting here knows whether Oden is doing a poor job with his sleep habits, diet choices or lifestyle choices
2. No one commenting here has any idea whether the specific injuries Oden has suffered are significantly affected by any of those things

To be clear, I am not claiming that I know. The answers to these issues may in fact be damning: perhaps Oden is actually treating his body like shit and that is causing the injuries. My position has been, and continues to be, an unwillingness to just assume those things without any evidence. Do I have evidence that neither is the case? No, of course not...so I'm also not claiming he has no effect on what has happened. But in the absence of damning evidence, I choose not to damn someone.

Everyone else, of course, can choose their own course.

 

[PapaG]

Roy: neither overweight not a heavy drinker. Fantastic.
Oden: at times overweight (for a basketball player) and an allegedly heavy drinker.

And yet they're both severely damaged.

I think that it's hard to blame Oden's injuries on his lifestyle. He could quite easily have lived the same lifestyle as Roy and been in just the same predicament.
Ed O.

Of course. "Could have" will always be words pertinent to assessing Oden's career, IMO.

Perhaps the extra weight the Greg put on during his first season rehabbing "could have" played a role in the subsequent injuries that have derailed his career for the time being. Who knows? Perhaps, the extra weight "could have" allowed him to play in the 82 games we've seen thus far, and he'd have been even slower and more foul-prone if he "could have" not gained the weight. Perhaps he would have never played a game had he never taken a drink of eaten a cheeseburger.

It's really up for an opinionated debate, IMO. Anyhoo, what's done is done.

 

[Ed O]

It's really up for an opinionated debate, IMO.

It actually comes down to whether someone wants to judge and blame someone without knowing all the facts.

You, and some others, seem entirely willing (and even eager, in some posters' cases) to do that. I know that I am not.

If Oden had hurt himself in a drunk driving incident? Sure. Then I'd blame him. But right now I don't see any causal link between his alleged drinking and his knee injuries.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Yes I know of the video because I recorded it and posted it myself.

Ah, so you're one of the people with Greg in the video. No wonder you're so defensive.

I also posted pretty much every other damn link in this thread that has any actual value

I think all of us view our posts in a similar manner.

As I remember, most of the issue with Oden's weight was due to upper body muscle because he could not exercise his lower body due to his knee. Doesn't mean he was a fatty.

Yes, everybody puts on 50 lbs. in their torso by lifting.

The video itself has him shopping with his tubby cousin and doesn't show the full contents of what is in his cart. He also speaks of using his George Foreman Grill, you know, the one touted letting you grill healthy. But no continue to jump to conclusions, seems to be your MO.

Where have I jumped to any conclusions in this thread? I'm only basing my opinion on what Greg has said to the media in the past about changing his behavior. I don't know why he is always injured. I just don't understand why he wouldn't try to do whatever he could to lead a healthy lifestyle. Ed O.'s ridiculous posts about how your treat your body doesn't mean anything in terms of health aside, can't we at least agree that the general fact of science states that eating lean foods with veggies and fruits, limiting alcohol, and getting rest is the best thing for your body? Greg said he was going to change his behavior on 2/3 of those things.

 

[PapaG]

It actually comes down to whether someone wants to judge and blame someone without knowing all the facts.

You, and some others, seem entirely willing (and even eager, in some posters' cases) to do that. I know that I am not.

If Oden had hurt himself in a drunk driving incident? Sure. Then I'd blame him. But right now I don't see any causal link between his alleged drinking and his knee injuries.

Ed O.

Huh? Where have I assessed any blame? I've gone out of my way to not assess blame. Don't go all 2008 Ed O. on me again because you're flustered.

 

[Ed O]

Huh? Where have I assessed any blame? I've gone out of my way to not assess blame. Don't go all 2008 Ed O. on me again because you're flustered.

You're blaming his injuries on his lifestyle.

Are you not?

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

You're blaming his injuries on his lifestyle.

Huh? Where did I ever post this?

Are you not?

Ed O.

I'm not at all. That's a close-ended question that I will answer, because it is related to my posts in this thread.

 

[Klinky]

Ah, so you're one of the people with Greg in the video. No wonder you're so defensive.

Recorded it from CSN. Hey, you keep telling me I need to read the forum more and learn it's back history, it sounds like you're failing to even read a few pages back in a single thread.

I think all of us view our posts in a similar manner.

Hey, what quality links have you posted to prove your position? You seem to like to quote from links I've provided, as do others. When I asked for others to back up their statements, no one could find the articles until I started posting them & when people finally did start posting "proof" they were to third party blogs that didn't even prove their points. So yeah. I've posted the video, I've posted the oregonian articles, I've posted the ESPN article. Quality material. You & many others haven't.

Yes, everybody puts on 50 lbs. in their torso by lifting.

Not sure where 50lbs comes from. Here's another quality link:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_7_24/ai_n28042868/

Maybe 20lbs? Didn't sound like Jensen was concerned by it though. If you can post up something supporting your 50lb number. Also the article certainly doesn't make it sound like Oden wasn't taking rehab seriously.

Where have I jumped to any conclusions in this thread? I'm only basing my opinion on what Greg has said to the media in the past about changing his behavior. I don't know why he is always injured. I just don't understand why he wouldn't try to do whatever he could to lead a healthy lifestyle. Ed O.'s ridiculous posts about how your treat your body doesn't mean anything in terms of health aside, can't we at least agree that the general fact of science states that eating lean foods with veggies and fruits, limiting alcohol, and getting rest is the best thing for your body? Greg said he was going to change his behavior on 2/3 of those things.

There you go, jumping to the conclusion he has those issues & that he hasn't changed.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

You're blaming his injuries on his lifestyle.

Are you not?

Ed O.

every post that has argued against you has said his lifestyle COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury. again goes back to you and klinky saying there is no possible way and that your answer is the only answer, whereas the other side of the aisle is trying to say it could be and is worth discussion. youre very closed-minded when it comes to your hero arent you? free your mind and the rest will follow, ed. (yes i did get that line from an en vouge song)

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

I'm only basing my opinion on what Greg has said to the media in the past about changing his behavior. I don't know why he is always injured. I just don't understand why he wouldn't try to do whatever he could to lead a healthy lifestyle.

this is klinky's hero you are talking about! how dare you imply anything negative that has ever happened to greg oden could have been prevented by oden himself! this was 100% fate. no other way is possible.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Which part of Oden's lifestyle could potentially have been responsible for his body's behavior when Maggette's metal knee brace hit his patella and broke it?

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

Which part of Oden's lifestyle could potentially have been responsible for his body's behavior when Maggette's metal knee brace hit his patella and broke it?

how bout the non-contact injuries?

but yes, it COULD have. knees collide in sports all the time without breaking. maybe his bones are weak. maybe because he doesnt eat right. maybe it was just shit luck.

is it likely, no. but do i want to know some reason why our #1 pick is always broken? yuuuuuuup. it is not unreasonable for things like this to be discussed when the injured person when concern over his diet and drinking have been prevalent through much of his career (whether real or made up by quick). why is the questioning of this so hard to understand?

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

every post that has argued against you has said his lifestyle COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury. again goes back to you and klinky saying there is no possible way and that your answer is the only answer, whereas the other side of the aisle is trying to say it could be and is worth discussion. youre very closed-minded when it comes to your hero arent you? free your mind and the rest will follow, ed. (yes i did get that line from an en vouge song)

Just give up on Ed O, he may be a moderator but he sure doesn't read what people write.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Assuming he parties all the time is different than assuming he does from time to time. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Wait...

What?

.....

 

[Ed O]

Huh? Where did I ever post this?

All right. You're answering my questions. Finally.

Are you calling him a hypocrite?

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

every post that has argued against you has said his lifestyle COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury. again goes back to you and klinky saying there is no possible way and that your answer is the only answer, whereas the other side of the aisle is trying to say it could be and is worth discussion. youre very closed-minded when it comes to your hero arent you? free your mind and the rest will follow, ed. (yes i did get that line from an en vouge song)

Oden's not my hero. I know you've been here for four days, so you have my psychological profile nailed down, but in THIS case you're a bit off.

Anything COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury.

I don't care about that. Unless there's actual causal evidence I don't care. I am not going to criticize a player, personally, based on perceived moral shortcomings.

I don't get off on feeling better than the NBA players that I root for on the floor. I never have and I never will. Sorry.

Ed O.

 

[Dirty_F_Baby]

Anything COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury.

I don't care about that. Unless there's actual causal evidence I don't care. I am not going to criticize a player, personally, based on perceived moral shortcomings.

I don't get off on feeling better than the NBA players that I root for on the floor. I never have and I never will. Sorry.

this is absolute nonsense. people have on multiple posts shown evidence for their opinion. yet you dismiss it, because it doesnt fit with your opinion. and you should understand why blazer fans would criticize "moral shortcomings" they think could have something to do with why the #1 pick isnt playing. and why is this a moral issue? you think i care about his eating and drinking habits because it compromises his morals? how do you not understand that i am searching for answers to why he isnt helping our team win?

if you think I "get off" on feeling better than greg oden then you havent read a single post ive made. or have the ability to comprehend and understand what you are reading equal to that of a 5 year old. also, greg oden isnt on the floor. he's hurt. all the damn time.

 

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this is absolute nonsense. people have on multiple posts shown evidence for their opinion. yet you dismiss it, because it doesnt fit with your opinion.

Do you know what causal evidence is? I know it's a pretty big word for a fifth grader, so you might want to look it up and make sure I'm using it correctly.

There has been no causal evidence shared in this thread. There have been a couple of stories by Quick and a quote from Oden about how he quit drinking for last season.

Nothing indicating how alcohol can weaken knees. Nothing explaining why other players have bad knees in spite of much cleaner living. Nor why, if quitting drinking were helpful, why he still got injured while he was abstaining.

and you should understand why blazer fans would criticize "moral shortcomings" they think could have something to do with why the #1 pick isnt playing. and why is this a moral issue? you think i care about his eating and drinking habits because it compromises his morals? how do you not understand that i am searching for answers to why he isnt helping our team win?

Because the answer is right in front of your face: he's had injuries, the same way that so many other NBA players have.

Ripping him for going out to clubs is not going to explain anything, and it's not going to get him back onto the court any sooner.

if you think I "get off" on feeling better than greg oden then you havent read a single post ive made. or have the ability to comprehend and understand what you are reading equal to that of a 5 year old. also, greg oden isnt on the floor. he's hurt. all the damn time.

Are you going to deny you get off on hyperbole now?

Ed O.