Greg Oden: "I'm on schedule to heal."

[Blazer_Mullet_Man]

Oden played a large role in raising the expectations of fans. I don't recall Kevin Durant making similar comments prior to ever playing an NBA game, do you? Blaming the media and th front office follows a pattern for Oden apologists.

Grantfan, that ESPN cover makes me sick... Should have been Durant on the cover, but his quote would have been more in line with 'making his team better and meeting team expectations.'

Naturally, the cover could be all touched up like a girl mag, but dude, has Oden aged like 20 years in the past 4? He actually looks young in that pic.

 

[maxiep]

there is absolutely no good reason to bring him (or any player) back for some arbitrary deadline other then maybe the NBA finals. Especially given his history, Greg's physical progress shouldn't have a timetable based on fan hopes and expectations... base it on medical opinion of whats best for his longterm success

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STOMP

Perfectly put, STOMP. Repped.

It's the offseason. People have nothing to talk about.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Grantfan, that ESPN cover makes me sick... Should have been Durant on the cover, but his quote would have been more in line with 'making his team better and meeting team expectations.'

Naturally, the cover could be all touched up like a girl mag, but dude, has Oden aged like 20 years in the past 4? He actually looks young in that pic.

More importantly, Greg is going to have to play at least another 15 years to get to his goal

 

[Ed O]

More importantly, Greg is going to have to play at least another 15 years to get to his goal

He just needs to play in about five leagues a year and he can get 'er done in three.

Ed O.

 

[Rodolfo]

A feel good G.O. video.
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[mook]

A feel good G.O. video.
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I love the highlights with the two man game between Oden and Miller. First the nice lob on the break, then Oden dishing to the cutting Miller. Miller is the one guy on our team who will really know how to get his big man scoring at the rim, and how to take advantage of the cutting lanes Oden creates.

Funny to think that those two guys have only played a handful of minutes together, and never as starters.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The Oden pick wrecked the immediate future of the franchise. It has left the team mired in no mans land, unable to really contend, but not bad enough to have a chance at drafting a "star" player.

Oden is personally blameless in this. There is no question that his injuries are 100% legit.

What baffles me are the people who think Blazer fans shouldn't be frustrated and disappointed with all this.

 

[Idog1976]

Oden played a large role in raising the expectations of fans. I don't recall Kevin Durant making similar comments prior to ever playing an NBA game, do you? Blaming the media and the front office follows a pattern for Oden apologists.

Yes, when Oden invaded Poland and put to death ten million Blazers fans...uh oh wait sorry you threw me off with your insane use of the word apologist.

What has Oden done wrong again besides get injured? I guess he texted a girl a picture of a cock. Who gives a fuck?

Apologist? Give me a fucking break.

 

[Idog1976]

A feel good G.O. video.
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People don't want to feel good on this forum. They want to bitch and bitch and bitch like a bunch of 13 year old girls pining after the captain of the Highschool Football Team. I should remember that most people aren't really fans of the team they are closet Lakers fans. That is they want total dominance and the entire universe to revolve around their teams flawless performance. No chance of supporting the guys we have. Nope. Must tear down because their petty needs aren't being met by kids half their age. How dare someone not fulfill their desperate need for a sense of being a winner through vicarious living.

 

[Idog1976]

The Oden pick wrecked the immediate future of the franchise. It has left the team mired in no mans land, unable to really contend, but not bad enough to have a chance at drafting a "star" player.

Oden is personally blameless in this. There is no question that his injuries are 100% legit.

What baffles me are the people who think Blazer fans shouldn't be frustrated and disappointed with all this.

How has Oden mired us in no mans land? I think you could blame Roy for that last year or McMillan for not haning it up when Roy's hammy went out. Oden has barely been on the floor. If you are sad we aren't getting draft picks well blame the guys on the floor who are winning.

I swear we need a stickied thread at the top of this forum called "Whaaaaa why didn't we draft Durant/CP3/Jordan whaaaa!!!!" for all the people who want to cry, ENDLESSLY cry about a draft now 3 years gone. You like to say it's Oden's 4th season coming up so in a few words. Get over it and deal with what he gives you.

Where's the hate at KP and PA? They picked Oden. Nope blame the guy with the injuries. What about Walton was it his fault? Or the doctors? Or his body?

I'm going with number 2 and 3. Yet people's thinly veiled hate of Oden just makes me sick.

 

[Rodolfo]

How has Oden mired us in no mans land? I think you could blame Roy for that last year or McMillan for not haning it up when Roy's hammy went out. Oden has barely been on the floor. If you are sad we aren't getting draft picks well blame the guys on the floor who are winning.

I swear we need a stickied thread at the top of this forum called "Whaaaaa why didn't we draft Durant/CP3/Jordan whaaaa!!!!" for all the people who want to cry, ENDLESSLY cry about a draft now 3 years gone. You like to say it's Oden's 4th season coming up so in a few words. Get over it and deal with what he gives you.

Where's the hate at KP and PA? They picked Oden. Nope blame the guy with the injuries. What about Walton was it his fault? Or the doctors? Or his body?

I'm going with number 2 and 3. Yet people's thinly veiled hate of Oden just makes me sick.

I want to feel good on this forum...How about a Hug?

 

[Idog1976]

I want to feel good on this forum...How about a Hug?

LOL, yeah I'm not talking about you. I just get tired of the Oden haters. People really need to get over it. We'll see how he does and if he is a bust this year, well that's it cause we won't renew his contract or pay him what a bust is worth. Then we will be freed from this albatross as people portray him.

People calling Oden defenders "apologists" a term usually used for Nazi sympathizers or others who support the actions of people committing high crimes is just fucking insane. Of course it's PapaG/BGrantfan so really that's to be expected and my fault really for not having him blocked.

Oldmangrouch is at least fairly reasonable although definitely consistently seeing the glass 1/2 full.

Mullet man gives you what you'd expect from someone who's handle has mullet in it.

Still people's whining has REALLY ramped up during the dead period because Durant is playing USA basketball and Oden is rehabbing. People might as well be pissed we didn't move up to 13 and snag Kobe in his draft, or any of the other great players that we could have potentially gotten. It's just sooooo lame. Thank god we got rid of Webster so I don't have to hear about CP3 every time Webster misses a shot.

People want this retrospective draft where we get 2 seasons of watching players in the NBA play (or be injured) and THEN we get to pick our players. Sure everyone would love that.

I'd like to buy Apple in 1983 and Microsoft in 1987 etc. etc. GET OVER IT.

You have ALL fucked up and made stupid choices in retrospect I hope you all have gotten over them. If not, how's about spending a bit more time mulling over your personal failings and quit bitching about Oden all day it's beyond tiresome.

 

[BGrantFan]

People calling Oden defenders "apologists" a term usually used for Nazi sympathizers or others who support the actions of people committing high crimes is just fucking insane. Of course it's BGrantfan so really that's to be expected and my fault really for not having him blocked.

Yes. I am equating people making excuses for Oden raising fan expectations on his own as "Nazi sympathizers". You're onto me!!

cuckoo
cuckoo

 

[Minstrel]

I don't recall Kevin Durant making similar comments prior to ever playing an NBA game, do you?

Yes, Oden "hoped" to have a bunch of team success. What a selfish prick. Durant would never have made such an arrogant comment prior to ever playing an NBA game! Where does Oden get off hoping to be a part of a lot of championship teams?

 

[julius]

Yes, Oden "hoped" to have a bunch of team success. What a selfish prick. Durant would never have made such an arrogant comment prior to ever playing an NBA game! Where does Oden get off hoping to be a part of a lot of championship teams?

Oh, were it that Greg was as unselfish as Kevin Durant. We'd have at least as many titles as Durant has!

 

[BGrantFan]

Yes, Oden "hoped" to have a bunch of team success. What a selfish prick. Durant would never have made such an arrogant comment prior to ever playing an NBA game! Where does Oden get off hoping to be a part of a lot of championship teams?

My point was to illustrate how Oden helped raise expectations by his own words and actions, and not just the words of the front office and the media. Surely a fan can't be blamed for being a bit excited, and having elevated expectations, when the #1 pick is musing about winning 15 championships. Whether or not Oden wants to win titles isn't the subject I was adressing. I don't recall Durant, on the front cover of a national magazine, talking about winning 4 more more titles than Bill Russell won. I'll concede that the media can be blamed for allowing Oden the forum to talk about winning titles, though.

 

[BGrantFan]

Oh, were it that Greg was as unselfish as Kevin Durant. We'd have at least as many titles as Durant has!

Not the point ... at all.

Strawmen are fun!

 

[julius]

Not the point ... at all.

Strawmen are fun!

so is mocking.

 

[Minstrel]

My point was to illustrate how Oden helped raise expectations by his own words and actions, and not just the words of the front office and the media. Surely a fan can't be blamed for being a bit excited, and having elevated expectations, when the #1 pick is musing about winning 15 championships. Whether or not Oden wants to win titles isn't the subject I was adressing. I don't recall Durant, on the front cover of a national magazine, talking about winning 4 more more titles than Bill Russell won. I'll concede that the media can be blamed for allowing Oden the forum to talk about winning titles, though.

He said he hoped to win many titles, not that he was a dominant super-force that would win many titles. But you're right that Durant never said he hoped to win lots of titles. I guess he doesn't dream of team success. Concerning point about his character, you're right. What does Durant hope for? We're left to wonder. It's a good thing Oden made it clear that team success is what he hopes for. He's a team guy...awesome!

 

[BGrantFan]

so is mocking.

I agree. Next time, try to actually comprehend what you think you're mocking, though. You whiffed on this effort.

 

[BGrantFan]

He said he hoped to win many titles, not that he was a dominant super-force that would win many titles. But you're right that Durant never said he hoped to win lots of titles. I guess he doesn't dream of team success. Concerning point about his character, you're right. What does Durant hope for? We're left to wonder. It's a good thing Oden made it clear that team success is what he hopes for. He's a team guy...awesome!

What that has to do with Oden's words elevating the expectations of fans eludes me. So ... what was your point again?

 

[Minstrel]

What that has to do with Oden's words elevating the expectations of fans eludes me. So ... what was your point again?

My point is that "hopes" don't elevate expectations...they mirror expectations. All Blazers fans "hoped" for a bunch of titles...Oden was sharing that hope. Had he said "I will lead us to a number of titles" or "I expect us to win a number of titles," I'd better understand your point.

 

[BGrantFan]

My point is that "hopes" don't elevate expectations...they mirror expectations. All Blazers fans "hoped" for a bunch of titles...Oden was sharing that hope. Had he said "I will lead us to a number of titles" or "I expect us to win a number of titles," I'd better understand your point.

Well, Oden appearing on the cover of a national magazine hoping to win 15 titles didn't raise my expectations, but I don't think it is outside of the realm of possibility that him sharing this hope with the nation did elevate expectations for more myopic Blazer fans.

So, you don't think that the ESPN Oden cover could have played a role in raising the expectations for some fans. I think it could have, and did. Oh well! I guess we can just blame Pritchard and the media, since that requires less critical thought.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Where's the hate at KP and PA? They picked Oden. Nope blame the guy with the injuries. What about Walton was it his fault? Or the doctors? Or his body?

I'm going with number 2 and 3. Yet people's thinly veiled hate of Oden just makes me sick.

Did you actually READ my post? I expressly said it wasn't Oden's fault, and that his injuries were legit.

I don't "hate" Oden - hells bells, I don't even know the kid! I just want the team brain trust to stop pining for what Oden should have been, and come up with plan "B".

 

[julius]

Did you actually READ my post? I expressly said it wasn't Oden's fault, and that his injuries were legit.

I don't "hate" Oden - hells bells, I don't even know the kid! I just want the team brain trust to stop pining for what Oden should have been, and come up with plan "B".

Probably when there's actual proof that plan "A" is bad. You know, that the injuries are connected, show a pattern, and is something he'll have to worry about his whole career.

 

[ABM]

Probably when there's actual proof that plan "A" is bad. You know, that the injuries are connected, show a pattern, and is something he'll have to worry about his whole career.

Exactly right. The jury's still out. (BTW, I watched an interesting episode of Biography last night on Tyco CEO Dennis Kozlowski's mistrial, etc.)

 

[mgb]

Did you actually READ my post? I expressly said it wasn't Oden's fault, and that his injuries were legit.

I don't "hate" Oden - hells bells, I don't even know the kid! I just want the team brain trust to stop pining for what Oden should have been, and come up with plan "B".

What should plan "B" be? Tell the Thunder we changed our mind and want Durant instead? We got Camby at center now and will continue whether or not Oden plays. Do you think we should trade Oden while his worth is at the lowest and possibly watch him lead another team to a championship? What would you suggest doing that is possible to do? What are the Blazers doing that is so wrong?

 

[jlprk]

What should plan "B" be?

Plan B is to give up on him, that is, to trade him. Or to lowball his next contract and let him walk. If he goes down again this season, many of us will advocate Plan B.

Personally, I'm on the fence, ready to jump if his health fails us again this season. I don't like his lazy, business-as-usual, devil-may-care attitude at this crucial juncture of his failing career. He should be the most worried among us, not the least.

 

[mgb]

Plan B is to give up on him, that is, to trade him. Or to lowball his next contract and let him walk. If he goes down again this season, many of us will advocate Plan B.

Personally, I'm on the fence, ready to jump if his health fails us again this season. I don't like his lazy, business-as-usual, devil-may-care attitude at this crucial juncture of his failing career. He should be the most worried among us, not the least.

I just don't see this, in bold, at all. He's doing what he needs to do to rehab. Should he stress over his injuries to a point it's a problem? No. People seem to be so judging and have such knowledge of how he feels and what he's doing. Unless you are with him all the time you have no idea. Before he worked out so much with weights the team had to slow him down not wanting him to gain to much weight up top. That doesn't sound lazy. I like him sounding happy, to me that means he's feeling good and is making good progress, but everyone seems to know what he should be doing that he isn't while no one on this board has much information on what he's doing rehab or what his work habits are. Just what is reported and most is just people on boards like this.

 

[julius]

I just don't see this, in bold, at all. He's doing what he needs to do to rehab. Should he stress over his injuries to a point it's a problem? No. People seem to be so judging and have such knowledge of how he feels and what he's doing. Unless you are with him all the time you have no idea. Before he worked out so much with weights the team had to slow him down not wanting him to gain to much weight up top. That doesn't sound lazy. I like him sounding happy, to me that means he's feeling good and is making good progress, but everyone seems to know what he should be doing that he isn't while no one on this board has much information on what he's doing rehab or what his work habits are. Just what is reported and most is just people on boards like this.

It is strange how people are overly critical about certain players "rehabbing". I would bet a lot of it is because of how the media in the region likes to play the negative stories more.

Kind of like how they made a huge deal about how he was in Indiana, and certain fan types ate that up as though it was proof he didn't care about Portland, the Trail Blazers, or the fanbase.

It might seem like it's taking him a long time to recover, but compared to who? How long was it before Griffin returned to playing full on 5 on 5? His injury was a few months before Greg's, how is his timeline by comparison?

Just because fans think something should happen quicker, doesn't mean it will, should, or could have. It's a lot like trades...just because you can make it work on ESPN trade checker doesn't mean it was offered or doable.