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Natebishop3 said:
Except I don't personally know what stage he was in. It happened in March of 2008. If you want to go back and see where he was in his rehab, be my guest. He had surgery in, what, October? It certainly wasn't 61 games into his rookie season as you pointed out.
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The surgery was in early September.

I didn't say he played 61 games that season, I said he played 61 games after completing his rehab. He did. Even though he put on a lot of weight (mostly upper body bulk he didn't need), that first rehab was really the only successful rehab he had in Portland. He missed the entire 2007-2008 season - that's basically 7.5 months from the time of his surgery to the end of the 2007-2008 season. He played the following preseason and injured his foot on opening night (not related to his previous injury or rehab). Once he came back from the foot injury, he played in every game until he banged knees with Corey Magette in March (again, not related to his previous injury). He came back from that injury to finish out the season playing in 61 games and then played in the series against Houston. Even if you claim he didn't take that rehab seriously, it was successful in that he made it through the first season post rehab without missing any games due to the previous injury.

He then started the following season and was really starting to beast it when he fractured his patella - again not related to his previous injury. It was the subsequent rehabs after that that were unsuccessful - requiring multiple MF surgeries without playing a single game. It was also during those rehabs where he admitted drinking a lot and was seen out partying at all hours.

In the end, it doesn't really matter, What happened, happened and there is no way to undo it. Booing him doesn't solve anything and just seems petty and mean to me. Seems like something Laker fans would do.

BNM
 
According to this article on grantland ( http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-overall-pick-greg-oden-injury-plagued-career )


he was already headed down a destructive path of drinking and "doing things I shouldn't have been doing"


It's obvious that Oden didn't take his rehab seriously while making millions of dollars from the Blazers.

That is game, set, and match. And no, that doesn't mean I'm a hater just because I pointed out the obvious.
 
From this ESPN article: ( http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9519116/nba-obstacles-abound-greg-oden-return )

Oden spoke of a drinking problem he developed while rehabbing in Portland, even using the word "alcoholic."

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Oden, who has already made about $23 million in his career

So is the limit $25 million dollars paid from the Blazers where you are held more accountable for not taking your rehab seriously while under contract for the Blazers? Anything under $25 million means you don't have to take your rehab seriously?
 
Boob-No-More said:
Actually, it is true. I was referring to what actually happened, not what could have happened. The Blazers waived Oden to clear a roster spot so we could complete the trade with New Jersey that landed us the 6th pick in the 2012 NBA draft.

BNM
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We waived him after the trades so that we could keep fucking Jonny Flynn and Hasheem Thabeet.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Actually, it is true. I was referring to what actually happened, not what could have happened. The Blazers waived Oden to clear a roster spot so we could complete the trade with New Jersey that landed us the 6th pick in the 2012 NBA draft.

BNM
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After all, why did we have to clear space on the roster to get a pick?? Makes no sense.
 
KingSpeed said:
After all, why did we have to clear space on the roster to get a pick?? Makes no sense.
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The Blazers brought Shawn Williams over in that deal along with Okur, so they needed the extra spot to complete the trade. Which meant waiving somebody.
 
brewmaster said:
According to this article on grantland ( http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-overall-pick-greg-oden-injury-plagued-career )


he was already headed down a destructive path of drinking and "doing things I shouldn't have been doing"


It's obvious that Oden didn't take his rehab seriously while making millions of dollars from the Blazers.

That is game, set, and match. And no, that doesn't mean I'm a hater just because I pointed out the obvious.
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You might try reading the article. That statement referred to his depression after his friend died which was before he was ever in Portland. *rolleyes*
 
tlongII said:
You might try reading the article. That statement referred to his depression after his friend died which was before he was ever in Portland. *rolleyes*
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I did ready the entire article before I posted. The statement refers to him headed down a destructive path of drinking and "doing thing I shouldn't have been doing" before he was a Trail Blazer as well as when he was a Trail Blazer.

Yes or no question: Did Oden's alcoholism while a member of Trail Blazers help or hinder his rebab?

That's a simple yes or no question. Answer it.
 
brewmaster said:
I did ready the entire article before I posted. The statement refers to him headed down a destructive path of drinking and "doing thing I shouldn't have been doing" before he was a Trail Blazer as well as when he was a Trail Blazer.

Yes or no question: Did Oden's alcoholism while a member of Trail Blazers help or hinder his rebab?

That's a simple yes or no question. Answer it.
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The question is whether or not he has taken his rehab seriously. I submit he does and always has.
 
tlongII said:
The question is whether or not he has taken his rehab seriously. I submit he does and always has.
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There is no justification for your argument a drinking problem MUST have hindered his rehab.
 
I guess I don't understand the thought behind not waiving him. He would have been an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
I guess I don't understand the thought behind not waiving him. He would have been an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.
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The Blazers disrespected St. Greggers by waiving him. Should have been Thabeet, since he had healthy knees, I guess.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It may have been poor judgement at the time, especially after what happened later, but is this really a reason to boo the guy?
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I think what left a sour taste in many peoples mouths were his comments about Portland after he left the team. I don't recall them exactly, and don't care enough to search for the article. But he kinda dumped on Portland in the press (even though what he said was true, he could have been far more tactful). I still wouldn't boo him, but it changed my opinion of him from positive to neutral-leaning-to-negative.
 
"There's not a lot for a young, rich, black guy with a broken knee cap to do in Portland in between knee surgeries."

Or something like that.
 
Yeah his comments did annoy me. Not that he was wrong but after years of him having no comment on everything he could've been classier.

Portland is the most white major city in the US though.
 
The_Realist said:
The Blazers brought Shawn Williams over in that deal along with Okur, so they needed the extra spot to complete the trade. Which meant waiving somebody.
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Right. We could've waived Thabeet. Could've waived Flynn. We did not NEED to waive ODEN to get Lillard.
 
KingSpeed said:
Right. We could've waived Thabeet. Could've waived Flynn. We did not NEED to waive ODEN to get Lillard.
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Yeah, but, it's better for Greg and the franchise to have waived him. It just wasn't gonna work with him in Portland, and we no longer needed the weight of Oden around our necks. What happened, happened. No need to extend the pain. He'll never be the player he was supposed to be anyways, so no great loss.
 
StumptownHoliday said:
Yeah, but, it's better for Greg and the franchise to have waived him. It just wasn't gonna work with him in Portland, and we no longer needed the weight of Oden around our necks. What happened, happened. No need to extend the pain. He'll never be the player he was supposed to be anyways, so no great loss.
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I'm glad we waived Oden. But I was refuting the statement that we had to waive Oden to get Lillard. Not true.
 
We should have kept him till he's 35. Isn't that what we're doing with Leonard? Would Oden be any worse, taking up that roster spot?
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm glad we waived Oden. But I was refuting the statement that we had to waive Oden to get Lillard. Not true.
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Learn to read, then post.

I never said we HAD to waive Oden to get Lillard, I said we DID waive him to clear a roster spot to complete the trade that got us the pick we used on Lillard.

BNM
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Yes, BNM did.

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No I didn't. I said we waived him to clear a roster spot to complete the New Jersey trade. That's a fact, not an opinion. I never said we HAD to waive him. It was a choice. We could have waived someone else, but given the fact that Greg was not going to play that season, would have been a UFA who would not have resigned with us and didn't play the following season, it was a logical choice at the time.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Learn to read, then post.

I never said we HAD to waive Oden to get Lillard, I said we DID waive him to clear a roster spot to complete the trade that got us the pick we used on Lillard.

BNM
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Boob-No-More said:
No I didn't. I said we waived him to clear a roster spot to complete the New Jersey trade. That's a fact, not an opinion. I never said we HAD to waive him. It was a choice. We could have waived someone else, but given the fact that Greg was not going to play that season, would have been a UFA who would not have resigned with us and didn't play the following season, it was a logical choice at the time.

BNM
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You said we waived Oden "so we could" do that trade. That implies that if we hadn't released him, we couldn't have done the trade.

Otherwise, your post and its subsequent brothers are pointless.

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VanillaGorilla said:
You said we waived Oden "so we could" do that trade. That implies that if we hadn't released him, we couldn't have done the trade.

Otherwise, your post and its subsequent brothers are pointless.

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It doesn't imply anything. I was simply stating a fact. I never claimed it was the only option. The team HAD to waive someone to clear a roster spot. The team CHOSE to waive Oden. Those are facts, not opinions. Nothing implied.

BNM
 
GO had told us when he became a UFA he wasn't going to re-sign with us. He wanted a fresh start. That's why we cut him.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It shoulda been two blocks. He got Holiday and Davis on consecutive shots on the same possession.

I wonder if Meyers has 2 blocks in the entire preseason?
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Yeah this is a case of the boxscore acting weird. He got the closest thing to two blocks.

Shot altering is what matters on D. ;]

Shame on you guys for rooting against him, the guy is a ROLE player now he's not going to carry any of you to a title so it doesn't matter. He barely plays as it is, I wonder if he'll hold up even now, playing 4 minutes every two weeks. It is a victory for him to do anything. And I saw the injury issues coming, I wouldn't have taken him #1 with his previous issues at Ohio State.
 
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