Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

[SlyPokerDog]

If there was only some way to convince them to kill themselves first, then shoot everybody...

We could make them read the RipCityTwo Off Topic section, if that won't make most want to put a bullet in their head I don't know what will.

 

[julius]

None of those are choices.

They are all beyond your control, unless you're suggesting living in a bubble in your closet.

Not all of them are. They're false equivalences.

 

[MARIS61]

Getting shot at school is a choice too if that's the case. They live in America, they could have moved. Their choice.

College students/teachers are roughly 80% gun-control extremists and their elected representatives have bowed to their demands that schools be defenseless shooting galleries for psychos. You reap what you sow.

I avoid so-called gun free zones, schools, malls, like the plague.

I feel safer walking through a ghetto at 2 am than I do shopping at the Lloyd Center.

That is the result of gun control hysteria in America.

 

[julius]

You know, guns aren't even a top 9 cause of death in the USA!

I don't know why people want to do anything about it!
These are the top 9 causes of death.

Heart disease
Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)

Each more deaths than that by a gun. So we should do nothing. Reality folks!

 

[julius]

College students/teachers are roughly 80% gun-control extremists and their elected representatives have bowed to their demands that schools be defenseless shooting galleries for psychos. You reap what you sow.

I avoid so-called gun free zones, schools, malls, like the plague.

I feel safer walking through a ghetto at 2 am than I do shopping at the Lloyd Center.

That is the result of gun control hysteria in America.

Talk about a nonsensical comment. Besides the fact you would never do it, most people (if not all) are ASLEEP at 2 AM, so why are you comparing apples to movies of the 1920's?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Not the same. If I play football, I chose to play a game where i could get hurt. If I go out to the desert in December and I'm under dressed, I chose to do that.

If I chose to go to school, I chose to get an education.

Of course you would pick one of the few that could be argued is the person's fault. Not food poisoning or tripping. If those are choices that can kill you, so is living here.

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its...es/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

He doesn't know, so he blogs his ignorance.

The author:

Arthur Chu (born January 30, 1984) is an American game show contestant and columnist. He is known for his unusual playing style on the U.S. syndicated game show Jeopardy!. Chu attracted criticism from many, mainly for jumping from category to category rather than selecting clues in sequential order, a strategy known as the "Forrest Bounce", after former champion Chuck Forrest. After winning 11 games, he lost his 12th game, which aired on March 12, 2014, to Diana Peloquin. Chu is the fourth highest-earning Jeopardy! champion in non-tournament gameplay, with a grand total of $298,200. Chu also won an additional $100,000 for taking second place in the 2014 Tournament of Champions.

Chu has used his fame from appearing on Jeopardy! to speak out publicly on issues that are important to him. He has become a columnist and Internet commentator, and currently writes for The Daily Beast and Salon on various issues, including racism and sexism in "nerd culture".

After his appearance on Jeopardy!, Chu contacted publicists and PR firms to ask for suggestions on how to monetize the recognition from his Jeopardy! run. However, he found the proposals unappealing, and did not follow suggestions that he use the "successful" "game theorist" image.[26][27] Instead, he started writing a column for The Daily Beast,[8] and later for Salon.[28] Chu has written on various aspects of nerd culture and on being Asian American. He is a vocal critic of racism and online bullying, and is known for his opposition to the Gamergate movement.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You know, guns aren't even a top 9 cause of death in the USA!

I don't know why people want to do anything about it!
These are the top 9 causes of death.

Heart disease
Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)

Each more deaths than that by a gun. So we should do nothing. Reality folks!

We should use guns to shoot cancer.

 

[julius]

I wasn't posting it to prove a point (he was a little extreme and knee jerk in his wording), but just a point of view.

If Mags can post horse shit and claim he doesn't believe it 100%, so can I.

 

[julius]

Of course you would pick one of the few that could be argued is the person's fault. Not food poisoning or tripping. If those are choices that can kill you, so is living here.

do you know what false equivalences means?

Each one of those things involves doing something that is related to the result. Walking near a dog, being near a dog, eating food at a restaurant, etc..

Going to college, you don't think "oh hey, I sure hope I don't get shot today"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[julius]

 

[MARIS61]

Talk about a nonsensical comment. Besides the fact you would never do it, most people (if not all) are ASLEEP at 2 AM, so why are you comparing apples to movies of the 1920's?

Okay, you really do live in a bubble in a closet.

I have done that, many times in my life. I'm sure a few others here have also.

And no, most people are not asleep at 2am. The world continues to turn.

 

[julius]

Okay, you really do live in a bubble in a closet.

I have done that, many times in my life. I'm sure a few others here have also.

And no, most people are not asleep at 2am. The world continues to turn.

Yeah, most people are up at 2 AM in this mythical "ghetto" you speak of, and the Lloyd center is unsafe (btw, it's incredibly telling that you chose both the Ghetto and Lloyd center)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MARIS61]

Not the same. If I play football, I chose to play a game where i could get hurt. If I go out to the desert in December and I'm under dressed, I chose to do that.

If I chose to go to school, I chose to get an education.

If you chose to go to school unarmed, knowing schools are the #1 most likely place to die in a mass shooting, you chose to do that.

If you chose to remain in a country where your freedom from anarchy depends on The Second Amendment, you chose to do that.

 

[julius]

I like Mac's version better.

 

[julius]

If you chose to go to school unarmed, knowing schools are the #1 most likely place to die in a mass shooting, you chose to do that.

If you chose to remain in a country where your freedom from anarchy depends on The Second Amendment, you chose to do that.

ok, SlyPokerDog is a loon.

 

[MARIS61]

Yeah, most people are up at 2 AM in this mythical "ghetto" you speak of, and the Lloyd center is unsafe (btw, it's incredibly telling that you chose both the Ghetto and Lloyd center)

Telling? Get out of your bubble and you'll see less conspiracies fogging your vision.

Lloyd Center is what comes to my mind when you say "mall", because I'm 60, and a Native Oregonian. It was the first, I was one of it's first customers, and all others are pretenders. And I was attacked and beaten there many years ago.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

These unconstitutional INFRINGEMENTS already exist, have for some time, and have caused more mass shootings, while preventing none.

Your post is nonsense. Like all gungrabbers, you refuse to acknowledge the true problem, which is untreated and ignored mental illness. It is an epidemic in America and our president and both parties, AND YOU, have deliberately ignored the problem for their own ends.

70% of all gun deaths in America are suicides. That was 6,900 people in 2013. Twice the Twin Towers death total every year.

Pretty sure the only problem here is our leaders turning their backs on our sickest, most helpless citizens, a crime that voters are co-conspirators in.

Until you and all other Americans demand that we help these people, rather than use them as pawns for disarmament, I consider you to be mass murderers by proxy.

as someone who babysits suicidal and mental health issue having people daily i can 100% agree. these people, if they have insurance, are pumped full of drugs and sent on their marry way. as soon as the drugs wear off guess what happens? there are serious mental issues in this country that should be being researched and helped but almost nothing is done. big pharma gets their payment and hospitals get their cut,

 

[riverman]

I read an article today where the author was under the opinion that teachers and students should bear arms...this is ridiculous..putting more guns in schools would increase rage in my views. What do you do? Require citizens to wear body armor in public places just in case? There are a lot less mass shootings in countries without armed populations but then you have a place like Britain where the IRA bombed public places. Psychological entrance exams in schools should be part of the process of enrolling in school maybe? Take road rage as an example...I've seen insane cases of road rage in this country that I didn't see overseas. We have an aggressive population..if you get a drivers license through a driving class..they make you see carnage that happens from reckless driving..if you get a gun license you don't have to see what happens if you shoot somebody. I grew up with guns, hunting and when I learned my father gave me one bullet to find dinner. I had to actually hunt. I don't think it would have been good for me to have a machine gun at 12 with endless rounds of ammo. We don't limit the possession of ammo. Without large amounts of ammo, you are limited in the damage you can inflict with a gun. If you look at our history of gun responsibility in the 1800s, there was a lot of gunplay that led to death. Martial law is not a place I want to see the country heading with armed guards at the movie theater. I don't want to live in fear of the mall or theater or church or school personally. I'm much more afraid of somebody tailgating me on the hiway going 65 while talking on a cell phone, so in many cases, I'll pull over and let the chaos pass. We live in a culture where violence is the most popular form of entertainment

 

[Hobbesarable]

Telling? Get out of your bubble and you'll see less conspiracies fogging your vision.

Lloyd Center is what comes to my mind when you say "mall", because I'm 60, and a Native Oregonian. It was the first, I was one of it's first customers, and all others are pretenders. And I was attacked and beaten there many years ago.

Many years ago? That area has changed considerably over the last 20 years.

 

[riverman]

Telling? Get out of your bubble and you'll see less conspiracies fogging your vision.

Lloyd Center is what comes to my mind when you say "mall", because I'm 60, and a Native Oregonian. It was the first, I was one of it's first customers, and all others are pretenders. And I was attacked and beaten there many years ago.

wtf are you talking about? because you're 60 you're not a pretender? cmon maris...the bubble is clearly where you are existing from what you've said. Getting mugged is different from being in a classroom and getting assassinated by someone because of your religion.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

do you know what false equivalences means?

Each one of those things involves doing something that is related to the result. Walking near a dog, being near a dog, eating food at a restaurant, etc..

Going to college, you don't think "oh hey, I sure hope I don't get shot today"

i work at a hospital and i think that daily, especially since they wont arm us so i can defend myself and my coworkers.

 

[riverman]

i work at a hospital and i think that daily, especially since they wont arm us so i can defend myself and my coworkers.

If you're working, going to a movie or class or doctor's appointment, you could be armed and not be able to defend yourself..an armed trained policeman was murdered putting gas in his car...being armed doesn't stop senseless killing, never has, never will, Actually being armed opens the possibility of a crazy person overpowering you and getting a weapon they may not be able to get through legal channels

 

[MARIS61]

do you know what false equivalences means?

Each one of those things involves doing something that is related to the result. Walking near a dog, being near a dog, eating food at a restaurant, etc..

Going to college, you don't think "oh hey, I sure hope I don't get shot today"

Not if you're stupid, or in denial maybe.

If your goal is to avoid being a mass shooting victim simply avoid schools, churches, theaters, malls, and sporting events. Anywhere that's been declared gun free.

My sons dog was attacked by a neighbor's dog coming into my fenced yard while my wife held it on a leash. I've been attacked by dogs several times when hiking in the woods. I've been attacked by a dog when riding my bike. People are deliberately poisoned by people they know, people are poisoned by tainted , packaged food they eat at home.

Your argument has no merit at all.

 

[MarAzul]

no gun sales to crazy people?!? I can see why Maris is so upset.

I think that comment was intended to insult Maris.

 

[julius]

Telling? Get out of your bubble and you'll see less conspiracies fogging your vision.

Lloyd Center is what comes to my mind when you say "mall", because I'm 60, and a Native Oregonian. It was the first, I was one of it's first customers, and all others are pretenders. And I was attacked and beaten there many years ago.

All are malls are FAKE AMERICANS.

 

[julius]

Not if you're stupid, or in denial maybe.

If your goal is to avoid being a mass shooting victim simply avoid schools, churches, theaters, malls, and sporting events. Anywhere that's been declared gun free.

My sons dog was attacked by a neighbor's dog coming into my fenced yard while my wife held it on a leash. I've been attacked by dogs several times when hiking in the woods. I've been attacked by a dog when riding my bike. People are deliberately poisoned by people they know, people are poisoned by tainted , packaged food they eat at home.

Your argument has not merit at all.

that reminds me, I need to purchase more reynolds aluminum stock.