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And you wouldn't worry about all the ghetto kids and nerds in school capping your ass if you say something to them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 11 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but aside from Dickface Cheney, how many accidental shootings have you heard of?Remember that story months ago about the guy that shot the kids for egging his car or whatever, and I said 'serves them right' and everyone ripped me? People just turn to guns for every little thing that pisses them off. Guns give them confidence. I doubt there would be as thefts since people can just threaten with a gun, they'd have to use real strength and fight off someone. A former friend of mine used an unloaded gun to threaten some people and steal their stuff once(he's in jail btw), but without guns, you're not going to break into a home as quickly. A national gun ban would reduce crime, death, and other things unseen.</div>Lot's actually. That's a main reason If heard for gun control.No I don't actually. That guy is a dickwad. He should be thrown in jail for life. Stronger penalties.Turn to the stats. Violent crime rates are up in states and countries with gun control. In England, knives are being used so much now they are thinking of banning them too.Last post for the day. G'night all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 11 2007, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And BCB, how is it worth it if more people are getting killed? What is so worth it about that? To walk around and hold it and act cool? Or to go in the middle of the woods and kill animals?</div> You can't ban guns, so that means people will always have them. The key is, gun safety. My friends and I all know how to handle our guns. I took safety classes, I'm in a firearms class, I use it because next year I'm going to need it for my job. I know it's for my job, but I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm. You can't just play parent and go, 'well, guns kill people so people shouldn't have them'....it's just like anything, you have to know what your doing....like some people can't drive and they kill people being stupid. It's unfortunant but it's a part of life. You shouldn't take guns away because a small percentage of people abuse them. I don't blame people for wanting to have guns, people like Timothy McVeigh who thought it was hypocritical for the government to be taking away peoples gun rights....some people may call it radical but I see their point. People should be able to protect themselves.
 
The guy from Australia said there's less crime and deaths because of their gun laws...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 11 2007, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The guy from Australia said there's less crime and deaths because of their gun laws...</div> Honestly, Australia doesn't have many poor minorites or slums. That's why they have low murder rates. I've been to all of Australia's major cities and it's nothing like the big cities here, comparing Australia and the United states is like apples/oranges.
 
Yeah, that's just England. If they're forced to use knives, then that at least gives the victim a chance to fight back. Just blowing them away from 20 is not only dishonorable, but it's cowardly too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Apr 11 2007, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Turn to the stats. Violent crime rates are up in states and countries with gun control.</div>Quit saying that it's not true. The violent cities have gun control laws. Gun control laws didn;t make the violent cities..christ.I'm not concerned with crime. Crime will happen regardless. Killing people with a gun will not happen regardless. Your packing "soft crime" into this ban on guns.I want to ban guns to save lives...not reduce the amount of robberys ETC(though it will)...so any point in that matter should be put to rest.A gun ban will save lives. less people will die.That is enough for me.
 
But you can't ban guns....guns are such a huge part of this countries history, it will never happen, there are too many guns out there, they are too profitable....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 11 2007, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't ban guns, so that means people will always have them. The key is, gun safety. My friends and I all know how to handle our guns. I took safety classes, I'm in a firearms class, I use it because next year I'm going to need it for my job. I know it's for my job, but I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm. You can't just play parent and go, 'well, guns kill people so people shouldn't have them'....it's just like anything, you have to know what your doing....like some people can't drive and they kill people being stupid. It's unfortunant but it's a part of life. You shouldn't take guns away because a small percentage of people abuse them. I don't blame people for wanting to have guns, people like Timothy McVeigh who thought it was hypocritical for the government to be taking away peoples gun rights....some people may call it radical but I see their point. People should be able to protect themselves.</div>Does that mean countrys should have weapons of mass destruction too? Since we can't play parent and what not. It is their right isn't it!? I mean killing people with say a touch of a button, or say a pull of a trigger...not much of a difference IMO. Only a select few will abuse it!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 11 2007, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does that mean countrys should have weapons of mass destruction too? Since we can't play parent and what not. It is their right isn't it!? I mean killing people with say a touch of a button, or say a pull of a trigger...not much of a difference IMO. Only a select few will abuse it!</div> Yes, countries should have any kind of weaponry they please. I believe every country on the planet has some form of weapon of mass destruction already, but don't quote me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 12 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, countries should have any kind of weaponry they please. I believe every country on the planet has some form of weapon of mass destruction.</div>Wonderful. I wonder how long we'd last with you in charge before we all blew each other up.I wonder if people from countrys with less security and resoucres in the world would feel like that. Must be nice.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 11 2007, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wonderful. I wonder how long we'd last with you in charge before we all blew each other up.I wonder if people from countrys with less security and resoucres in the world would feel like that. Must be nice.</div> In the over 50 years of nuclear weapons....there's only been one thats been used towards another country. Nuclear weapons are a weapon for show more than anything. Nobody thinks of attacking a country with a nuclear weapon. Thats why North Korea and Iran want them so bad, they aren't stupid enough to shoot one off, they simply want to be a longterm nuclear power like Russia, China, India. The threat of nuclear weapons is overrated by the media. They are a last resort, and obviously the use of them will not be tolerated by the US/Israel...etc...So no country would dare use one.
 
Whoever said that people arent be murdered as much anymore is completely wrong. Every other day I hear about a murder that happened in Memphis...but unfortunely, more will probably happen if people didnt protect themselves. Criminals are going to get guns...hell, criminals who HAVE guns now are probably still illegal...believe me, if we could rid of guns forever...I would do it..I dont like guns by no means...but its a dog eat dog world...and thats how your mentality has to be like.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 12 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whoever said that people arent be murdered as much anymore is completely wrong. Every other day I hear about a murder that happened in Memphis...but unfortunely, more will probably happen if people didnt protect themselves. Criminals are going to get guns...hell, criminals who HAVE guns now are probably still illegal...believe me, if we could rid of guns forever...I would do it..I dont like guns by no means...but its a dog eat dog world...and thats how your mentality has to be like.</div>It doesn't have to be. I think everybody that seriously think more people would die if they banned guns need to rethink that. Sounds delusional to me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 11 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't have to be. I think everybody that seriously think more people would die if they banned guns need to rethink that. Sounds delusional to me.</div> I responded to you above. But anyway, it's a constitutional right to bear arms, so you can't ban guns. There, I ruined your little fantasy Combs....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 12 2007, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I responded to you above. But anyway, it's a constitutional right to bear arms, so you can't ban guns. There, I ruined your little fantasy Combs....
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</div>We still live by the constitution? Sure doesn't seem like it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 11 2007, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We still live by the constitution? Sure doesn't seem like it.</div> Why do you say that.
 
I like the right to bear arms, but not when the person bearing it is a f*cking lunatic who will just pull out his gun impulsively, and usually those people are young blacks.And it doesn't seem like there's a big right to speech anymore either. If you speak out against lesbians, you have f*cking rosie o'donnel bitching non stop and all the other gay activists and such. I mean, it's like, you can speak your mind, but if it's remotely offensive, then you can't. Complexity is society's biggest problem.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 11 2007, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you say that.</div>my guess is because this administration has been burning the lawbooks like it's going out of style
 
I love my gun, my dad has his handgun, hunting rifle and M16 from Vietnam. I shouldn't be allowed to own them because a bunch of hoodrats in Milwaukee kill people with them? Sorry.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 11 2007, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, that's just England. If they're forced to use knives, then that at least gives the victim a chance to fight back. Just blowing them away from 20 is not only dishonorable, but it's cowardly too.</div>Is that enough to ban guns from the responsible people who have them? Just because it shows you are a coward?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Quit saying that it's not true. The violent cities have gun control laws. Gun control laws didn;t make the violent cities..christ.I'm not concerned with crime. Crime will happen regardless. Killing people with a gun will not happen regardless. Your packing "soft crime" into this ban on guns.I want to ban guns to save lives...not reduce the amount of robberys ETC(though it will)...so any point in that matter should be put to rest.A gun ban will save lives. less people will die.That is enough for me.</div>So you admit, guns are not the problem, crime and violence are the problems.Do you not have it packed into your head that there is absolutely no way to eliminate guns? You could save a tiny amount of lives, but is that worth it to take away them from the people who hunt/use for recreation/have for self defense?But I guess that is the socialist way of thinking. If one person does something wrong, EVERYONE gets punished.
 
If ONE person does something wrong? Man I would love to debate this, but give me something to actually debate here. Canada has 3 times LESS murders(1 person is murdered there for every 3 here..that's a huge number) then we have in the united states. Don't tell me it's not possible to make some progress with this. It's far less then one person doing something wrong. I take it you don't watch the news much?You can't go hunting with a bow and knife? Is it that hard to learn how to shoot one or is everybody to lazy to learn?I understand it would be impossible to ELIMINATE guns. But you can try, and 2/3 less people will be murdered because of it. You can try to argue otherwise but I don't see how.Your argument is basically I want my gun to hunt and shoot cans in the backyard, so I don't want a ban on guns. That's damn selfish to me when you think about how many lives would be saved.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 12 2007, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If ONE person does something wrong? Man I would love to debate this, but give me something to actually debate here. Canada has 3 times LESS murders then we have in the united states. Don't tell me it's not possible to make some progress with this. It's far less then one person doing something wrong. I take it you don't watch the news much?You can't go hunting with a bow and knife? Is it that hard to learn how to shoot one or is everybody to lazy to learn?I understand it would be impossible to ELIMINATE guns. But you can try, and 2/3 less people will be murdered because of it. You can try to argue otherwise but I don't see how.Your argument is basically I want my gun to hunt and shoot cans in the backyard, so I don't want a ban on guns. That's damn selfish to me when you think about how many lives would be saved.</div>Good god man, it was an analogy. Canada has 3 times less murders because they have less population if you aren't talking rates. If you are talking rates, it goes back to the crime/violence aspect. We need to fix the root of the problem. Not just say "Guns are the problem. Take them away and everything will be alright".It's like when a person sues McDonalds because they spilled hot coffee on themselves. They blame the coffee, not their stupidity and recklessness. People blame the guns, not the overwhelming crime and violence in the inner cities.
 
I am talking rates, not anything having to do with population. 2 per every 100,000 in Canada. 6 per every 100,000 in the USA.I don't care WHO is to blame. Again, the bottom line is less people die with a ban on guns. That's it, end of story..why does there have to be a but? That's not enough for you?Guns are power. You give people power and they'll use it. Take the power away and they can't use it. So while yes, it's the person pulling the trigger who's fault it is.why not take the trigger away from them so they can't pull it?
 
Sorry if I'm confused, but I don't think Canada has one third of the United States poor black population, or one tenth our number of illegal aliens/gang members from South America....thats why Canada doesn't have our shooting death numbers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 12 2007, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am talking rates, not anything having to do with population. 2 per every 100,000 in Canada. 6 per every 100,000 in the USA.I don't care WHO is to blame. Again, the bottom line is less people die with a ban on guns. That's it, end of story..why does there have to be a but? That's not enough for you?Guns are power. You give people power and they'll use it. Take the power away and they can't use it. So while yes, it's the person pulling the trigger who's fault it is.why not take the trigger away from them so they can't pull it?</div>So your argument is that less people die with a ban on guns. Well, less people die if there is a ban on cars, end of story. Why does there have to be a but? That's not enough for you?Like BCB said, that's not the fault of guns. That's the fault of not having the same amount of crime/poverty.Guns cause crime like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Apr 12 2007, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guns cause crime like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.</div> That made me giggle.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 12 2007, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry if I'm confused</div>I figured you would be. Read slower, it might help :happy0144: .And Canada is full of gangs if you didn't know it. Toronto..Winnepeg, Edmonton...Yeah...They just don't kill people at the rate we do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Apr 12 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So your argument is that less people die with a ban on guns. Well, less people die if there is a ban on cars, end of story. Why does there have to be a but? That's not enough for you?Like BCB said, that's not the fault of guns. That's the fault of not having the same amount of crime/poverty.Guns cause crime like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.</div>OK this is my last post in this thread because it's obvious it's pointless and I am destroying you guys here.We need cars. To drive to work. To see people. To go places. Without cars, the ecomomy would be non-exsisted and MORE people could die from not getting to the hospital, not have a job to eat ETC.We need food. Without food we die. People eat to much and they kill themselves. Nobody kills them...they kill themselves..that is THEIR choice and I could care less if they make the decision that food is more important then their lives.We don't need guns. Guns kill things...that's what they're for.See ya.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 12 2007, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK this is my last post in this thread because it's obvious it's pointless and I am destroying you guys here.We need cars. To drive to work. To see people. To go places. Without cars, the ecomomy would be non-exsisted and MORE people could die from not getting to the hospital, not have a job to eat ETC.We need food. Without food we die. People eat to much and they kill themselves. Nobody kills them...they kill themselves..that is THEIR choice and I could care less if they make the decision that food is more important then their lives.We don't need guns. Guns kill things...that's what they're for.See ya.</div>You're destroying us? Hah. Get it through your head that guns aren't the problem. It's absolutely not fair to punish law-abiding citizens just because some kids shoot each other up in the inner cities. Here are some facts that show that Gun Control just won't work. But I know you'll just say "Well, guns kill things." And "Well that was just written by a bunch of hicks who want to go shoot cans in their back yard."http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/misc/flyer/G...olBrochure6.pdfhttp://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/gunfacts.shtmlhttp://www.mcsm.org/britsban2.htmlhttp://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/rk0405/http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123606 (#5)Get to posting some stats and facts. You can't be destroying someone when you are just spewing your own mind.Guns are essential. How many people out west do you think get their food through hunting? How do farmers humanely and efficiently kill their livestock to ship to markets? You can't expect these people to switch to bow and arrow or something. The cost would rise up and it would take so much more work to do.
 
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