OT Gun culture and supermarkets

[Lanny]

Bull. At least not legally. As a current Californian, you can't even get a box of ammo without a background check. And Safeway does not sell guns.

California:
1) pass firearms safety written test'
2) select a gun from the highly restricted list of guns that California deems appropriate;
3) fill out paperwork, provide ID, utility bill, and finger print for background check;
4) wait 10 days for background check;
5) finally pick up;

The most fun part is that even after you own a gun, and you want a second one, you have to wait 30 days, and another 10-day waiting period. You can even be licensed for concealed carry, with all the huge requirements and background checks that entails, and still have to wait 10 days.

It's not bull shit, that's for certain. I didn't say it was what's going on today, I said it happened sometime in the past. Therefor, since you obviously weren't aware way back then, maybe 45 years ago or so, please don't effectively call me a liar.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah that does sound crazy. We Americans love our convenience, huh?

But seriously, those stores shouldn't sell guns. Not just because of what you're saying, but simply because most of the time the people I've seen working those gun counters should not be responsible for selling guns. The Fred Meyer near me doesn't have anyone that works the gun counter really, you just flag down the nearest employee and they call someone to bring a key to open the case if you want something. It makes me wonder if they'd know how to spot a shady straw purchase.

So, how do you feel about private sales in the 31 states that don't require any kind of background check or even an ID? Should those people be allowed to sell (and buy) firearms? Are they more, or less, qualified than the workers at Fred Meyer? I suppose some are more qualified and some less, but one thing is sure, they are less regulated (not at all) than the employees at Fred Meyer. The Fred Meyer employees may not know how to spot a "shady straw" purchase, but at least they know the regulations and how to fill out the required paperwork.

Personally, I'm not really comfortable with either sales model. I would prefer all gun sales be conducted by trained, skilled professionals. Just like I prefer to get my prescription medication from a licensed pharmacist and hire a licensed and bonded contractor to work on my roof. Not all regulations are bad. Most exist for a reason.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Bull. At least not legally. As a current Californian, you can't even get a box of ammo without a background check. And Safeway does not sell guns.

California:
1) pass firearms safety written test'
2) select a gun from the highly restricted list of guns that California deems appropriate;
3) fill out paperwork, provide ID, utility bill, and finger print for background check;
4) wait 10 days for background check;
5) finally pick up;

The most fun part is that even after you own a gun, and you want a second one, you have to wait 30 days, and another 10-day waiting period. You can even be licensed for concealed carry, with all the huge requirements and background checks that entails, and still have to wait 10 days.

It's kind of mind boggling how much the process varies from state to state. I'm not an expert on the laws of all 50 states, but doesn't California have the strictest regulations on the purchasing of fire arms? Isn't it MUCH easy to buy a gun in Idaho, Montana or even Nevada, which shares a very long border with California, especially when buying from a private seller. If someone can't get a gun in California, what's to prevent them from driving across the state line and buying the weapon of their choice in Nevada*?

*My understanding is Nevada technically has a law on the books that requires background checks for the private sale of firearms, but chooses not enforce that regulation. So, technically, buying a gun in Nevada without a background check is illegal. In practical terms, what good is a law you choose not to enforce? I suppose you could charge someone with an additional crime after they've committed another crime with that weapon, but that's kind of like closing the barn door after the horse is out.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Bull. At least not legally. As a current Californian, you can't even get a box of ammo without a background check. And Safeway does not sell guns.

California:
1) pass firearms safety written test'
2) select a gun from the highly restricted list of guns that California deems appropriate;
3) fill out paperwork, provide ID, utility bill, and finger print for background check;
4) wait 10 days for background check;
5) finally pick up;

The most fun part is that even after you own a gun, and you want a second one, you have to wait 30 days, and another 10-day waiting period. You can even be licensed for concealed carry, with all the huge requirements and background checks that entails, and still have to wait 10 days.

This thread is gonna go OT.

So the FUCK what? You should have to go through more to purchase a firearm.

 

[BBert]

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

And just like transportation, our economy is 100% dependent on guns.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I agree, it's time to move to OT.

Carry on all.

 

[BBert]

All 50 states also require passing a test and getting a license before you can operate an automobile on a on a public road.

BNM

The state will also take away your license to drive for any number of reasons, including not paying child support. (Kind of ironic that people generally need a license to drive a car to get to work to make money to pay child support, but whatever.)

 

[LuckyShot]

So, how do you feel about private sales in the 31 states that don't require any kind of background check or even an ID? Should those people be allowed to sell (and buy) firearms? Are they more, or less, qualified than the workers at Fred Meyer? I suppose some are more qualified and some less, but one thing is sure, they are less regulated (not at all) than the employees at Fred Meyer. The Fred Meyer employees may not know how to spot a "shady straw" purchase, but at least they know the regulations and how to fill out the required paperwork.

Personally, I'm not really comfortable with either sales model. I would prefer all gun sales be conducted by trained, skilled professionals. Just like I prefer to get my prescription medication from a licensed pharmacist and hire a licensed and bonded contractor to work on my roof. Not all regulations are bad. Most exist for a reason.

BNM

I personally wouldn't mind conducting a background check on a private sale as long as it's convenient and cheap. Basically instead of meeting someone from Craigslist in a deserted parking lot we'd meet at the closest FFL, run a background check, then complete the sale. This won't stop hardened criminals, but it protects people like me who lack the experience spotting the straw purchasers or just bad guys in general. I would think very few law abiding gun owners wants to sell their guns to criminals who will use it in their crimes. For me it'd be worth it.

 

[tykendo]

This thread is gonna go OT.

So the FUCK what? You should have to go through more to purchase a firearm.

I am a gun owner, and I have NO problem with thorough background checks. Nobody needs a gun that fast unless they plan to do wrong. Patience is one of the biggest things that lacks among us. Chillout America. Not sure that the background checks today are very thorough at all.

 

[MarAzul]

Our federal government has spent decades regulating the auto industry to make cars safer, everything from safety glass to seat belts to airbags to mandatory crash testing.

Too bad our government isn't willing to hold other industries similarly accountable for public safety.

BNM

uh, Auto's are made to transport people. Guns are made to shoot them. Now what is it you want?

 

[barfo]

uh, Auto's are made to transport people. Guns are made to shoot them. Now what is it you want?

How about $100 billion? And a cheeseburger.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

uh, Auto's are made to transport people. Guns are made to shoot them. Now what is it you want?

Wait, I thought the position was that guns are made to shoot animals, and targets, and only when absolutely necessary, people. Did I hear that wrong?

 

[SIeepwalker]

Why would common people need to own a guy anyway. I don't get that

 

[barfo]

Wait, I thought the position was that guns are made to shoot animals, and targets, and only when absolutely necessary, people. Did I hear that wrong?

I thought it was that guns were needed so that we can kill any members of the US military that we consider traitors.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Did I hear that wrong?

Ha! Yes, some guns are only really good for specific uses.

 

[MarAzul]

common people

Does this have a standard definition?

 

[MarAzul]

I thought it was that guns were needed so that we can kill any members of the US military that we consider traitors.

barfo

Do you enjoy playing the obtuse?

 

[Boob-No-More]

uh, Auto's are made to transport people. Guns are made to shoot them. Now what is it you want?

Sensible regulation of each for the benefit of improved public safety.

BNM

 

[barfo]

Do you enjoy playing the obtuse?

That is literally some people's position on the 2nd amendment.

barfo

 

[Reep]

This thread is gonna go OT.

So the FUCK what? You should have to go through more to purchase a firearm.

Why? What more is there to prove? What more information would you need, or would there never be enough?

 

[Reep]

It's not bull shit, that's for certain. I didn't say it was what's going on today, I said it happened sometime in the past. Therefor, since you obviously weren't aware way back then, maybe 45 years ago or so, please don't effectively call me a liar.

You forgot to mention the pre-civil war part in your original post. Without that fact it wouldn't be true.

 

[barfo]

I've seen both guns and hard liquor sold at the same counter in a California Safeway.

You forgot to mention the pre-civil war part in your original post. Without that fact it wouldn't be true.

Did California even have Safeway's prior to the civil war?

barfo

 

[Reep]

Did California even have Safeway's prior to the civil war?

barfo

Okay, I forgot to use my sarcastic voice.

 

[dviss1]

Why? What more is there to prove? What more information would you need, or would there never be enough?

Sorry I don't care. Other countries don't have this problem and it's because they have strict gun laws. I'm all for strict gun laws and I'm done caring about how others feel about it.

 

[Mote]

I personally wouldn't mind conducting a background check on a private sale as long as it's convenient and cheap. Basically instead of meeting someone from Craigslist in a deserted parking lot we'd meet at the closest FFL, run a background check, then complete the sale. This won't stop hardened criminals, but it protects people like me who lack the experience spotting the straw purchasers or just bad guys in general. I would think very few law abiding gun owners wants to sell their guns to criminals who will use it in their crimes. For me it'd be worth it.

That's is very sound advise for anyone. I was the co-owner and FFL licensee for a business that did close to 50% of it's transactions related to the sale of firearms for about 10 years. The vast majority of retail sellers will gladly run a NICS check for a small fee to cover time on the phone and paperwork. My fee was $25.00. Part of the business was purchasing and selling pre-owned firearms. Every single purchase I made from a private citizen, even close friends and family, was not completed without a NICS call to obtain a clear status for the unit in question. Through the years there were several times I had to put a hold on the firearm until State Police could come for retrieval.

 

[LuckyShot]

Sorry I don't care. Other countries don't have this problem and it's because they have strict gun laws. I'm all for strict gun laws and I'm done caring about how others feel about it.

Other countries don't have a lot of the problems we have. Gun laws aren't the main, driving difference. You're a smart guy, you should recognize that. But as I can see you're closed off to the idea I'll stop wasting my time.

 

[andalusian]

Did California even have Safeway's prior to the civil war?

Safeway in SoCal is Vons, but even that started in 1906.

 

[Lanny]

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

Cars serve a vital need nearly every time we use them. Guns don't.

 

[Lanny]

Why would common people need to own a guy anyway. I don't get that

Mainly for hunting but for some people such as jewelry dealers and those make deposits of cash from the day's receipts, for protection.

Also, guns come in handy when you've got a beef with a guy and you're driving by his house.

 

[barfo]

Mainly for hunting but for some people such as jewelry dealers and those make deposits of cash from the day's receipts, for protection.

Also, guns come in handy when you've got a beef with a guy and you're driving by his house.

Or if you are a toddler who is tired of his sibling.

barfo