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No one is against people under 18 not being able to play m rated games, what is at issue is the NRA trying to deflect the blame off of guns and scapegoat other things.
 
I think the concept of violent video games are the cause of these crazy shootings is seriously reaching. There have been mass murders throughout history long before a video game ever existed. What I see wrong with video games are children aren't as active as they were and become unhealthy and fat. They aren't motivated to do productive things like ride their bike, homework, study, etc. I disagree that the video games are what is the driving force for violence.
 
santeesioux said:
No one is against people under 18 not being able to play m rated games, what is at issue is the NRA trying to deflect the blame off of guns and scapegoat other things.
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Read my links again.
 
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magnifier661 said:
I think the concept of violent video games are the cause of these crazy shootings is seriously reaching. There have been mass murders throughout history long before a video game ever existed. What I see wrong with video games are children aren't as active as they were and become unhealthy and fat. They aren't motivated to do productive things like ride their bike, homework, study, etc. I disagree that the video games are what is the driving force for violence.
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I blame this baseball and football game for kids these days being lazy and not doing their homework!
 
The NRA shouldn't be blamed either. Like they shouldn't try and advocate that video games are the stem of violence.

If I were the NRA, I would rather put more energy in their advertising and newsletters to promote proper handling and storage so the youth doesn't grab the guns and kill themselves or others. Maybe they do; so I won't hold judgement on that part.
 
westnob said:
I blame this baseball and football game for kids these days being lazy and not doing their homework!
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Mags is kind of on to something here, i went outside and played basketball too, but also probably could have spent more time out there instead of playing games and watching tv. I think the media fear mongering may lead to parents not letting their children outside too though.
 
Rather than point at guns or video games directly, would it not be reasonable to suggest that our culture has an unhealthy fascination with violence in general?

Whether it be the proliferation of firearms, the preponderance of violent games/movies, or the media glorification of violent criminals, all of it is symptomatic of a society that has become desensitized to violence.

To me, it seems like blaming guns or games for violence is akin to blaming your cough or your fever for making you sick. We can focus on the symptoms all we want, but the root of the problem is much deeper IMO.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Rather than point at guns or video games directly, would it not be reasonable to suggest that our culture has an unhealthy fascination with violence in general?

Whether it be the proliferation of firearms, the preponderance of violent games/movies, or the media glorification of violent criminals, all of it is symptomatic of a society that has become desensitized to violence.

To me, it seems like blaming guns or games for violence is akin to blaming your cough or your fever for making you sick. We can focus on the symptoms all we want, but the root of the problem is much deeper IMO.
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I think mental health is a big problem as well.
 
Taking away guns solves little.

It takes away a possible means to an end, but it doesn't fix the core (or root) problem. Take away guns, and there's still potentially a shooting like the one in Sweden. Or how about the dude in China that attacked a bunch of children with a knife recently?

Until we attack the core issue, these types of events will continue to occur. Blaming the NRA makes very little sense.
 
Someone on reddit (lol reddit) has a good point

It's upsetting that people are trying to blame the tool (the gun) and the hobby (video games) instead of focusing on the problem (people).

Guns may have been involved, but like video games, they are not the cause. Normal people do not commit crimes with guns, just like normal people are not influenced to do bad because of video games.

In a situation like this where all sides are trying to blame each other instead of focusing on a solution that actually achieves something without restricting and smothering the people, we all lose.
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As someone who has played video games and watched violent movies my whole life, I do wonder if it hasn't desensitized me to violence. Does it make me want to go out and kill a lot of people? No, but does it maybe lessen the overall impact of those deaths? Possibly. It amazes me how quickly people make jokes about things like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
As someone who has played video games and watched violent movies my whole life, I do wonder if it hasn't desensitized me to violence. Does it make me want to go out and kill a lot of people? No, but does it maybe lessen the overall impact of those deaths? Possibly. It amazes me how quickly people make jokes about things like that.
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I don't know if this makes any sense, but i have been desensitized to "fake" violence in games and movies, but not real violence. I still don't like the sight of real blood, and can't stand how fucked up shit in the news is. I couldn't even hunt with my uncle when i was a teenager.
 
Guns are inanimate objects. A gun will stay where you put it and won't go firing on its own.

It's just downright silly to blame the inanimate object.

The NRA is a fine organization and LaPierre should have simply taken the high road. "It's a free country. We are here to train people in gun safety and encourage all law abiding citizens that want to own a gun to own that gun. Whatever the cause of people becoming crazed and abusing guns is a problem with society and not our place to address."

"Elections have consequences. Don't blame guns, blame whatever it is your government has made society into."
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Taking away guns solves little.

It takes away a possible means to an end, but it doesn't fix the core (or root) problem. Take away guns, and there's still potentially a shooting like the one in Sweden. Or how about the dude in China that attacked a bunch of children with a knife recently?
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in China they don't have the right to have a gun and a violent crazy person went on a stabbing spree and no one died. 0 dead vs 26. I'm far from advocating taking away all guns, but banning assault weapons and large capacity clips to be very sensible/obvious step to reducing the amount of times this continues to happen. So does closing the gun show/no background check loophole and requiring the registration of all guns.

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In China, the govt. runs over peaceful protesters with tanks.
 
STOMP said:
holding tanks of water are utilized for water supplies of communities large and small

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I was speaking to how their govt. intimidates the population, restricts liberties, imposes slave labor, etc. I am not sure that pointing at them and saying, "what they're doing is awesome!" is very compelling.
 
Denny Crane said:
I was speaking to how their govt. intimidates the population, restricts liberties, imposes slave labor, etc. I am not sure that pointing at them and saying, "what they're doing is awesome!" is very compelling.
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your reading comprehension sucks... hopefully thats a simple enough sentence for you not to be confused again

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santeesioux said:
No one is against people under 18 not being able to play m rated games, what is at issue is the NRA trying to deflect the blame off of guns and scapegoat other things.
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I watch the whole press conference, the part that is being referenced is only a small portion of what he believes the mind set of the youth today are force fed, he was not placing the entire blame on games and movies
 
magnifier661 said:
What I see wrong with video games are children aren't as active as they were and become unhealthy and fat.
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THIS! Obesity is a HUGE (no pun intended) healthcare issue in our country. I costs us all in higher healthcare and insurance costs. Many of the medical issues facing our aging population are 100% caused by lifestyle choices. But, in today's politically correct society, you're considered an insensitive jerk if you even mention that someone needs to lose a few pounds - for their own good. And, it just keeps getting worse. Our current generation of youth will be the most overweight in history.

Hundreds of thousands of people die in this country every year due to weight related, preventable illnesses (heart disease - 600,000, diabetes - 75,000, etc.). Yet, 20 people get shot (yes, it is a horrible, horrible tragedy for the victims and their families, I don't mean to imply it isn't - especially given the age of the victims) and it sparks a national debate. About 9,000 people are killed by guns in this country every year. Of course, that's too many and many could be prevented, but with nearly three quarters of a million dying from obesity related diseases, I'd like to see our government spend some time and resources working on that issue, for the benefit of us all.

And, it's not just the premature deaths caused by obesity, it also impacts the quality of life and the cost of medical care. My girlfriend is a nurse, she works in med/surg and you wouldn't believe how many people in their 40s are having hip and knee replacement surgery because their bodies cannot support their weight. The cost of caring for these patients is born by us all in terms of higher health care costs and higher insurance rates. Many of these people are on permanent disability by the time they reach 45, basically because they are too fat to work. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true.

If there is one place our educational system has truly failed us, it's health and physical fitness. Those classes are a joke - usually taught by some coach who is only teaching those classes so he can coach the basketball or football team.

A healthy lifestyle is a choice, but many people don't even know how to eat right. Why aren't we teaching this to our kids in school? This will have a bigger impact on the quality of their lives than any other class they take in elementary school or middle school. And, it's not rocket science.

Sorry for the tangential rant, but until we start a serious dialogue about the obesity epidemic afflicting this country, I don't even want to hear about the gun control debate.

Want to save lives? Ban fast food.

BNM
 
santeesioux said:
Real Americans are against people under 18 not being able to play m rated games and guns being regulated out of the hands of citizens. What is at issue is the MEDIA and anti-America crowd trying to deflect the blame from the lack of mental health care available in our country by blaming inanimate objects.
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STOMP said:
in China they don't have the right to have a gun...
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So move the fuck to China.

It'll be a lot less violent than trying to disarm Real Americans, and I think your mindset would fit right in over there.
 
MARIS61 said:
So move the fuck to China.

It'll be a lot less violent than trying to disarm Real Americans, and I think your mindset would fit right in over there.
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why pride yourself on being an idiot? Anyone can read my full post and see that you're being completely disengenuous

btw... yet another assualt weapon shooting spree happened over the holidays where a gunman was picking off emergency responders after he let his house on fire. Tragedies like this are happeing so often it's becoming the norm.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2012/12/man_who_shot_firefighters_left.html

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