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Idaho state legislators are discussing a plan that would allow teachers and possible school level administrators to have guns in their classrooms/school. Only teachers that volunteer would be considered, and then they must complete a training class.

One of the items being debated is if the guns should be locked up in a safe within the classroom, allow the teachers to conceal carry, or some other plan.

The goal is to make the students safer against a mass shooter. In the past, teachers have placed themselves between the shooter and their students. Some teachers have died for their bravery. More students and teachers would be alive today if the teachers were allowed to carry a gun, and properly trained how to use it.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Idaho state legislators are discussing a plan that would allow teachers and possible school level administrators to have guns in their classrooms/school. Only teachers that volunteer would be considered, and then they must complete a training class.

One of the items being debated is if the guns should be locked up in a safe within the classroom, allow the teachers to conceal carry, or some other plan.

The goal is to make the students safer against a mass shooter. In the past, teachers have placed themselves between the shooter and their students. Some teachers have died for their bravery. More students and teachers would be alive today if the teachers were allowed to carry a gun, and properly trained to use it.
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A kid's gonna die if that happens.
 
oldfisherman said:
Idaho state legislators are discussing a plan that would allow teachers and possible school level administrators to have guns in their classrooms/school. Only teachers that volunteer would be considered, and then they must complete a training class.

One of the items being debated is if the guns should be locked up in a safe within the classroom, allow the teachers to conceal carry, or some other plan.

The goal is to make the students safer against a mass shooter. In the past, teachers have placed themselves between the shooter and their students. Some teachers have died for their bravery. More students and teachers would be alive today if the teachers were allowed to carry a gun, and properly trained to use it.
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At Newtown and at Columbine there were armed guards.... yeah...
 
dviss1 said:
At Newtown and at Columbine there were armed guards.... yeah...
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So you are saying 1 or 2 against one is better than 20 against one?

BTW.
It will cost the govt. waaayyyy less to arm 20 heroic teachers then it has cost for 1 or 2 armed security guards, who have little motivation to do anything.
 
oldfisherman said:
So you are saying 1 or 2 against one is better than 20 against one?

BTW.
It will cost the govt. waaayyyy less to arm 20 heroic teachers then it has cost for 1 or 2 armed security guards, who have little motivation to do anything.
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Don't bring red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives to the debate. The bolded part of your statement is a load of crap.
 
dviss1 said:
Don't bring red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives to the debate. The bolded part of your statement is a load of crap.
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Whoa there cowboy. I was responding to the red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives brought up by someone else. He strongly implied that having armed guards at Newtown and at Columbine did no good at all. Here is his post. Take up your wagon load of shit up with him.

dviss1 said:
At Newtown and at Columbine there were armed guards.... yeah...
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Oh, that was you…
 
dviss1 said:
A kid's gonna die if that happens.
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Not if it's locked in a safe or concealed on their person. If it's concealed on their person.....how do you know they're carrying a gun?

Personally, I think it's a brilliant idea. I don't know why it's taken so long for Liberals to get with the program. They would rather have your child cowering under a desk, with an unarmed teacher swinging a yard stick at the perp.
 
The best predictor for gun violence is not the presence of gun control laws, it is if the demographics of the area are black or latino. And that's not just in America, that's worldwide.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The best predictor for gun violence is not the presence of gun control laws, it is if the demographics of the area are black or latino. And that's not just in America, that's worldwide.
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Dude, blacks and Latinos are perfectly capable of exercising safe and responsible gun ownership.

Just look at Colion Noir.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir
 
dviss1 said:
At Newtown and at Columbine there were armed guards.... yeah...
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The armed guards saved lives.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/armed-school-guard-at-columbine-saved-lives/

Yes, there was, and it was the guard's presence and the resistance he and others offered that kept the carnage less than it might have been.

On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library.

Harris and Klebold also carried improvised explosive devices, some that detonated, others that didn't. One thing is certain — the armed resistance of Gardner and his backup bought time and saved lives.

There is no way of knowing how many lives were saved that day by an armed sheriff's deputy, and how many would have been slaughtered if nobody had been there with a gun at all.

We have noted that days before Sandy Hook, an armed citizen stopped a shooter threatening a massacre at a mall in Clackamas, Ore. It echoed what happened in 2007 during a rampage in Trolley Square, Utah, which was put to an end after an officer who was on a date with his wife, confronted the shooter and kept the 18-year-old shooter pinned down until more police arrived and killed the shooter.
 






I love this dude. I've followed him since before he was hired on with the NRA. This guy knows what he's talking about.
 
oldfisherman said:
Whoa there cowboy. I was responding to the red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives brought up by someone else. He strongly implied that having armed guards at Newtown and at Columbine did no good at all. Here is his post. Take up your wagon load of shit up with him.



Oh, that was you…
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You and Denny both misinterpreted that post. I'm glad that the armed guard was there. The armed guard is what creates no need for teachers to have guns. He was my argument for not arming teachers. Now re-read the post.
 
Denny Crane said:
The armed guards saved lives.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/armed-school-guard-at-columbine-saved-lives/

Yes, there was, and it was the guard's presence and the resistance he and others offered that kept the carnage less than it might have been.

On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library.

Harris and Klebold also carried improvised explosive devices, some that detonated, others that didn't. One thing is certain — the armed resistance of Gardner and his backup bought time and saved lives.

There is no way of knowing how many lives were saved that day by an armed sheriff's deputy, and how many would have been slaughtered if nobody had been there with a gun at all.

We have noted that days before Sandy Hook, an armed citizen stopped a shooter threatening a massacre at a mall in Clackamas, Ore. It echoed what happened in 2007 during a rampage in Trolley Square, Utah, which was put to an end after an officer who was on a date with his wife, confronted the shooter and kept the 18-year-old shooter pinned down until more police arrived and killed the shooter.
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You misinterpreted my post. My argument was for the armed guard.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The best predictor for gun violence is not the presence of gun control laws, it is if the demographics of the area are black or latino. And that's not just in America, that's worldwide.
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There you go with that identity bullshit again. You like to do this for some reason.
 
Jade Falcon said:
You bet, thank you.

Here's another great one:

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Interesting-- he speaks out about covert racism and happening when he's around liberals, LOL. That continues to be my main gripe with these people which spills out against everyone now a days.
I liked his segment about "group think" as well as descriptions of the Democratic leaders.
 
blue32 said:
Interesting-- he speaks out about covert racism and happening when he's around liberals, LOL. That continues to be my main gripe with these people which spills out against everyone now a days.
I liked his segment about "group think" as well as descriptions of the Democratic leaders.
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Agreed on all counts.
 
Denny Crane said:
It would have turned out better if there were 20 armed teachers.
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Speaking as someone who was an actual armed security officer, and as someone who has participated in Rapid Deployment Training with the VPD, I can tell you that I would personally prefer 20 armed teachers, rather than just one officer and a bunch of unarmed victims.

Many schools today are very large. I know at my high school there was over 1,000 kids (1,200, IIRC). As an officer, I simply can't be everywhere at once. And in the time that I respond to a shooting, that killer might have killed 5, 8, 10 or more people.

Whereas a teacher, who is licensed to carry and trained with their firearm of choice, can better respond immediately to a threat.

That being said, it should always fall to the teacher to think of his/her's students first, and fighting the opponent second. Deadly Force should only be applied as the absolute last resort.

But if you can get your children to safety, then do it. And that should be a part of a teacher's training.

If I was training a bunch of teachers in a CCW Class, I'd have them practice a modified form of Rapid Deployment, using volunteers and simunitions, with the goal of getting their kids to safety, rather than hunting the perp down.
 
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