hahaha Bush says he doesn't believe in the Bible, does believe in evolution

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Faith > Religion, IMO

I don't have a problem with people's personal beliefs as long as they don't shove it down my throat or use it as a reason to justify heinous acts towards others. Unfortunately, religion has been the cause of far too many conflicts, whether it's a war that kills tens of thousands of people or a single hate crime against one person.

Just believe what you want to believe, and keep it to yourself. Spirituality should be a personal thing, and religion makes it ... not.

Too many people who follow a particular religion demonstrably look down on folks who believe something different.

-Pop
 
hoojacks said:
What I enjoy is that DaRizzle's icon is the album cover of an album with a song on it about how terrible Las Angeles is and that California needs to sink into the ocean.
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Right band but are you sure if it was that album this art is from?...I dont think so but im not sure
 
crowTrobot said:
you can believe whatever you want, but if you're talking about christianity it does take a double standard. in the same way science proves evolution it also for practical purposes proves everything in the bible relevant to the validity of christianity is mythology.
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that is incorrect.
 
rocketeer said:
and i still would disagree and consider it to be both.
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I would have to agree its both. My girlfriend is of Jewish decent (brown hair/brown eyes, fathers parents practicing Jews, has a 13 letter last name) but she has never attended temple or been to any type of church. But I would say she is Jewish (by decent) but if asked what religion she belonged too she would say agnostic.
 
My grandpa was Jewish. I just say I'm Israeli, because I don't practice the religion at all, and my grandpa is a converted Christian anyhow...and we actually have ancestors in Israel, and family that still lives there as well.
 
rocketeer said:
that is incorrect.
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no it's correct. the same scientific standards used to prove
that there's an extremely high probability evolution occured
can be used to show there's an extremely high probabililty
that ancient metaphysical claims are mythology.
 
crowTrobot said:
no it's correct. the same scientific standards used to prove
that there's an extremely high probability evolution occured
can be used to show there's an extremely high probabililty
that ancient metaphysical claims are mythology.
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I don't believe, but what people told me when I was a child was that nothing is impossible for God. He could make anything true or false on a whim. I can't think of anything that would make people who believe in God change their views. Science won't. Aliens from another planet might make some reconsider:dunno:
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
There's a difference between a race and a cult.
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You are truly ignorant, my friend. There are probably 20 times as many people in that "cult" as there are Jews in the world. Besides, what makes you think people in "cults" deserve to be exterminated?
 
Nate4Prez said:
I would have to agree its both. My girlfriend is of Jewish decent (brown hair/brown eyes, fathers parents practicing Jews, has a 13 letter last name) but she has never attended temple or been to any type of church. But I would say she is Jewish (by decent) but if asked what religion she belonged too she would say agnostic.
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I'm not sure how that makes it a race. My Grandparents are were born in Italy, parents speak italian, I have dark hair and skin and my name ends in a vowel. That doesn't make Italian a race.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
There's a difference between a race and a cult.
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So in your mind, Abraham was different than David Koresh...how?

I mean, if you're going to deny God, then a dude fathering a race from multiple wives b/c God told him he would is not that much different that David Koresh fathering a cult from multiple wives because God told him to.

Christianity isn't the gatekeeper of lazy minds.
 
Shooter said:
You are truly ignorant, my friend. There are probably 20 times as many people in that "cult" as there are Jews in the world. Besides, what makes you think people in "cults" deserve to be exterminated?
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aren't we supposed to avoid directly attacking/insulting other posters? Hasn't this been explained to you a zillion times now?

STOMP
 
crowTrobot said:
no it's correct. the same scientific standards used to prove
that there's an extremely high probability evolution occured
can be used to show there's an extremely high probabililty
that ancient metaphysical claims are mythology.
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it takes no double standard to believe in both evolution and the bible.
 
rocketeer said:
it takes no double standard to believe in both evolution and the bible.
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for someone who's just blindly going along with the crowd perhaps not, but for someone who is basing their belief in evolution on any kind of rational view of empirical evidence it does by definition.

obviously, short of someone documenting a similar modern miracle in a controlled setting, there can be no objective evidence that jesus rose from the dead or worked a single miracle. in fact there's barely any objective anthropological evidence that gospel stories are based on an actual single historical figure.

but there IS plenty of evidence that people tend to be easily fooled en masse into believing false metaphysical claims and/or use subjective personal internal experiences as "evidence" to fool themselves into false belief, and that religions/cults have historically frequently stemmed from such delusions. and there is no objective evidence that would distinguish christianity from any other religion or cult in that regard. belief in the factuality of metphysical claims in the bible requires something that supercedes a rational view of objective evidence (faith or whatever you want to call it), hence the double standard.
 
I also don't consider myself religious, and not a part of any religion. But I believe in God, and I have a relationship w/ God, and I read the bible and try to learn more about him, along w/ trying to follow what the Bible says (but don't take it to some extremes like many people do).

But i'm not someone who believes you need to go to church, or need to be a missionary (though I would like to do this), or anything like that, which is part of certain religions. I don't think cussing is bad, I don't think drinking is bad, I really am not against doing drugs, thouh I think when it controls you (addiction) it is bad. I don't think girls should always where skirts (like a baptist school I used to go to said) or w/e.

The church I attend passes out fliers that says that religion is something that separates you from God.

I think a lot of people stereotype Christians, and I think people of faith really get judged, and its sad. Like if you are gay, I have nothing against you, and I actually think you are awesome, and would be pissed to see someone speak out against gays and call them out. I think we are at a point in society where we can get past that and open our minds. I just figure that if we can get past that, and race, and gender, why can't we get past what religion people have, or if they believe in god? Or creation?

But about Bush, I really haven't liked him for a while. And if he believes in God or not, I don't think what he does should reflect your views on anyone else.
 
I believe in freedom of religious expression.

I am agnostic, Drink your Milkshake is Crazy.
 
I'm still wondering why Drink your milkshake is still here? or at least not edited? I thought personal attacks were not allowed here? and he just attacked and asked for the killing of a entire group of people?
 
STOMP said:
aren't we supposed to avoid directly attacking/insulting other posters? Hasn't this been explained to you a zillion times now?

STOMP
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How is pointing out the poster's obvious ignorance on this matter an attack or an insult?

I also notice you said nothing about the vulgar attacks by the original poster directed at others in this thread.

Bias?
 
dpc said:
I'm still wondering why Drink your milkshake is still here? or at least not edited? I thought personal attacks were not allowed here? and he just attacked and asked for the killing of a entire group of people?
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Moderating only happens to those the mods don't agree with.

It's the same thing at happened at BBF. Different standards of moderating based on subjective standards. It is a recipe for a board meltdown.
 
Bump

Mods here don't care if posters suggest killing people based on their religious preference.
 
PapaG said:
Bump

Mods here don't care if posters suggest killing people based on their religious preference.
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The mods care. Ed O posted about it in this thread.
 
Denny Crane said:
The mods care. Ed O posted about it in this thread.
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Ed O. had harsher words for me based on me posting threads about players rumored to be traded to the players.

I said this should be OT; he said it's fair game on the Blazer board.

Instead, I get the nasty PMs while other posters offer to exterminate people based on their religion and get nothing in return.

Hell of a board here, Denny.
 
PapaG said:
Ed O. had harsher words for me based on me posting threads about players rumored to be traded to the players.

I said this should be OT; he said it's fair game on the Blazer board.

Instead, I get the nasty PMs while other posters offer to exterminate people based on their religion and get nothing in return.

Hell of a board here, Denny.
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I'm offended, but when it comes to talk of religion and politics about half the people are going to be offended one way or another.

On one hand, we don't want to squash free speech of a political nature. On the other, people who say assanine things do earn a reputation for themselves.

Sometimes you have to fight "bad" speech with better speech. Bullying people doesn't win the argument.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm offended, but when it comes to talk of religion and politics about half the people are going to be offended one way or another.

On one hand, we don't want to squash free speech of a political nature. On the other, people who say assanine things do earn a reputation for themselves.

Sometimes you have to fight "bad" speech with better speech. Bullying people doesn't win the argument.
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Well said.:cheers:
 
Bump this thread.

The mods here allow posters to advocate the extermination of people based solely on their religion.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm offended, but when it comes to talk of religion and politics about half the people are going to be offended one way or another.

On one hand, we don't want to squash free speech of a political nature. On the other, people who say assanine things do earn a reputation for themselves.

Sometimes you have to fight "bad" speech with better speech. Bullying people doesn't win the argument.
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Calling for and then allowing the postings for the killing of people does nothing to advance any point of debate.

Again, what kind of board are you running here?
 
PapaG said:
Calling for and then allowing the postings for the killing of people does nothing to advance any point of debate.

Again, what kind of board are you running here?
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I think the outrage at his comments speaks a lot louder than his posts do about what kind of site this is.
 
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