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HCP said:
Ahhhhh, I'll take that as a yes.
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You seem close minded to me then because I take the time to study both sides. I've also studied most world religions, especially Islam.
 
HCP said:
SO in spite of all of our scientific discoveries, you believe the world is only 10,000 years old. C'Mon Mags, you have a little bit of common sense in that dome.
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Can you give me an example of these scientific discoveries? Radiometric dating, which has its own presuppositions depending on what side of the philosophical fence you stand on?
 
HCP said:
Do you honestly in the year 2013 with the technology and facts that we have before us, believe the bible and it's stories inside (even though they almost all contradict each other) is historical truth? Really?
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Contradict? How so? I mean what contradictions are you talking about?

I've been down this road before on other threads.

Let me ask you a question.

How would you explain your video editing to a 10 year old?
 
HCP said:
SO in spite of all of our scientific discoveries, you believe the world is only 10,000 years old. C'Mon Mags, you have a little bit of common sense in that dome.
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I believe in old earth and universe, because the natural science proves it. What natural science can't prove was the time or moment and speed everything went before the Big Bang.

If there was anything possible with an almighty God; creating the universe in 7 days shouldn't be hard. Shit our primitive science can create diamonds in a couple days.
 
magnifier661 said:
I believe in old earth and universe, because the natural science proves it. What natural science can't prove was the time or moment and speed everything went before the Big Bang.

If there was anything possible with an almighty God; creating the universe in 7 days shouldn't be hard. Shit our primitive science can create diamonds in a couple days.
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Yeah, and we can barely understand half the stuff here on earth, yet we think we can analyze the universe and know where it came from and where it's going. Right.

The theory of abiogenesis is also a joke to real science, which is probably why most people shy away from it and say it's not part of evolution so they don't have to explain it. Even if we managed to make life (which we won't), it would be the product of intelligent design, not chance chemicals going through the motions.
 
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You guys are much more knowledgable when it comes to this topic. But being such smart guys, it surprises me you would think this book is historically correct. I told you I love that religion helps people live better lives, I just don't think these stories really happened. Mags, I'm a little confused by my work and describing it to little girl.

For arguments sake, you guys believe in the talking snake but NOT evolution? And neither answered my question about 2 of EVERY species on the planet fitting on one boat. And to answer an earlier question, I am not trying to offend.
 
Thanks ABM, I will read this in a sec......... but watch this til I'm back.

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I have a busy week ahead so I'm going to wind down for the evening, but I'll answer some of your questions later HCP and explain how "talking snake" is a strawman ;) night all
 
Sleep good man. I'd love to continue this later.
 
HCP said:
You guys are much more knowledgable when it comes to this topic. But being such smart guys, it surprises me you would think this book is historically correct. I told you I love that religion helps people live better lives, I just don't think these stories really happened. Mags, I'm a little confused by my work and describing it to little girl.

For arguments sake, you guys believe in the talking snake but NOT evolution? And neither answered my question about 2 of EVERY species on the planet fitting on one boat. And to answer an earlier question, I am not trying to offend.
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Never said I didn't believe in evolution. I've said that I'm open to it. Don't say I 100% believe all of it though.

As for the little girl. Your work is a bit hard; but much easier to explain to those in the field right? How hard would it be to explain this to a someone having zero idea and concept of billions of years? Explain physics to a farmer.

I bet if you sat in a physics class; you'd probably be turned off in the first 10 minutes.

Now think of how would you be able to explain things to men far less advanced as you are now.
 
ABM said:
Here's a lazy answer....

http://carm.org/could-noahs-ark-hold-all-animals
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The ark took about 120 years to build. Noah was 480 years old when he began the work and he had the help of his wife,
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OOOOOOKKKKKKKK

The dimensions of the ark have a ratio of six to one. The Ark was six times longer than it was wide. This is the best ratio for modern ship building. Model stability tests have shown that the design is stable for waves up to 200 feet high and that the ark could have rotated 90 degrees and still righted itself.

The volume of the ark would be 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high. This equals 1,518,750 cubic feet and is comparable to 569 modern railroad boxcars. Therefore each boxcar, by comparison, would be 1,518,750 divided by 569, or 2,669 cubic feet of space. The average size of an animal on the earth is smaller than a cat. But, just to keep it safe let's consider the average size of an animal to be a sheep. The average double deck stock car holds 240 sheep. The Ark capacity would be about 569 x 240 equaling 136,560 animals of that size. However, that still is not accurate for our needs. Since most birds, reptiles, and amphibians are much smaller, let's double the boxcar capacity for them. Therefore, the boxcars could each hold 480 different kinds of birds, reptiles, amphibians.

Noah had to take two or seven of every kind of animal on the earth. Though it is not really known exactly what is meant by a biblical kind, it is generally considered to be animals that are fertile within their own groups. Any dog can breed with any dog, therefore, dogs are one kind. It would only be necessary to bring representatives of each kind since the parents could produce offspring that would carry the genetic information for all variations within their kind.

Classification . . . . Number of Species . . . . Number of Kinds on the Ark
Mammals . . . . . . . . .3,700 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3,700 (a few live in water).
Birds . . . . . . . . . . . . 8,600 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60,200 (seven pairs according to Gen. 7:3)
Reptiles. . . . . . . . . . .6,300 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6,300
Amphibians. . . . . . . .2,500 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,500
Fishes. . . . . . . . . . . .20,600. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .zero
Other marine life . . . 192,605. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .zero
Insects . . . . . . . . . . . 850,000 . . . (Since insects are very small, and a great many could be stored in a small area, calculation would be difficult.)
Total . . . . . . . . . . . .1,072,305 . . . . . . . . . . . . .72,700
The total number of mammals would be 3,700 times two pair which equals 7,400 animals. 7,400 divided by 240 = 31 boxcars used.

Since Gen. 7:3 says to take seven pairs of every bird then the total for birds would be 8,600 times two pair times 7 or 120,400 animals. 120,400 x 480 = 250 boxcars. The reptiles and amphibians would be 6,300 plus 2,500 or 8,800. 8,800 times two pair equals 17,600 animals. 17,600 divided by 480 = 37 boxcars.

The total number of boxcars used would be 318 with a total number of animals at 145,400. There would be 251 boxcars left over. That means that only 56% of the ark would be used for storing the animals. Obviously, then, the rest of the space would be used for food for the people and animals and sleeping quarters. In addition, considering that insects are extremely small, it is easily conceivable that they could be housed in part of the remaining space.

It should also be considered that many animals can hibernate. Additionally, predators and prey have been known to live peacefully together during situations of stress like fire, flood, or earthquake. In the Ark, animal behavior probably would have been different from normal daily life. Specialists in animal behavior have noted that animals can sense danger and have often migrated to escape it. Perhaps God used their migratory instincts to get them to the Ark.

Though this is only a brief analysis, it should present enough evidence that the Ark account is certainly within the realm of possibility.
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According to the bible, the flood lasted 370 days....... all those animals stayed in that ark and survived for over a year?
 
Can't we just get back to celebrating the Easter Bunny?
 
i once built a boat for 120 years, shit was boring as fuck
 
My bad...... Happy Easter Everybody whatever you believe.
 
How about all the microscopic species? What about plant species and fish, which need aquariums? Don't forget mushroom fungae 120 feet long underground, the Earth's biggest species. How about the giant species from every planet in the universe? Were all these animals crapping?

Why haven't biologists discovered a genetic discontinuity in every species, all originating from the same time?
 
We did a big Easter egg hunt at my nephew's farm. One for the kids (mostly candy) and one for the adults. (candy, but cash, as well.) I scored a whole $2! Whoo Hoo!

The food was delish, the weather was almost incomparable for the last day in March in Oregon, and the company proved to be enlightening. It was a grand affair!
 
jlprk said:
How about all the microscopic species? What about plant species and fish, which need aquariums? Don't forget mushroom fungae 120 feet long underground, the Earth's biggest species. How about the giant species from every planet in the universe? Were all these animals crapping?

Why haven't biologists discovered a genetic discontinuity in every species, all originating from the same time?
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Mushrooms (fungi) spores can be stored for years. Bacteria can spore form and hibernate for hundreds of years.

Animal crap could easily be thrown out. They weren't in a sealed, airless box! Lol.

I thought you would know this already, with your self proclaimed brilliance!
 
ABM said:
We did a big Easter egg hunt at my nephew's farm. One for the kids (mostly candy) and one for the adults. (candy, but cash, as well.) I scored a whole $2! Whoo Hoo!

The food was delish, the weather was almost incomparable for the last day in March in Oregon, and the company proved to be enlightening. It was a grand affair!
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Sounds like a good time.
 
ABM said:
We did a big Easter egg hunt at my nephew's farm. One for the kids (mostly candy) and one for the adults. (candy, but cash, as well.) I scored a whole $2! Whoo Hoo!

The food was delish, the weather was almost incomparable for the last day in March in Oregon, and the company proved to be enlightening. It was a grand affair!
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Yum and awesome! Yeah the fellowship that these holidays brings gives me such joy. Mainly "joy to me bell-eh!"
 
jlprk said:
How about all the microscopic species? What about plant species and fish, which need aquariums? Don't forget mushroom fungae 120 feet long underground, the Earth's biggest species. How about the giant species from every planet in the universe? Were all these animals crapping?

Why haven't biologists discovered a genetic discontinuity in every species, all originating from the same time?
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magnifier661 said:
Mushrooms (fungi) spores can be stored for years. Bacteria can spore form and hibernate for hundreds of years.

Animal crap could easily be thrown out. They weren't in a sealed, airless box! Lol.

I thought you would know this already, with your self proclaimed brilliance!
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Where have I self-proclaimed my obvious brilliance? I'm normally too humble to educate you little people. So did Noah make the fish tanks out of stone, like Fred Flintstone? Did he carry every plant species? Yes, mushrooms can be stored a long time, in Wilma's rock refrigerator.
 
jlprk said:
So did Noah make the fish tanks out of stone, like Fred Flintstone? Did he carry every plant species? Yes, mushrooms can be stored a long time, in Wilma's rock refrigerator.
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He's either saying, "Bite 'cha" or, "Hey Meester. Manicure only 5 pesos."
 
jlprk said:
Where have I self-proclaimed my obvious brilliance? I'm normally too humble to educate you little people. So did Noah make the fish tanks out of stone, like Fred Flintstone? Did he carry every plant species? Yes, mushrooms can be stored a long time, in Wilma's rock refrigerator.
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Fish are part of the animal kingdom; but they can live in water. The eggs can be in hibernation too.

Plants are not animals FYI.
 
Some plant species would survive 40 days underwater, but many would become extinct. Did Noah carry all animals from Earth, or was it all animals from the Universe?

I'm picturing Fred and Wilma holding down Bugs and Porky, who are squirming and leaping to escape. The Road Runner would definitely get out of the large room below deck. Did Fred, I mean Noah, chain the animals?

Was sex allowed? Some animals, like mosquitoes, live less than 40 days and must reproduce. Did Noah make a valiant effort to preserve houseflies and rats for our benefit?
 
Curious what they fed the snakes and gators and wolves and eagles.
 
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