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Holy Toledo. I guess Oregon is back in the national stratosphere
 
And this is why I said I don’t mind scheduling Oregon state and keeping the rivalry game

they simply have no chance

and as time goes on, the gulf will just get wider
 
STOMP said:
Not really, it's just cold hard numbers. Going forward the Ducks will be receiving 4 to 5 times as many TV dollars for their program as the Beavers. It would take gross mismanagement not to make that advantage real on the field

STOMP
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Oh, I don’t disagree. But it’s kicking beav fan while they’re down. I have a lot of family that is beav alumn and it’s a tough pill for them to swallow
 
Predator said:
And this is why I said I don’t mind scheduling Oregon state and keeping the rivalry game

they simply have no chance

and as time goes on, the gulf will just get wider
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I know, I hate it. I actually hope Oregon scheduling them helps to keep them more competitive somehow.
 
I have B2B work days in Corvallis next week. It will be the most depressed town in Oregon. This looked like a catastrophic thrashing by the Ducks.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Good game Beavers! You guys played hard. You're going to have a great season. See you in the playoffs.
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the Ducks QB is a lefty. Clearly the Beavers were not prepared for plays on the opposite side of the field. I blame the OSU coaches.
 
MickZagger said:
Oh, I don’t disagree. But it’s kicking beav fan while they’re down. I have a lot of family that is beav alumn and it’s a tough pill for them to swallow
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Not necessarily kicking them while they’re down
I think it is mutually beneficial
Probably a decently easy W for the Ducks most years
And good for the economics in Corvallis when the ducks come to town
 
I think OSU will be just fine in the new Pac8. My reasoning is success breeds success and they will have a legit shot every year to compete and contend in the new league. They will have an opportunity to become the next Boise State by recruiting guys with chips on their shoulders that are 3-2 star players. Consistent winning and contending will create a new vibe and certainly help their marketing. I understand the finances won't be there as compared but with an increase effort with boosters to jump on the band wagon, they absolutely could participate in some nil deals. Potentially there could be a new synergy around the program as the league continues and who know's what will happen in 10 years or so with college football.
 
kjironman1 said:
Providence park is a great venue.
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only 25,000 capacity though

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new Pac-6 capacities:

Fresno State - 40,727
Colorado St. - 36,500
Boise State - 36,363
OSU - 35,548
San Diego St - 35,000
WSU - 32,952

other MWC schools:

New Mexico - 39,224
San Jose St - 30,456
Nevada - 30,000
Wyoming - 29,181
Utah St - 25,513

Capacities of Other Schools that have been speculated as candidates:

Memphis - 58,325
Air Force - 39,441
UNLV - 36,800
UTSA - 36,582 (lower bowl capacity at Alamodome; total is 72,000)
Tulane - 30,000

the Pac-2 had some money to spend. The estimates were 200-250M total from the settlement with the other 10 PAC-12 schools. But they will be spending 110-120M of that in punitive penalties paid to the MWC. And that doesn't include any additional money that the Pac-2 sends to the 4 MWC schools that are joining the Pac-6 to help defray their costs of exit. And the balance remaining needs to defray the holes in the athletic budgets of OSU/WSU they will accumulate over the next 2 years. Their media deal with the CW network won't go very far in defraying the 40M/year holes in the respective athletic budgets. So, by 2026, likely all of the settlement money will be spent, or earmarked to be spent

as far as adding new schools, the practical logic of UNLV and Air Force is solid. But the financial logic isn't as each school would cost the Pac-6 around 25-30M in penalties paid to the MWC. Adding 60M in penalties to the 115M already obligated to the MWC doesn't leave much in the settlement war chest. That's likely why the three AAC schools (Memphis, Tulane, UTSA) have been mentioned so much. The penalty for each of those schools would be around half that of any additional MWC schools

and of course, that would be abandoning the regional footprint model the reps from OSU/WSU were bragging about. Which in turn, means the new conference would be significantly increasing travel costs. Media companies won't care about that, at all, and wouldn't kick in more money to cover travel costs

but that brings up the elephant in the room: just how and where will the new Pac-X find enough media money to make them a viable destination for other schools??

" Industry sources weren't sure which way forward the Pac-12 would take. They were sure almost unanimously that the new Pac-12 won't get much more than the current Mountain West deal, which is $45 million per year from current rights holders Fox and CBS. (TNT has a smaller deal for a handful of lower-echelon games.)

The reconfigured Pac-12 is relying heavily on the former conference's IP address. The fancy marketing definition of IP is "brand value." Cut to the core, IP is basically a string of numbers separated by periods that carries an identity on the internet. Those six schools now own "pac12.com" and everything that comes with it, which is the issue. The old Pac-12 broke apart basically because Utah president Taylor Randall convinced his peers that the league was worth $50 million per school. They were brutally wrong.

Will the new Pac-12 make the same mistake as the old Pac-12 in overvaluing itself?"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...eal-on-check-list-for-re-imagined-conference/

I've seen 15M/year per school thrown around, but that's seems wildly optimistic. If the Pac-X adds 2-4 more schools and is able to generate a media deal that is 25% better than the current MWC deal, that would be 60M/year, total. That's around 6-8M/year per school. Those 3 current AAC schools belong to the non-power conference that currently has the highest media payout and it's only 8-9M/year

add that to the reality that the Pac-X will be trying to secure a lucrative media deal out of schedule. Meaning that the 4 power conferences have full media deals that run till the next decade. Meaning, also, that FOX-ESPN-CBS-NBC have full schedules of more attractive programs and wouldn't have interest in the reconstituted Pac-X, Those media deals would have to come from CW or maybe TNT (which much prefers east coast venues). And streaming media like Amazon and Apple. But 18 months ago, the Pac-12 crashed and burned trying to land streaming deals, and that's when the Pac-12 had as flagships UW-UO-Col-ASU-Utah. I'd estimate the best the Pac-X will do is 10M/year per school and I doubt they hit that threshold. That doesn't generate much motivation for any AAC school to jump ship

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a detailed article on how it all went down:

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...look-pac-12-conference-rebuild-add-four-teams
 
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A couple of good conference games a year at civic would grow their fandom. They can increase capacity like they've done before.
 
kjironman1 said:
Providence park is a great venue.
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Not for football anymore.

I went to a PSU game there after they remodeled the place for the Timbers and the lack of room at the end of the endzone was dangerous.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Not for football anymore.

I went to a PSU game there after they remodeled the place for the Timbers and the lack of room at the end of the endzone was dangerous.
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They could shorten the field.
 
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