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Was this a good deal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 79 94.0%

  • No

    Votes: 5 6.0%
  • Total voters
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Harkless wanted to stay a Blazer and he got his wish. It a good contract for what I seen in the playoffs with Harkless. To me Harkless backup Turner and Crabbe backup CJ. So there is minutes for both of them. Now 4/5 spot that might be head scratcher for Stotts who going back up Aminu at the 4. I think Ezeli and Plum will handle the 5 spot.
 
Trackjack said:
Now 4/5 spot that might be head scratcher for Stotts who going back up Aminu at the 4. I think Ezeli and Plum will handle the 5 spot.
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I'm pretty sure Ed Davis is all over that. And Harkless can play at the 4 in small ball lineups.
 
theprunetang said:
I'm pretty sure Ed Davis is all over that. And Harkless can play at the 4 in small ball lineups.
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I believe Davis might be backup the 4/5 but a third option at both position. After thinking about it the 2nd unit will be CJ, Crabbe, Harkless, Leonard, Plum. CJ will play the point when Dame sits. But I been wrong before but that that's what I see.
 
BBert said:
IMO, the only player on the team who is currently overpaid is Crabbe, but there remains the possibility he lives up to it this year or next.
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His expectations are sky high that's for sure. He's putting in the right kinda work tho so I'm bullish.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Blazer fans have a tendency to overvalue players on the team. It's one of those "Soccer Mom" complaints that Simmons is actually somewhat on the mark.
Someone from the outside could look at the Blazers roster and say "Wow, other than Lillard and McCollum, what a bunch of scrubs!". Are they right or are we right? Probably somewhere in the middle. I think there's a lot of talent and potential on the Blazers roster right now, but I saw some stupid money being thrown at players who have only shown flashes on the court. Hopefully Neil and Stotts see this group as a sum greater than its parts, and that probably starts with the killer drive of Lillard, who is gonna will these guys to overachieve. Is it enough to contend for a title, or at least a WCF bid? I hope so, but I'm not putting any money down on it.
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The awesomeness that was last season did happen bc of Lillard's drive BUT... ALSO chemistry was the thing @ the heart of it all; not only does Lillard's drive wear off on our guys/fuel them BUT our guys from last yr. ALSO encouraged Lillard/his drive. You're right, that Moe's true skill value is probably something between our perception of him & outsiders' perspectives of him BUT bringing Moe back was huge IMO for the morale of our guys AND will help once again in keeping the fire burning in Lillard's drive!:evilfire::evilfire::evilfire::evilfire::evilfire:
 
Just when we thought that Olshey choked in FA, he works his magic to keep our in house core. Always a good rule of thumb to work on your own guys. If you look at it as a whole and not just the Turner overpay then all balanced out cause Harkless, Leonard and Festus seem bargains.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
As you always point out, we don't land FA stars, so if we want that legit 3rd option........we need an abundance of depth first.
Trading is our only option and Neil knows it. The key IMO is being patient for the right deal. Stay competitive as best as you can, build the depth, and wait for the right trade opportunity. If it doesn't come, then so be it. But it is still our best option.

I prefer it over blowing it up in the hope that your very young lottery picks pan out in 5-7 years.
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Like Dame and CJ?
 
OK, now we need to wait for some small team to blow it up and look for a trade.

Anyone else smells a Millsap?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Like Dame and CJ?
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Dame was not our pick. We got him...through a trade.
Cj was our pick but we still had LMA, Wes, Nic and Dame on the team. We did not "blow it up" to get into the lottery.

I do think the draft is very important to the stability of a franchise. I just think there is a better strategy to get better than blowing the team up. You can find quality draft picks outside the lottery.

Teams like the Lakers might get away with it because they do have a history of landing big free agents to help with the process. (once the team gets better.) But we can't afford to suck for 5 years in a row.

With either strategy you have to get lucky. I just prefer this strategy better.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Dame was not our pick. We got him...through a trade.
Cj was our pick but we still had LMA, Wes, Nic and Dame on the team. We did not "blow it up" to get into the lottery.

I do think the draft is very important to the stability of a franchise. I just think there is a better strategy to get better than blowing the team up. You can find quality draft picks outside the lottery.

Teams like the Lakers might get away with it because they do have a history of landing big free agents to help with the process. (once the team gets better.) But we can't afford to suck for 5 years in a row.

With either strategy you have to get lucky. I just prefer this strategy better.
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I'm not sure what the % is, but my guess is 95% of teams playing for a title are doing so because they they stunk and were able to draft great players. MOST of those great players come from high lottery picks. I think you have it backwards. Teams like LA have been able to sign guys. Teams like OKC need to draft them
 
Blazers Roy said:
OK, now we need to wait for some small team to blow it up and look for a trade.

Anyone else smells a Millsap?
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I wouldn't' call a team with Dwight Howard small.

I think the Blazers target Nikola Vucevic or Tyson Chandler using some combo of Davis/Aminu/Noah/Picks.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not sure what the % is, but my guess is 95% of teams playing for a title are doing so because they they stunk and were able to draft great players. MOST of those great players come from high lottery picks. I think you have it backwards. Teams like LA have been able to sign guys. Teams like OKC need to draft them
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You make it sound like there's a recipe to be followed by small market teams trying to compete for a title: suck for a number of years, get high draft picks, and pray that they develop quickly so you can win a title before you lose them to other teams after 7 or 8 years. Most teams making high lottery picks never sniff a championship. Most high lottery picks don't pan out to be great players. Sometimes lower picks become great players. The Warriors won a title with a No. 7 pick (Curry), a No. 11 pick (Thompson) and a No. 35 pick (Green). The Blazers have Dame (No. 6 pick), Aminu (No. 8), CJ (No. 10 pick) and a whole boat-load of other mid-lottery talent. Will it be enough to do more than be a perennial playoff team that never wins a title, or will Olshey be able to parlay the pieces he has now into something even stronger? I don't know, but I think there's every bit as great of a chance that it will work out as if he were to dump everything in the hopes of getting that one great player in a future draft.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Dame was not our pick. We got him...through a trade.
Cj was our pick but we still had LMA, Wes, Nic and Dame on the team. We did not "blow it up" to get into the lottery.

I do think the draft is very important to the stability of a franchise. I just think there is a better strategy to get better than blowing the team up. You can find quality draft picks outside the lottery.

Teams like the Lakers might get away with it because they do have a history of landing big free agents to help with the process. (once the team gets better.) But we can't afford to suck for 5 years in a row.

With either strategy you have to get lucky. I just prefer this strategy better.
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If you trade for a pick, it's then your pick....it doesn't matter how you acquired the pick...you choose who to take on draft day with that pick..the Nets didn't draft Lillard for Portland...Olshey drafted Lillard with an acquired pick...that makes it our pick
 
e_blazer said:
You make it sound like there's a recipe to be followed by small market teams trying to compete for a title: suck for a number of years, get high draft picks, and pray that they develop quickly so you can win a title before you lose them to other teams after 7 or 8 years. Most teams making high lottery picks never sniff a championship. Most high lottery picks don't pan out to be great players. Sometimes lower picks become great players. The Warriors won a title with a No. 7 pick (Curry), a No. 11 pick (Thompson) and a No. 35 pick (Green). The Blazers have Dame (No. 5 pick), Aminu (No. 8), CJ (No. 10 pick) and a whole boat-load of other mid-lottery talent. Will it be enough to do more than be a perennial playoff team that never wins a title, or will Olshey be able to parlay the pieces he has now into something even stronger? I don't know, but I think there's every bit as great of a chance that it will work out as if he were to dump everything in the hopes of getting that one great player in a future draft.
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Dame was the number 6 pick, not 5...that was TRob
 
Maybe Jarrett can warn CJ about the perils of stepping out of bounds.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not sure what the % is, but my guess is 95% of teams playing for a title are doing so because they they stunk and were able to draft great players. MOST of those great players come from high lottery picks. I think you have it backwards. Teams like LA have been able to sign guys. Teams like OKC need to draft them
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And OKC still never won it, and their stars are leaving.

I think the Warriors are similar to us. Their two stars came from the 7th pick and the 11th pick. Similar to Dame and CJ. But their 3rd star and the player who made the team excel..... was a 2nd round pick. People hate on Green, but without his unique skill set, they are still good, but not champions.

I never said stars don't come from the draft. On the contrary you have to keep your picks and draft wisely. I just don't agree with those who favor getting really bad in order to get really good. Of course SA was the exception because they tanked because of an injury. They still had their star the next year......plus the #1 pick. I am not opposed to a one year tank, it's the cleaning house approach that can kill a franchise for years.
 
Stability is the name of the game...the Spurs have proven that ...starts with coaching staff. Gerald Henderson played for half a dozen coaches in 5 years and new teammates every season...so Charlotte never really made noise in the post season even with talent upgrades. Keeping a core and system intact has been a real key to success. I think Olshey has patterned his moves with this in mind.
 
riverman said:
If you trade for a pick, it's then your pick....it doesn't matter how you acquired the pick...you choose who to take on draft day with that pick..the Nets didn't draft Lillard for Portland...Olshey drafted Lillard with an acquired pick...that makes it our pick
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But you are not tanking in the process. SA traded for Leonard......did they tank? The topic is how you get Stars. Trading to get a good draft is preferred, blowing the team up to get one....is not. Again you don't have to get really bad to get really good. You just need to be smart, and a little lucky. Kind of like the Lakers getting Kobe.
 
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Is there a press conference to announce the Hark and CJ signings?
 
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