Harrison Barnes v. Martell Webster

[Reep]

I'm not seeing the difference here. Is there anyone who watched him a lot who can tell me what the difference is? They both appear to be one-dimensional, NBA body SF's with sweat strokes who have limited handles. Since he keeps showing up in the mocks at 6, I'm trying to understand why.

 

[MickZagger]

Its a valid comparison. I'd say Barnes has a better mid-range game. Both look like fools when they try and put the ball on the floor and attack the basket.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Harrison Barnes hasn't had a really impressive workout that makes Paul Allen do stupid things with his draft picks... yet.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Webster was drafted #6. Barnes is projected #6. That's the REAL comparison.

 

[THE HCP]

I didn't realize Barnes was a shooter. I thought he was a little of this and a little of that. Martell came out with just a supposed sweet stroke.

 

[PapaG]

Barnes has much better skills at putting the ball on the floor. Martell got drafted by Paul Allen because he made a zillion 3-pt shots in a row in a work out.

I still don't like Barnes, though, as a potential draft pick. At least not at #6.

 

[Natebishop3]

The biggest difference being that Martell never went to college or competed against players on that level.

 

[THE HCP]

^ Good point.

 

[Rhal]

Barnes his supposed to have a high BBall IQ but not Martells athleticism.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Barnes his supposed to have a high BBall IQ but not Martells athleticism.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster either way.

 

[STOMP]

Sounds like a recipe for disaster either way.

since when is having a high Bball IQ a recipe for disaster? Is coming from one of the top programs in the country a bad thing too?

Martell's problems in the NBA have to do with being weak mentally (too excitable + lack of focus) and having zero handle. Genius GM John Nash famously overruled his scouts and the general consensus among the Blazer brass to select him over Al Jefferson based on him draining jumpers over two guys under 6'2.

What I like about Barnes is that he's got more then a sweet stroke going for him, he's a scorer who acts like he's done it before when he gets on a roll. Like a lot of players he's got similar physical dimensions to MW, but I think he'll be a much better pro

STOMP

 

[THE HCP]

Sounds like a recipe for disaster either way.

Like a thread started by KingSpeed!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

martell is much more attractive, for starters

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

martell is much more attractive, for starters

So you've got teh ghey feverz?

That hair he had earlier this year was ridiculous and oh-so-hideous.

 

[THE HCP]

I liked his mohawk!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

since when is having a high Bball IQ a recipe for disaster? Is coming from one of the top programs in the country a bad thing too?

Martell's problems in the NBA have to do with being weak mentally (too excitable + lack of focus) and having zero handle. Genius GM John Nash famously overruled his scouts and the general consensus among the Blazer brass to select him over Al Jefferson based on him draining jumpers over two guys under 6'2.

STOMP

How could that be? They weren't in the same draft. You seem to be mixing up Martell Webster facts with Sebastian Telfair facts.

 

[PapaG]

How could that be? They weren't in the same draft. You seem to be mixing up Martell Webster facts with Sebastian Telfair facts.

That, and also Telfair never drained outside shots over anyone in any work out.

Makes for a good story I guess, though. How about taking Webster over Chris Paul, STOMP? Isn't that more accurate?

 

[jlprk]

It's probably more accurate than who you blame.

Martell got drafted by Paul Allen because he made a zillion 3-pt shots in a row in a work out.

 

[KingSpeed]

Going into his freshman year at college, he was projected to be the number one pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, I believe. Then he played games and didn't live up to the hype.

 

[Nikolokolus]

since when is having a high Bball IQ a recipe for disaster? Is coming from one of the top programs in the country a bad thing too?

Martell's problems in the NBA have to do with being weak mentally (too excitable + lack of focus) and having zero handle. Genius GM John Nash famously overruled his scouts and the general consensus among the Blazer brass to select him over Al Jefferson based on him draining jumpers over two guys under 6'2.

What I like about Barnes is that he's got more then a sweet stroke going for him, he's a scorer who acts like he's done it before when he gets on a roll. Like a lot of players he's got similar physical dimensions to MW, but I think he'll be a much better pro

STOMP

The trouble is, under-athletic guys with "high basketball IQ" (however you want to measure that) rarely have anything other than role-player or decent starter potential -- their ceiling is usually capped.

And for all of Barnes "IQ" he's awfully one dimensional.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Barnes is way too incapable of getting his own shot, which isn't a death sentence, but you better have a damn good offensive philosophy with him on the floor. Solid 3rd scorer though, who is long and capable of playing defense.

 

[Reep]

Geoff Van Gundy has a high basketball IQ. Maybe we should play him. It is a good point that high BBall IQ isn't as affective unless you are a good ball handler, passer or defender. It is important for spot up shooters to know where to go on the floor, but it doesn't help the team as much as with players who have more skills to go with the IQ.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Barnes is way too incapable of getting his own shot, which isn't a death sentence, but you better have a damn good offensive philosophy with him on the floor. Solid 3rd scorer though, who is long and capable of playing defense.

Josh Childress?

 

[STOMP]

How could that be? They weren't in the same draft. You seem to be mixing up Martell Webster facts with Sebastian Telfair facts.

you're right. I don't know what I was thinking as he traded down from the #3 Chris Paul/Deron slot for the opportunity to draft Martell, while Jefferson and Telfair were in the same draft the year prior... good catch

STOMP

 

[craigehlo]

Barnes will be a better Pro than Webster, though that's damning with faint praise. Martell parlayed the Blazers' needs for a SG and a great workout into an insanely high selection. If he actually played at least one season at UW, I doubt he would have been a top 20 selection if there was that body of work to analyze.

I'm not a big Barnes guy, but his game at NC doesn't resemble Webster that much other than his inability to create shots. Barnes is quicker and more explosive.

 

[Blaze01]

since when is having a high Bball IQ a recipe for disaster? Is coming from one of the top programs in the country a bad thing too?

Martell's problems in the NBA have to do with being weak mentally (too excitable + lack of focus) and having zero handle. Genius GM John Nash famously overruled his scouts and the general consensus among the Blazer brass to select him over Al Jefferson based on him draining jumpers over two guys under 6'2.

What I like about Barnes is that he's got more then a sweet stroke going for him, he's a scorer who acts like he's done it before when he gets on a roll. Like a lot of players he's got similar physical dimensions to MW, but I think he'll be a much better pro

STOMP

Yeah, I completely agree with you on Barnes, he will be a much better NBA player than people are expecting him to be....More like a Luol Deng impact type of player, nowehere near Martell Webster....

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, I completely agree with you on Barnes, he will be a much better NBA player than people are expecting him to be....More like a Luol Deng impact type of player, nowehere near Martell Webster....

Barnes can't create his own shot though, while Deng can easily do that

 

[blazedanugz]

there are plenty of examples of him creating his own shot. not sure why people say he cant...this guy is a pure scorer. he actually reminds me of roy a little bit. smooth and under control and can score in many different ways.

 

[Mediocre Man]

there are plenty of examples of him creating his own shot. not sure why people say he cant...this guy is a pure scorer. he actually reminds me of roy a little bit. smooth and under control and can score in many different ways.

Just watching the games, as well as all the scouts that say it as well.

 

[tlongII]

since when is having a high Bball IQ a recipe for disaster? Is coming from one of the top programs in the country a bad thing too?

Martell's problems in the NBA have to do with being weak mentally (too excitable + lack of focus) and having zero handle. Genius GM John Nash famously overruled his scouts and the general consensus among the Blazer brass to select him over Al Jefferson based on him draining jumpers over two guys under 6'2.

What I like about Barnes is that he's got more then a sweet stroke going for him, he's a scorer who acts like he's done it before when he gets on a roll. Like a lot of players he's got similar physical dimensions to MW, but I think he'll be a much better pro

STOMP

Actually you're thinking of Sebastian Telfair. He was the one selected over Al Jefferson.