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Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

Super early take on Barnes based on summer league games:

First of all, hes a really, really good shooter. Not Klay/Curry good but hes absolutely lights out spotting up and flashes the step back/pull up midrange J as far out as the college 3 pt line.

His handle is very shaky. In addition he doesn't have a good first step and hes not quick. As you can see in all high highlights, he can get into the mid-range area at will, but either his man will recover or the help defense presents itself and Barnes can't get all the way to the rack. Hes actually been quite aggressive in SL trying to make things happen off the dribble, to mixed results. He does get to the rim on occasion, sometimes he'll throw up a floater type move 10 feet from the rim, a lot of times he'll opt for the trusty pull up/step back.

He gives nice effort on defense but needs to improve his technique. Lack of quicks hurt him here but hes athletic enough to be a fine defender with more experience and smarts. Doesn't create for others. Rebounding is up and down.

Overall his upside is like a Rudy Gay or Rashard Lewis or a bigger Jason Richardson. Hes already probably a better shooter and has those fadeaways, step backs, pull ups that Martell never had, and hes bigger. Hes 20 so the handle will probably improve, but he doesn't have that innate understanding of how to get to the rim like you see from Pierce (who he's often compared to). You see that even in MKG who is pretty raw, but just has that instinct of getting to the hoop.

Right now I think the Blazers did well taking Lillard. They needed someone dynamic with the ball. Someone who can compete with the myriad talent at PG in the NBA. They needed a scorer and a primary ball handler. Dunno how good he'll be but at this point you have to think hes been at least as good as Barnes, and hes the more dynamic player. Additionally, I'd say Batum is the better SF prospect at this point based on his defensive impact and similar offensive upside.
 
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I think the comparision should really be more of Lillard+Batum to

Dragic+Barnes+DerrickW+picks

Both packages have a lot of potential upside but a lot of potential risk. This could end up being a ridicoulsly lopsided comparision 5 years from now.
 
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Draco said:
I think the comparision should really be more of Lillard+Batum to

Dragic+Barnes+DerrickW+picks

Both packages have a lot of potential upside but a lot of potential risk. This could end up being a ridicoulsly lopsided comparision 5 years from now.
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dragic?
 
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Draco said:
I think the comparision should really be more of Lillard+Batum to

Dragic+Barnes+DerrickW+picks

Both packages have a lot of potential upside but a lot of potential risk. This could end up being a ridicoulsly lopsided comparision 5 years from now.
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I don't think that line up was ever possible.

If we drafted Barnes, no way in heck does Minny even come close to offering DW, even if it is only rumor. They'd know we'd be hamstrung and have to get something for Batum.

Dragic was a UFA and who knows what the FA plan would have been if the Blazers took Barnes. Would they still have gone hard after Hibbert? Hard to say.
 
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Shit, could be like Blaze01 and insist that we draft Marquis Teague instead of Lillard :MARIS61:
 
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Glad to see that debate has been settled 2 games into summer league....

Not what I said either, but whatever...

Master of the over statement strikes again...as per usual for ZagsFan....
 
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Blaze01 said:
Glad to see that debate has been settled 2 games into summer league....

Not what I said either, but whatever...

Master of the over statement strikes again...as per usual for ZagsFan....
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Pot.

Meet.

Kettle.
 
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Blaze01 said:
Glad to see that debate has been settled 2 games into summer league....

Not what I said either, but whatever...

Master of the over statement strikes again...as per usual for ZagsFan....
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Damage.

Is.

Done.
 
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You.

Made.

An.

Ass.

Of.

Yourself.
 
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Loud.

Noises.
 
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Blaze01: Way to stick to your guns and go down with the leaky scow with the rotted timbers and termite infested planks. That takes conviction. :wink:
 
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MickZagger said:
You.

Made.

An.

Ass.

Of.

Yourself.
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You talking about yourself now?

I think it is pretty funny how you and a couple of other posters are apparently so butthurt that you have to keep bringing me up in several threads after 4 games in summer league...lol...apparently you have thin skin\got feelings hurt by what I said :dunno:

Lillard has played well...against d-league type talent...let's see what he does against NBA caliber PG's before we annoint him as our next savior....
 
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Blaze01 said:
You talking about yourself now?

I think it is pretty funny how you and a couple of other posters are apparently so butthurt that you have to keep bringing me up in several threads after 4 games in summer league...lol...apparently you have thin skin\got feelings hurt by what I said :dunno:

Lillard has played well...against d-league type talent...let's see what he does against NBA caliber PG's before we annoint him as our next savior....
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I'm not sure why some people can't let it go. Everyone on this board with the balls to make predictions have been wrong. Big Deal.

However, FWIW I'll go on record as saying Lillard will be BETTER with the big boys than in summer league (give him a year first, though).
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
I'm not sure why some people can't let it go. Everyone on this board with the balls to make predictions have been wrong. Big Deal.

However, FWIW I'll go on record as saying Lillard will be BETTER with the big boys than in summer league (give him a year first, though).
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Did you see Blaze's diatribe against Lillard and anyone who thought we should pick Lillard? I'm not usually for this, but that dude needs to eat some crow.
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
Did you see Blaze's diatribe against Lillard and anyone who thought we should pick Lillard? I'm not usually for this, but that dude needs to eat some crow.
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Not that I dislike Lillard....but remember Jerryd Bayless? At least wait until the regular season before asking him to eat crow.
 
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B-Roy said:
Not that I dislike Lillard....but remember Jerryd Bayless? At least wait until the regular season before asking him to eat crow.
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I see your point, but Lillard is nothing like Bayless.
 
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B-Roy said:
My point wasn't to compare them as players, just that summer league sucess =/= NBA success.
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Different kind of success though.

Bayless dominated summer league by getting into the lane and drawing fouls. I swear the guy averaged like 12 free throws a game in SL. He never passed to his teammates and he couldn't buy an outside shot.

Lillard is the exact opposite.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Different kind of success though.

Bayless dominated summer league by getting into the lane and drawing fouls. I swear the guy averaged like 12 free throws a game in SL. He never passed to his teammates and he couldn't buy an outside shot.

Lillard is the exact opposite.
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Yeah, this is what I meant.
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
Yeah, this is what I meant.
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And the real point is, the success that Bayless had was not a success that could translate to the regular season. He wasn't getting the same calls against established NBA players that he was getting in SL, so he became far less effective. He also wasn't a point guard, so his inability to pass became a major problem.

Fast forward to Lillard, who has shown NBA range beyond the three point line, he has shown an ability to finish in the lane and draw fouls, AND more importantly he has shown an ability to run the pick and roll and find open teammates. I don't think I ever saw Bayless throw lobs like Lillard has..... and that was in two years of summer league, one of which was supposed to be him proving that he could play the point guard position and pass the ball.

This is definitely a night and day scenario. Apples and oranges. etc etc etc
 
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Natebishop3 said:
And the real point is, the success that Bayless had was not a success that could translate to the regular season. He wasn't getting the same calls against established NBA players that he was getting in SL, so he became far less effective. He also wasn't a point guard, so his inability to pass became a major problem.

Fast forward to Lillard, who has shown NBA range beyond the three point line, he has shown an ability to finish in the lane and draw fouls, AND more importantly he has shown an ability to run the pick and roll and find open teammates. I don't think I ever saw Bayless throw lobs like Lillard has..... and that was in two years of summer league, one of which was supposed to be him proving that he could play the point guard position and pass the ball.

This is definitely a night and day scenario. Apples and oranges. etc etc etc
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I already said the point wasn't to compare them as players. I just picked Bayless cause he was the first name off the top of my head. :lol:

There's numerous case of guys absolutely destroy summer league and failing in the NBA. Qyntel Woods is another. You guys acting like he's already a star when it's been 4 summer league games.
 
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B-Roy said:
I already said the point wasn't to compare them as players. I just picked Bayless cause he was the first name off the top of my head. :lol:

There's numerous case of guys absolutely destroy summer league and failing in the NBA. Qyntel Woods is another. You guys acting like he's already a star when it's been 4 summer league games.
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I would love to see a thread about summer league where Qyntel Woods is not mentioned. It's impossible. He and Jerryd Bayless will forever be remembered because they put up big numbers in summer league. Oh.... and Bo Outlaw. I'm surprised you didn't mention him.

The fact is, summer league has changed quite a bit since 2002-2003 when Woods played. It's actually endorsed by the NBA now, there's national TV coverage, and all the big lotto picks play. The competition is considerably better than it was ten years ago. I remember when it was a big deal that Wheels was going down to Vegas to broadcast the games on the radio, BUT they had to broadcast them on taped delay.

Hell, I remember only getting box scores (and not very good ones at that) to see how Zach Randolph had been doing. I remember hearing that Jermaine O'Neal and Bonzi Wells were destroying summer league back when we participated in the LA league, the Rocky Mountain Review, and the Vegas league.

This is a different league.

But I don't think anyone is saying Lillard is a star. We're merely saying he has some impressive abilities and he has more tools than Bayless did. He's obviously a point guard and not a shooting guard in a point guards body.
 
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