Has reality set in yet?

[Pinwheel1]

This mediocre man is on the $$$$

Amazing nobody cares that teams who pick I'm high twenties every year are killing an NBA bench

It is called knowledge. We have seen enough summer league games over the years to know that what you are saying makes no difference. But keep trying to get a reaction from us.

 

[julius]

Just because I live in ct doesn't mean I'm from ct! Let me get this straight this dude mixin is the only guy on here from ct?! Fuck

me thinks you doth protest too much.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

that our bench is getting dominated by guys that won't sniff the NBA?

CJ is leading the MVP race right now.
TRob is leading the league in rebounding for players that have played all 3 games.
ML sucks.

The other players don't matter.
If the point of this is "our 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th guys are getting dominated by scrubs" then it's a stupid point.
If the point is Leonard sucks, it's an obvious point.
If the point is CJ or TRob sucks, then it's factually wrong.

 

[Carlito]

Dude a lakers summer league team with no nba players on it destroyed us. That's not good

 

[Mediocre Man]

CJ is leading the MVP race right now.
TRob is leading the league in rebounding for players that have played all 3 games.
ML sucks.

The other players don't matter.
If the point of this is "our 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th guys are getting dominated by scrubs" then it's a stupid point.
If the point is Leonard sucks, it's an obvious point.
If the point is CJ or TRob sucks, then it's factually wrong.

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

 

[julius]

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

I've been disappointed in the play, but not necessarily from the guys who will get minutes this year (well, Leonard still has his moments of WTF?)...but there are a lot of over reaction to the summer play, both in a negative sense and a positive sense.

McCollum has looked good, but he's also looked like he's playing out of position (well, he is).

Robinson has looked good on the boards, but looks out of shape.

Claver is looking decent, but as a glue guy not a scorer.

Leonard seems to only be scoring because he's taller or quicker than the guys he's playing against. Not because he's better.


All in all, having a better PG would've been HUGE. Had Lillard played, they would be 3-0, and people would be talking about how awesome everyone is doing (cept Leonard).

 

[Pinwheel1]

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

It only makes a difference if we threw out that exact line up during the regular season.
When will we ever have those guys all playing together again? The answer is..... during a blow out.

There is only one real scorer in that whole group and he is playing PG. A position he has not played in a while. If they were kicking ass with a couple of veteran D league players, I would still say the same thing. It makes no difference.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Look at last night's game - Chicago was playing a lineup of 4 and sometimes 5 perimeter shooters. We don't have the players on this roster to match up with that. We have bigs, but bigs who at least at this point are not much in the way of low post scorers - so they couldn't hurt Chicago at the other end for fielding such a small lineup. In a real game, that won't be a problem.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

So, it's an emotional thang. You're frustrated by the losses, me too.

If winning was our big thing we would just not play Barton and play Claver regardless of injury - but it's not, it's about developing our players, even Barton. Yes, I am disappointed in Barton's play, too.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So, it's an emotional thang. You're frustrated by the losses, me too.

If winning was our big thing we would just not play Barton and play Claver regardless of injury - but it's not, it's about developing our players, even Barton. Yes, I am disappointed in Barton's play, too.

I don't think that's it, honestly.

I don't care if the team wins or loses in summer league, but I think it's a tad alarming that we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for most of the SL, and are getting beat.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I don't think that's it, honestly.

I don't care if the team wins or loses in summer league, but I think it's a tad alarming that we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for most of the SL, and are getting beat.

I'm curious; can you derive a correlation between SL performance (just wins and losses) and performance in the regular season and playoffs? I'm not going to do the work, but I figure you probably have the time and where-with-all to do it.

 

[maxiep]

and he's from Connecticut. his IP address was Connecticut based.

Exactly. We all know Rudy.

 

[magnifier661]

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

And... We still have Lopez, wright and Watson as rotation players right? All I'm caring about is 3 things.

1.) can t rob get rebounds and defend

2.) will cj be able to create his own shot and score

3.) will Leonard be able to play?

So far, two of the three came through

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm curious; can you derive a correlation between SL performance (just wins and losses) and performance in the regular season and playoffs? I'm not going to do the work, but I figure you probably have the time and where-with-all to do it.

Oh sure, let's get the cancer patient to do it, he has nothing better to do

I don't wanna do the work, but I don't think it matters, nor it is my concern. My concern is that one would think, a team with as many rotation players on it as ours should either be doing better than it is, or we should be really leery about next season

 

[maxiep]

Here is my thinking on the everyday rotation for this team. I'll try to make the sums come out to 48 per position, but it will vary assuming some scrubs get a few minutes

PG: Lillard (25), McCollum (12), Watson (11)

SG: Wes (30), Lillard (9), McCollum (8), Nico/Barton/Crabbe (scraps)

SF: Nico (32), Wright (15), Claver (scraps), Wes (scraps in a three guard lineup)

PF: Aldridge (20), Robinson (20), Claver/Freeland (scraps)

C: Lopez (25), Aldridge (15), Leonard/Freeland (scraps)

Bottom line, I don't see a one-position linear rotation for much of this roster. I see Lillard and McCollum as PG/SG, I see Nico playing some SG as well as SF. I see us playing a three guard lineup. I see Claver playing both the three and the stretch four. I see Aldridge playing a ton of "center in name only" with Robinson playing the low post as the backup PF. And I see Freeland playing a bit of center when he sniffs the floor.

Bottom line, on this summer league roster, I see the only players who will play meaningful minutes as being McCollum and Robinson. Everyone else will play less than 10 mpg. Injuries to our starters are of course another matter.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

um, yes he was. Do a search for mixum's posts, check the IP address and it's the same.

I don't care if you promised him you wouldnt say, posters here aren't stupid.

and he's from Connecticut. his IP address was Connecticut based.

Green font dude.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Oh sure, let's get the cancer patient to do it, he has nothing better to do

I don't wanna do the work, but I don't think it matters, nor it is my concern. My concern is that one would think, a team with as many rotation players on it as ours should either be doing better than it is, or we should be really leery about next season

HA! I guess so...

And without data, your "one would think" is no better than a gut reaction. Data would prove you possibly right or wrong.

So without doing that work, we'll just sit here on either side of the discussion tut-tutting at each other.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

um, yes he was. Do a search for mixum's posts, check the IP address and it's the same.

I don't care if you promised him you wouldnt say, posters here aren't stupid.

and he's from Connecticut. his IP address was Connecticut based.

Exactly. We all know Rudy.

And he has also posted as Brock.

 

[magnifier661]

HA! I guess so...

And without data, your "one would think" is no better than a gut reaction. Data would prove you possibly right or wrong.

So without doing that work, we'll just sit here on either side of the discussion tut-tutting at each other.

Oh that was good

 

[crandc]

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

Did someone call me? Is it time to eat? (if that does not make sense, enlarge picture)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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Did someone call me? Is it time to eat? (if that does not make sense, enlarge picture)

Why do you have a picture of my parent's cat?

 

[Natebishop3]

The point is we have had 4 rotation players on the floor for the summer league games and have lost every single one of them.

You yourself said you don't care about wins and losses, so why do you keep mentioning that we haven't won a game?

CJ has looked good. He's not as polished as Lillard, but he's not Bayless either. He will be able to contribute next season.

Robinson has looked good as well. His offensive game needs work, to be sure, but his rebounding is nice. He has a nose for the ball and he goes and gets it. I think he will contribute next season.

Claver has looked sharp. He can shoot, he plays D, he rebounds, and he plays smart. I'm not sure where the team sees him fitting in, but I think he could easily provide a few minutes off the bench next season.

Leonard is a project. Period. He looked much better last summer because we had a point guard last summer. I haven't seen one lob for Leonard in the three games I've watched. Lillard actually used him in the pick and roll. I think Leonard would look a lot better if he had a point guard who understood the pick and roll.

Freeland is not good.

Barton is also extremely raw. I love that he plays the passing lanes and pesters people on defense, but he never passes and he makes horrible decisions. The guy has a long way to go.

Outside of Robinson, CJ, and Claver (who didn't play in game 2), who else on our team is supposed to be some dominating player that will win games? The Bulls had three guys who were built for summer league. Snell, Teague, and that guy with the name I can't pronounce. SL was built for chucker guards who launch threes all game. It's perfect for CJ, but guys like Robinson, Leonard, Freeland, and even Claver are not "summer league guys". They're not going to put up huge points, and that's why we're losing. It's ratball. There is no offense, there is no set plays, there's just bring the ball up the floor and shoot. It's pickup basketball in essence.

 

[HailBlazers]

Thank You Voice of Reason^

 

[crandc]

Why do you have a picture of my parent's cat?

That's my cat Rudy!!!! Why would your doggie parents have a cat?

 

[magnifier661]

That's my cat Rudy!!!! Why would your doggie parents have a cat?

Sometimes cats and dogs can co-exist.

 

[THE HCP]

Check out this MIXALITO dude stirin' shit up. These games good or bad mean nothing! Guess who lead the whole summer league in '08 in PER.......... Bayless! The following summer......Anthony Randolph!


Sent from my baller ass iPad FAMS!

 

[Natebishop3]

Check out this MIXALITO dude stirin' shit up. These games good or bad mean nothing! Guess who lead the whole summer league in '08 in PER.......... Bayless! The following summer......Anthony Randolph!


Sent from my baller ass iPad FAMS!

They don't "mean nothing." They are a way of assessing players and working on strengths and weaknesses. Just because one player does well in SL and goes on to do nothing, doesn't mean you can't completely discount someone like Lillard doing well and going on to win ROY. They are real games against NBA level talent or fringe talent.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I am also one who is concerned watching these summer league games. I don't get the good feeling or reassurances that some here have that Olshey's bench will take this team to the next level this coming season.

To me summer league reinforces some of the thoughts I had after the flurry of movements, that Olshey is more rebuilding for the future than trying to add pieces for immediate success this coming season. Olshey could have gone the route of getting more proven vets on the bench so you know what you are going to get, instead he went for value plays with potential.

I hope the potential works out, but that bench is almost as big of a wild card as it was last season. To try and be positive (because the negative post will no doubt lead to bashing my basketball intelligence), a wild card is just that, it can be good, really good . . . or the other way.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Leonard is a project. Period. He looked much better last summer because we had a point guard last summer. I haven't seen one lob for Leonard in the three games I've watched. Lillard actually used him in the pick and roll. I think Leonard would look a lot better if he had a point guard who understood the pick and roll.

You don't need lobs thrown to you to play defense or rebound.

 

[magnifier661]

I am also one who is concerned watching these summer league games. I don't get the good feeling or reassurances that some here have that Olshey's bench will take this team to the next level this coming season.

To me summer league reinforces some of the thoughts I had after the flurry of movements, that Olshey is more rebuilding for the future than trying to add pieces for immediate success this coming season. Olshey could have gone the route of getting more proven vets on the bench so you know what you are going to get, instead he went for value plays with potential.

I hope the potential works out, but that bench is almost as big of a wild card as it was last season. To try and be positive (because the negative post will no doubt lead to bashing my basketball intelligence), a wild card is just that, it can be good, really good . . . or the other way.

Questions....

Do you think T. Rob will be a better back up PF than Freeland?

Do you think Wright will be a better back up than Claver?

Do you think CJ will be a better back up than Rice?

Do you think Lopez will be a better center than Hickson?

Those are really the key pieces here. Leonard will probably be the same Leonard as last year, so there is no real change in that department; but those pieces I just mentioned could be a big deal. I still think if we had maynor at the beginning of the season; we would have probably made the playoffs.