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beast crnjo said:
It's interesting how similar they all are. Some of the arguments they make are so stupid, it makes me wonder if there is such a thing as having a negative IQ.

Anyway, the extremely bad security had me about 85% sure this was an inside job, but now learning about this audio analysis, I'm now basically at 100%.

I wish more people were interested in investigating these types of things, but it's easier to post a stupid picture and forget about it I guess.
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I’m interested to dig into it more. I can say that within 10 minutes of the news breaking, the entire thing already looked like a hack job. Criminally irresponsible lapse of judgment is the absolute best case scenario, but it is too ridiculous at this point to believe THAT many boxes went unchecked. It’s worse than the 3 stooges.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’m interested to dig into it more. I can say that within 10 minutes of the news breaking, the entire thing already looked like a hack job. Criminally irresponsible lapse of judgment is the absolute best case scenario, but it is too ridiculous at this point to believe THAT many boxes went unchecked. It’s worse than the 3 stooges.
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I'll certainly believe it was deliberate negligence at the higher levels.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is what you expect when you have poorly designed systems. Our systems do not hold our officials accountable. Donald Trump has been one of the leading forces behind making new systems even more poorly designed and less able to hold our officials accountable.
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This issue goes back way further than Trump. Eisenhower and Truman warned of the dangers of the CIA and the military industrial complex. The fact that these powers exist and have already gotten away with mudering a president, and have blackmailed/threatened god knows who else is the problem. Remember when Chuck Schumer said (grinning from ear to ear) that Trump had crossed the intelligence community and they had 6 ways from Sunday to get back at him.
 
beast crnjo said:
This issue goes back way further than Trump. Eisenhower and Truman warned of the dangers of the CIA and the military industrial complex. The fact that these powers exist and have already gotten away with mudering a president, and have blackmailed/threatened god knows who else is the problem. Remember when Chuck Schumer said (grinning from ear to ear) that Trump had crossed the intelligence community and they had 6 ways from Sunday to get back at him.
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Yeah I didn't say anything started with. Trump has made exponentially worse by running off very skilled Patriots and drastically lowering the desirability of these positions. Not to mention nobody really wants to work for a an idiot.

We really screwed up by allowing Trump to be president for 4 years.

We need to avoid making that mistake again or things will continue to get much worse.

Then need to set about fixing our political system the ways I've described before.
 
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jonnyboy said:
I’m interested to dig into it more. I can say that within 10 minutes of the news breaking, the entire thing already looked like a hack job. Criminally irresponsible lapse of judgment is the absolute best case scenario, but it is too ridiculous at this point to believe THAT many boxes went unchecked. It’s worse than the 3 stooges.
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The lax security excuses were already straining credulity, and they kept piling up. Now we have audio proof of two shooters, which proves maleficence in my view. And makes it impossible to believe the lax security was accidental.

And this behavior is another step in the escalation, from character assassination, to lawfare, now bullets.

If they actually get Trump, I know many people on the left will cheer, not realizing what kind of establishment they are supporting. I know Trump is flawed, but I don't see any evil in him. He didn't prosecute or attempt to kill any of his rivals (as they said he would be Hitler).

I already see people trying to make an equivalence between Trump being snarky on stage to a system that will use evil tactics to go after their political opponents. The two things are not in the same hemisphere.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah I didn't say anything started with. Trump has made exponentially worse by running off very skilled Patriots and drastically lowering the desirability of these positions. Not to mention nobody really wants to work for a an idiot.

We really screwed up by allowing Trump to be president for 4 years.

We need to avoid making that mistake again or things will continue to get much worse.

Then need to set about fixing our political system the ways I described before.
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You seem to be talking about incompetency, I'm talking about maleficence. But let's not forget Biden has been president for almost 4 years, these are his secret service agents, so your point doesn't make sense.
 
beast crnjo said:
You seem to be talking about incompetency, I'm talking about maleficence. But let's not forget Biden has been president for almost 4 years, these are his secret service agents, so your point doesn't make sense.
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I'm talking about systemic changes that encourage incompetence as well as maleficence. Which limit incentive for highly qualified good quality people to serve.

The precedents set by Trump preceeded Biden.

Trump changed the rules. Every administration after him inherits those rules unless the administration chooses to change them. Do you honestly think they're going to change things to hold themselves more accountable?

No, that will have to come from us.

And once again, Trump very clearly counts Putin as an ally, if not his boss. That's not something very many well informed patriotic Americans want to be part of.
 
One of the major appeals in becoming a US politician is the ability to broker power without any consequence for corruption. Kleptocracy at its finest. It’s been bad the entire time but worse now than it’s been in 90 years.
 
Here is another long boring video making the case for a second shooter. It does have new info.

Short version. The building adjacent to the rooftop shooter lines up much better for the shot that hit Trumps ear. This building has an open window clearly visible in photos/videos taken soon after the shooting. This window is not secure.

They also believe the audio analysis in the prior video, fits this window, as the second shooters location.

I am still not 100% convinced there was more than one shooter. But, the red flags are everywhere.

If the Feds have proof that every shot came from the roof top. Such as all the empty shell casings where on the roof. They are not letting that info out to shut down the 2 shooter speculation.

 
oldfisherman said:
Here is another long boring video making the case for a second shooter. It does have new info.

Short version. The building adjacent to the rooftop shooter lines up much better for the shot that hit Trumps ear. This building has an open window clearly visible in photos/videos taken soon after the shooting. This window is not secure.

They also believe the audio analysis in the prior video, fits this window, as the second shooters location.

I am still not 100% convinced there was more than one shooter. But, the red flags are everywhere.

If the Feds have proof that every shot came from the roof top. Such as all the empty shell casings where on the roof. They are not letting that info out to shut down the 2 shooter speculation.

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The building behind the shooter is where the police reportedly were. Which also brings up the issue of them being right behind Crooks with an easy line of sight.

This was an inside job. JFK 2.0. (and I think you morons know I'm talking about the assassination aspect, not comparing their quality as leaders).
 
beast crnjo said:
The building behind the shooter is where the police reportedly were. Which also brings up the issue of them being right behind Crooks with an easy line of sight.

This was an inside job. JFK 2.0. (and I think you morons know I'm talking about the assassination aspect, not comparing their quality as leaders).
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HOW DARE YOU COMPARE TRUMP TO JFK. I AM NOW OUTRAGED AND WILL DISREGARD EVERTHING ELSE YOU WROTE. FEEL MY OUTRAGE.
 
beast crnjo said:
The building behind the shooter is where the police reportedly were. Which also brings up the issue of them being right behind Crooks with an easy line of sight.

This was an inside job. JFK 2.0. (and I think you morons know I'm talking about the assassination aspect, not comparing their quality as leaders).
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Wouldn't it be more like a Reagan 2.0 since the presumed target survived?

Nothing could possibly happen to Trump that would put the event in the same league as the JFK assassination.
 
jonnyboy said:
HOW DARE YOU COMPARE TRUMP TO JFK. I AM NOW OUTRAGED AND WILL DISREGARD EVERTHING ELSE YOU WROTE. FEEL MY OUTRAGE.
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Perfect.
 
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