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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
I agree he is not worth it, the new CBA really punishes teams who overpay for rotation\role players and not thier all star caliber players....Basically POR is paying him like he is an all star which he is not close to being...
On a championship caliber team he would be your 4th-6th best player, you don't pay those guys $11.5/year....
I think POR should let him walk, and then next year go after thier RFA Pekovic whom they will be hard pressed to match...and if they do then go after Rubio a year later...They can't afford to pay all that movey to these guys with the way the new CBA is constructed.....
I agree he is not worth it, the new CBA really punishes teams who overpay for rotation\role players and not thier all star caliber players....Basically POR is paying him like he is an all star which he is not close to being...
On a championship caliber team he would be your 4th-6th best player, you don't pay those guys $11.5/year....
I think POR should let him walk, and then next year go after thier RFA Pekovic whom they will be hard pressed to match...and if they do then go after Rubio a year later...They can't afford to pay all that movey to these guys with the way the new CBA is constructed.....
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
MEM is a playoff team, POR will be lucky to win 30 games next year....
MEM is a playoff team, POR will be lucky to win 30 games next year....
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
I admit I haven't looked into those contract all that much, but were the teams in the same situation as we are? Meaning, were those teams matching offers when they were already over the cap, or were they actually eating into capspace they could have used later?
If we were already over the cap (for example, had signed Hibbert) I'd have no problem with signing Nic, taking us even more over the cap. I just don't like the fact that we are limiting our flexibility now if we match this offer.
You have to add the cost of signing Nic and the opportunity cost that we're giving up to come to the real cost of matching this. If we're already over the cap, there is no opportunity cost.
I admit I haven't looked into those contract all that much, but were the teams in the same situation as we are? Meaning, were those teams matching offers when they were already over the cap, or were they actually eating into capspace they could have used later?
If we were already over the cap (for example, had signed Hibbert) I'd have no problem with signing Nic, taking us even more over the cap. I just don't like the fact that we are limiting our flexibility now if we match this offer.
You have to add the cost of signing Nic and the opportunity cost that we're giving up to come to the real cost of matching this. If we're already over the cap, there is no opportunity cost.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
Lou Williams was signed with the $5m exception. Ryan Anderson got $9m a year.
$11.625m a year seems like too much and a mistake to me. I won't be disappointed if we match, but I hope we do not.
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Lou Williams was signed with the $5m exception. Ryan Anderson got $9m a year.
$11.625m a year seems like too much and a mistake to me. I won't be disappointed if we match, but I hope we do not.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
disagree. At this point you can't let him go for nothing. In a S&T, sure. But not for nothing, when all we'd have is a 16M hole of cap space and no young SF.
But I agree that he's overpaid, based on Lou and Anderson and Ilyasova and others...
disagree. At this point you can't let him go for nothing. In a S&T, sure. But not for nothing, when all we'd have is a 16M hole of cap space and no young SF.
But I agree that he's overpaid, based on Lou and Anderson and Ilyasova and others...
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
to me one of the big surprises was that Dragic only got 30 mil for 4 years - very reasonable deal IMO
to me one of the big surprises was that Dragic only got 30 mil for 4 years - very reasonable deal IMO
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
Batum is the best SF left in the free agent pool. You match him at $11mil or offer a worse SF more money later because you couldn't close.
Batum is the best SF left in the free agent pool. You match him at $11mil or offer a worse SF more money later because you couldn't close.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
I agree... and that's at a position of scarcity and in an offseason where lots of teams are AWASH in money.
I'd rather hang on to cap flexibility for the next summer or two until the salaries settle down and some (lots?) of teams dig themselves into deep holes by signing player to deals like Batum's alleged 11.625m per.
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I agree... and that's at a position of scarcity and in an offseason where lots of teams are AWASH in money.
I'd rather hang on to cap flexibility for the next summer or two until the salaries settle down and some (lots?) of teams dig themselves into deep holes by signing player to deals like Batum's alleged 11.625m per.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
you let him go for nothing and you open yourselves up to get into the bidding process to get guys like Brendan Haywood off amnesty waivers. its flexibility you get. especially for a guy who will likely be a malcontent and moody.
you let him go for nothing and you open yourselves up to get into the bidding process to get guys like Brendan Haywood off amnesty waivers. its flexibility you get. especially for a guy who will likely be a malcontent and moody.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
uhh, you're not going to offer a bad SF more than 11m. you can probably find guys in the 5-7m range who would be just as effective as batum (he isn't very effective)
uhh, you're not going to offer a bad SF more than 11m. you can probably find guys in the 5-7m range who would be just as effective as batum (he isn't very effective)
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
we still have almost 6M to go after Haywood/Scola/(Darko?) or make lopsided trades.
we still have almost 6M to go after Haywood/Scola/(Darko?) or make lopsided trades.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
Not offer more than 46.5m, certainly.
If you offer a $4m/year value player $6m a year for two years, you might be overpaying more as a percentage of value, but it would be less onerous because it would leave you flexibility down the road in a way the Batum deal would not.
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Not offer more than 46.5m, certainly.
If you offer a $4m/year value player $6m a year for two years, you might be overpaying more as a percentage of value, but it would be less onerous because it would leave you flexibility down the road in a way the Batum deal would not.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
well, the reason is dragic is way overhyped for what he actually was. he's not going to be an impact player in this league. like i said, ramon sessions syndrome going on with him.
well, the reason is dragic is way overhyped for what he actually was. he's not going to be an impact player in this league. like i said, ramon sessions syndrome going on with him.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
as long as LMA is healthy i think that's a little pessimistic, and i don't see the relevance since batum will certainly make us better either way, and memphis was NOT a playoff team when they maxed out gay (summer 2010)
as long as LMA is healthy i think that's a little pessimistic, and i don't see the relevance since batum will certainly make us better either way, and memphis was NOT a playoff team when they maxed out gay (summer 2010)
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
Its nowhere else...interesting indeed...this would be a blow to Chris Haynes
Its nowhere else...interesting indeed...this would be a blow to Chris Haynes
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
no. I asked Bucher, Hollinger, Adande, Spears and Woj, and no one's come back (or RT'd themselves) yet.
no. I asked Bucher, Hollinger, Adande, Spears and Woj, and no one's come back (or RT'd themselves) yet.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
I don't feel $11mil a year for Batum is overpaying; he's an underutilized player who is entering his growth years (23-26) in terms of maturity and talent. If we're under the cap for the extent of his contract anyway (and we are), there's no flexibility lost on signing a guy who will improve with age and increased responsibility in his role.
I don't feel $11mil a year for Batum is overpaying; he's an underutilized player who is entering his growth years (23-26) in terms of maturity and talent. If we're under the cap for the extent of his contract anyway (and we are), there's no flexibility lost on signing a guy who will improve with age and increased responsibility in his role.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
just go with the assumption he will sign and go from there. where there's smoke there's fire.
just go with the assumption he will sign and go from there. where there's smoke there's fire.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
do you believe he will be an allstar? that's the litmus test if you want to pay over $11m a year for a guy.
do you believe he will be an allstar? that's the litmus test if you want to pay over $11m a year for a guy.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
that's the problem, though. Unless stuff's gone through the league office that NO ONE has tweeted/written about, MIN can't possibly offer the deal they say.
that's the problem, though. Unless stuff's gone through the league office that NO ONE has tweeted/written about, MIN can't possibly offer the deal they say.
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
He would be if the french would get off their ass and vote, damnit!
He would be if the french would get off their ass and vote, damnit!
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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million
In a conference with Kevin Durant? It'll be tough. I think he could make it one year in the four during the contract. Not perennial, mind you, but I think he could make it. I'll have a better feel for it after seeing him next to Lillard.
In a conference with Kevin Durant? It'll be tough. I think he could make it one year in the four during the contract. Not perennial, mind you, but I think he could make it. I'll have a better feel for it after seeing him next to Lillard.
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My answer is possibly, but it'll depend on how good Lillard is. See, my opinion is what they call "nuanced".
My answer is possibly, but it'll depend on how good Lillard is. See, my opinion is what they call "nuanced".
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I would tend to agree. But it is interesting how "close" Haynes became with the "source" if nobody else has reported it. Who is his source?
I would tend to agree. But it is interesting how "close" Haynes became with the "source" if nobody else has reported it. Who is his source?