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riverman said:
I don't see the plus side of the guy head coaching our roster at all.....I want a defensive minded coach and hopefully one that can stick around for as long as Terry did...the coach who comes in and teaches Dame to play defense on a string is going to make the game easier for Dame...he already knows how to put up volume shots...I've never been a fan of D'Antoni...he's with a team that will probably win it all this season and already he's looking to move again
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Yes, he took a position to help out a former player. If they win the championship it's time him to move on.
 
riverman said:
I don't think anyone eligible for social secrutiy benefits should be president either.....we elected the only choice to another old white guy....and D'Antoni hasn't won shit in the NBA....he doesn't stick anywhere for long
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agree about President. Mike almost beat one of the best teams ever assembled, Warriors but CP went down and game 7 I think they missed 20 plus three pointers. lol
If they are not able to spring lose guy like Spolestra, I really would like to see Eme get a shot, local boy comes home. Billups would be ok too.
Whoever they get its a roll of the dice and may end up losing more games than Stotts at his new team.
 
Its going to be another Seattle has been. Bob Wiese
 
Hoopguru said:
agree about President. Mike almost beat one of the best teams ever assembled, Warriors but CP went down and game 7 I think they missed 20 plus three pointers. lol
If they are not able to spring lose guy like Spolestra, I really would like to see Eme get a shot, local boy comes home. Billups would be ok too.
Whoever they get its a roll of the dice and may end up losing more games than Stotts at his new team.
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I'd like to see a younger coach with a feel for the modern game.....I'd hire Billups personally as a rookie coach. Billups is the guy who'd make the game easier for Dame given the way he ran the Pistons as the captain...Mr. Big Shot should coach Mr Clutch....
 
Fitz303 said:
The most relevant thing Stephen A said there was in regards to Kidd taking his name out of the running because people in Portland just wanted to bring up his past instead of just judging him on his coaching merits. It's this same reason I wouldn't be surprised to see Billups take the Celtics job (assuming it's offered) over Portland, if the same old stuff keeps getting brought up throughout the hiring process
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not sure i would dismiss it as portland being portland.

these aren't exactly minor issues.
 
Fitz303 said:
The most relevant thing Stephen A said there was in regards to Kidd taking his name out of the running because people in Portland just wanted to bring up his past instead of just judging him on his coaching merits. It's this same reason I wouldn't be surprised to see Billups take the Celtics job (assuming it's offered) over Portland, if the same old stuff keeps getting brought up throughout the hiring process
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I think the issue was a combo of things. Him assaulting his wife + his so so coaching.
 
illmatic99 said:
not sure i would dismiss it as portland being portland.

these aren't exactly minor issues.
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It is. They're not minor issues. But time has gone on. People change. How long do you punish a person for past transgressions? Do you think Lakers fans were up in arms about Kidd's domestic assault when he joined their coaching staff? Not saying Kidd's domestic abuse issue wasn't a big deal, it was, but it was 20 years ago. He paid his price. He didnt murder someone.

He hasn't proven to be a good coach. That should be the reason not to pursue him. Not half assed articles and tweet jabs at his past

Nobody in Boston is bringing up allegations that Billups had against him 24 years ago. It's really just Portland. That was 24 years ago. He's beloved in multiple cities, is a champion, and people here want to bring up alleged issues from 1997. Bring on David Vanterpool I guess. Checks all the fuzzy boxes anyway
 
Fitz303 said:
It is. They're not minor issues. But time has gone on. People change. How long do you punish a person for past transgressions? Do you think Lakers fans were up in arms about Kidd's domestic assault when he joined their coaching staff? Not saying Kidd's domestic abuse issue wasn't a big deal, it was, but it was 20 years ago. He paid his price. He didnt murder someone.
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yes, quite a few actually.

illmatic99 said:
It isn't unique to Portland.

From the LA blog:
Hiring Jason Kidd in spite of his criminal history would show how tone-deaf the Lakers really are

Despite a dark past that features legitimately criminal behavior, the Lakers are considering hiring Jason Kidd. An argument could be made that no team should.

By AnthonyIrwinLA@AnthonyIrwinLA May 11, 2019, 3:14pm PDT

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...estic-violence-driving-while-intoxicated-pole

JASON KIDD’S HIRING SHOWS NBA’S CONTINUED FAILURE ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

Jason Kidd received another NBA coaching job, even with his long history of domestic violence. He is just one example of a systemic NBA failure.


https://grandstandcentral.com/2019/...on-kidd-hiring-nba-failure-domestic-violence/
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His hiring was almost universally condemned on Lakersground

http://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?p=8141851
 
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Do you think Portland will hire a new coach before Boston?
The more I think about it the more I like Ime as our new coach. Consider who's he's been around for a number of years and he seems to be balanced not only with O&D but how he deals with players. Players I think like and respect him but I feel he would zero problem dealing players not following his instructions.
 
Hoopguru said:
Do you think Portland will hire a new coach before Boston?
The more I think about it the more I like Ime as our new coach. Consider who's he's been around for a number of years and he seems to be balanced not only with O&D but how he deals with players. Players I think like and respect him but I feel he would zero problem dealing players not following his instructions.
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I don't think Portland hires a coach before Boston..as to Ime.....I honestly don't know what he'd be like as a head coach other than he's been on Pop's bench for a long time...and even then Becky became the lead assistant. If he were that good I'd think Pop would have been grooming him to take over the Spurs.
 
illmatic99 said:
yes, quite a few actually.



His hiring was almost universally condemned on Lakersground

http://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?p=8141851
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That's 1 LA radio host. The other is a national hack that has nothing to do with LA or the fanbase, and while I'm not going through 13 pages of the message board. The first 2 pages look like a fanbase that dont want the lakers to hire a terrible coach (which I fully agree with). Even then, Billups is really the one that kills me. He could potentially be a really good coach for the Blazers and all people seem to care about is an allegation from over 2 decades ago
 
Fitz303 said:
That's 1 LA radio host. The other is a national hack that has nothing to do with LA or the fanbase, and while I'm not going through 13 pages of the message board. The first 2 pages look like a fanbase that dont want the lakers to hire a terrible coach (which I fully agree with). Even then, Billups is really the one that kills me. He could potentially be a really good coach for the Blazers and all people seem to care about is an allegation from over 2 decades ago
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if there was a charge, nevermind a conviction, I would probably have a different tune. Even a pattern of questionable behavior, like with Kidd. But there’s none of that with Billups. It’s an isolated incident from a long time ago that may or may not have been criminal. Gonna take more than that for me to care tbh. Not like the mob genuinely cares either, just something to get mad about for a couple days before moving onto something else.

TEAM BILLUPS.
 
crandc said:
I wonder if the woman in question has just gotten over it. That is not snark.
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Honest question - how do you feel about people like her who take money instead of pursuing charges against a violent crime?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honest question - how do you feel about people like her who take money instead of pursuing charges against a violent crime?
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how do you feel about people that lie about getting sexually assaulted?
 
I too was dismissive of this but then i read this.

Its just cringe worthy.



Is Billups really worth the trouble?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honest question - how do you feel about people like her who take money instead of pursuing charges against a violent crime?
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Considering the fact that rape is still the only crime where the victim is expected to prove they didn't want it (in burglary, auto theft, murder no one says the victim really wanted to be robbed or killed), considering she will invariably be told it's her fault, considering that even with rape shield laws she can expect her entire life to be scrutinized as proof she is making it up and it was her fault and she wanted it, considering how far more often than not public response to a rape charge is commiserating about how HIS life is being ruined, I can understand why a person would settle. But it isn't justice.
 
crandc said:
Considering the fact that rape is still the only crime where the victim is expected to prove they didn't want it (in burglary, auto theft, murder no one says the victim really wanted to be robbed or killed), considering she will invariably be told it's her fault, considering that even with rape shield laws she can expect her entire life to be scrutinized as proof she is making it up and it was her fault and she wanted it, considering how far more often than not public response to a rape charge is commiserating about how HIS life is being ruined, I can understand why a person would settle. But it isn't justice.
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It really sucks that in this day and age we can't trust the justice system to get it right everytime with these cases....we can calculate how to fly a helicopter on mars but not prove beyond a reasonable doubt a crime has been commited and allow money to sweep it under the rug.....I didn't know the Chauncey story until this last couple of weeks and now it bothers me ..he's served in official capacities in the players association and has a great reputation in the community....I'd like to see him as a good guy and give benefit of doubt but that's definitely faded now with this story coming out..
 
riverman said:
It really sucks that in this day and age we can't trust the justice system to get it right everytime with these cases....we can calculate how to fly a helicopter on mars but not prove beyond a reasonable doubt a crime has been commited and allow money to sweep it under the rug.....I didn't know the Chauncey story until this last couple of weeks and now it bothers me ..he's served in official capacities in the players association and has a great reputation in the community....I'd like to see him as a good guy and give benefit of doubt but that's definitely faded now with this story coming out..
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I remember the deal with Blazer players in SLC with minors. One of the girls friend said the accuser was making it up and she was instigating, my issue was that she was a minor! That in itself could be huge trouble.
That would never go away in this time.
 
Hoopguru said:
I remember the deal with Blazer players in SLC with minors. One of the girls friend said the accuser was making it up and she was instigating, my issue was that she was a minor! That in itself could be huge trouble.
That would never go away in this time.
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People have chemical imbalances, drug habits, steroid rage, bipolar disorders that aren't treated properly ....not saying that Chauncey or the lady had these things but you never know unless you actually know these folks what the story is....what's printed is stained with money but that doesn't water down that women and people of all walks are raped and don't get proper justice after the fact if it means a career is threatened by the outcome
 
riverman said:
It really sucks that in this day and age we can't trust the justice system to get it right everytime with these cases....we can calculate how to fly a helicopter on mars but not prove beyond a reasonable doubt a crime has been commited and allow money to sweep it under the rug.....I didn't know the Chauncey story until this last couple of weeks and now it bothers me ..he's served in official capacities in the players association and has a great reputation in the community....I'd like to see him as a good guy and give benefit of doubt but that's definitely faded now with this story coming out..
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Exactly how i feel
 
crandc said:
Considering the fact that rape is still the only crime where the victim is expected to prove they didn't want it (in burglary, auto theft, murder no one says the victim really wanted to be robbed or killed), considering she will invariably be told it's her fault, considering that even with rape shield laws she can expect her entire life to be scrutinized as proof she is making it up and it was her fault and she wanted it, considering how far more often than not public response to a rape charge is commiserating about how HIS life is being ruined, I can understand why a person would settle. But it isn't justice.
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It’s easy for me to say that I would want to pursue charges no matter what, but this was 20 years ago and if they gave her money that changed her life, I guess I could see wanting to make sure they were punished in some way.
 
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