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MickZagger said:
Portland people don’t clamor that Nurk should be DPOY.

Look at the defensive metrics. We’re really comparing him to Kanter? Yikes.
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No, they have not. Because they are not as stupid as the NO broadcaster who said it.
Look we can all manipulate stats in various ways. Here is one for you

Kanter last year made 5 million, averaged 11 rebounds per game with 0.7 block shots (77% from the line)
Adams last year made 30 million, averaged 8.9 rebounds with 0.7 blocked shots (And shot 44% from the line)

The bottom line: Who cares! No prospective coach is basing their decision on either one of them.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No, they have not. Because they are not as stupid as the NO broadcaster who said it.
Look we can all manipulate stats in various ways. Here is one for you

Kanter last year made 5 million, averaged 11 rebounds per game with 0.7 block shots (77% from the line)
Adams last year made 30 million, averaged 8.9 rebounds with 0.7 blocked shots (And shot 44% from the line)

The bottom line: Who cares! No prospective coach is basing their decision on either one of them.
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Zion, Ingram and Ball are what they’re basing their decision on. So you’re right.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Not the greatest sample size on that.

I would say their bubble is smaller than our bubble, lol.

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as a long time participant of RealGM, I'd say, if anything, those results will turn more away from Portland as more posters vote. Kind of a notable east coast bias to RealGM.

up to 42 votes now and all 6 of the new votes went to Boston or New Orleans

I happen to agree with the results so far though. I think there is more pressure with the Portland job and a much smaller margin for error
 
Shaboid said:
I understand your reasoning, but would offer another POV.

This perennial playoff Blazers team has seemed to plateau. The young Pelican team has more potential for growth.

I think the jobs are reasonably equal with all variables considered. They are both in "win or you're gone" situations and the Blazers are currently the better team. The Pels just need to make the playoffs though. Blazers need to do that, get out of the first round, AND not get swept in the second. The bar is a bit higher. It would be more likely to unlock the potential of the Pelicans to accomplish their goals than it will be for the Blazers, as the rosters currently sit. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
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I highly doubt the Blazers would fire the new coach if they made the playoffs and didn’t advance. (Depending on seeding.)

My notion was based on this premise. “Make the playoffs or get fired.” Not “make the playoffs, win the first round, and not get swept in the second.”

And the potential for growth hasn’t played out on the basketball court for New Orleans. Same record two years in a row. Zion played 50 more games this year. Same record as last year.

With that in mind, and the assumption that Neil wouldn’t fire a first year head coach for making the playoffs but not advancing, I’d say your job is much safer in Portland than in New Orleans.

However if the bar is “getting out of the first round” and “making the playoffs”, or your fired, then sure it’s a bit more comparable but even then… Zion would have to have a GOD LIKE season for them to even be .500 next year. I’m talking 35/10/6 averages. He played 50 more games with NO difference in winning percentage. People talk about Westbrook as empty stats but at least his teams show noticeable difference in win totals.
 
JoshuaHall said:
I highly doubt the Blazers would fire the new coach if they made the playoffs and didn’t advance. (Depending on seeding.)

My notion was based on this premise. “Make the playoffs or get fired.” Not “make the playoffs, win the first round, and not get swept in the second.”

And the potential for growth hasn’t played out on the basketball court for New Orleans. Same record two years in a row. Zion played 50 more games this year. Same record as last year.

With that in mind, and the assumption that Neil wouldn’t fire a first year head coach for making the playoffs but not advancing, I’d say your job is much safer in Portland than in New Orleans.

However if the bar is “getting out of the first round” and “making the playoffs”, or your fired, then sure it’s a bit more comparable but even then… Zion would have to have a GOD LIKE season for them to even be .500 next year. I’m talking 35/10/6 averages. He played 50 more games with NO difference in winning percentage. People talk about Westbrook as empty stats but at least his teams show noticeable difference in win totals.
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if Portland doesn't make it out of the first round a year from now, it probably won't be Olshey making decisions about the coach
 
illmatic99 said:
lol. isn't it funny how the people who act like they know everything don't really know anything?

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Great, now poll coaches and GMs, the people who actually matter.

And based on the reasoning of some of those posters, they don’t follow things very closely. One of the first posts, “I'd prefer to go to a team like the Pels where you have a potential all-time great but you'd be allowed a little more time for everything to gel and mess with the roster a bit.”

Is that why the last 2 coaches got one season each? Because they’re allowed so much time? Hahahahahahahahahahahahah fucking L O L
 
Ranking the 6 Head Coach Job Openings

It's "exclusive" ESPN content but here's the highlight - they rank the Blazers 6th. As in the worst...

The Blazers are replacing Terry Stotts, one of the longest tenured and most successful coaches in team history. (Only the legendary Dr. Jack Ramsay won more games as a head coach in Portland.) President of basketball operations Neil Olshey said recently that the Blazers' first-round loss, their fourth in the past five seasons, was "not a product of the roster." And, unless you happen to be Chauncey Billups, star Damian Lillard is on record as wanting someone else as coach. (Lillard endorsed Billups and Jason Kidd before the latter withdrew his name from the coaching search.)

There's certainly upside in Portland. The Blazers reached the conference finals just two years ago, and Olshey was more accurate in saying this roster should have been better than 29th defensively -- particularly if a new coach gets better defensive options in the frontcourt than key reserves Carmelo Anthony and Enes Kanter.

Still, this feels a lot like where the Houston Rockets were when searching for a new coach last offseason. If Portland doesn't improve quickly, the next changes might be a Lillard trade and a change in the front office, both of which would imperil a vulnerable new head coach.
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The rest of the teams are ranked:
#5: Washington
#4: Orlando
#3: Indiana
#2: New Orleans
#1: Boston

Have a good rest of your day everyone.
 
wizenheimer said:
if Portland doesn't make it out of the first round a year from now, it probably won't be Olshey making decisions about the coach
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Probably not.
But I doubt the coach gets fired.
If we get a half decent coach, it will be a large buyout.
And if we finally fire Olshey, it reflects on what people think of the overall roster build more than coaching philosophy. Especially if you believe that the Vulcans are going to be pulling the strings behind this hire.
Easy to say “look, we tried a different coach with a similar roster and got same results. It’s time we look at the roster itself.”
Boom.
New Orleans GM is getting absolutely destroyed by Pelicans media right now, for what it’s worth.
Unless of course we absolutely suck.
The Pelicans are NOT a stable franchise at ALL.
 
Blazers position is high risk, but I can't imagine there hasn't been dialogue between Olshey and Billups before this all went down.

Blazers position also likely pays more, so there is that to take into consideration.
 
noknobs said:
Ranking the 6 Head Coach Job Openings

It's "exclusive" ESPN content but here's the highlight - they rank the Blazers 6th. As in the worst...



The rest of the teams are ranked:
#5: Washington
#4: Orlando
#3: Indiana
#2: New Orleans
#1: Boston

Have a good rest of your day everyone.
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I'm not sure it's that bad, but I think a lot of Blazer fans are overrating the attractiveness of the HC job
 
At the end of the day, there's only 30 of these jobs. And only so many openings. More attractive or not, I would think whoever acts first in making a solid offer will land who they want to land. I wonder how much of a risk one would take in turning down an offer, and then potentially not landing one of the other jobs.

Chauncey comes in and interviews today, let's say. We love him. Make him a big offer. Is he turning it down? What if he's not the top choice of anywhere else, and they all land their top coach? Does he risk passing on a big offer for a maybe, and then have to be an assistant for another season?
 
JoshuaHall said:
I highly doubt the Blazers would fire the new coach if they made the playoffs and didn’t advance. (Depending on seeding.)
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They just fired Stotts because of it. That one is impossible to predict.

My notion was based on this premise. “Make the playoffs or get fired.” Not “make the playoffs, win the first round, and not get swept in the second.”
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Fair enough. If that is the baseline, then sure, Blazers playoff chances in a vacuum are better than the Pelicans.

And the potential for growth hasn’t played out on the basketball court for New Orleans. Same record two years in a row. Zion played 50 more games this year. Same record as last year.
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I think this is where we disagree. Moving forward, Pelicans Growth Potential > Blazers Growth Potential as the rosters stand now, imo. The new coaches of their respective teams will have a big impact on that though too, so I guess we will just have to wait and see. The team is more than just Zion, but yeah, he's only 21.

With that in mind, and the assumption that Neil wouldn’t fire a first year head coach for making the playoffs but not advancing, I’d say your job is much safer in Portland than in New Orleans.
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Again, that is impossible to predict, but if you are making that assumption then sure. If job security is #1 priority and someone gives you a guarantee that you won't get fired as long you make the playoffs, then this whole debate is kind of moot. I don't however think the expectations of the franchises are the same.

However if the bar is “getting out of the first round” and “making the playoffs”, or your fired, then sure it’s a bit more comparable but even then… Zion would have to have a GOD LIKE season for them to even be .500 next year. I’m talking 35/10/6 averages. He played 50 more games with NO difference in winning percentage. People talk about Westbrook as empty stats but at least his teams show noticeable difference in win totals.
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This I can't really argue with. It will take other players on New Orleans to improve for the team to make that leap. I still think the two jobs are about equal.
 
At the point I will be relieved when we can talk about an actual coach, whoever he/she is, instead of endless speculation.

At least the A's keep winning.
 
RR7 said:
At the end of the day, there's only 30 of these jobs. And only so many openings. More attractive or not, I would think whoever acts first in making a solid offer will land who they want to land. I wonder how much of a risk one would take in turning down an offer, and then potentially not landing one of the other jobs.

Chauncey comes in and interviews today, let's say. We love him. Make him a big offer. Is he turning it down? What if he's not the top choice of anywhere else, and they all land their top coach? Does he risk passing on a big offer for a maybe, and then have to be an assistant for another season?
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think this is where Neil's relationship with Warren LeGarie or whoever the coaches' agents are comes into play.
 
I have been all about fresh eyes this entire time but now I want Mike D'Antoni. It's a total 180 but I have my reasons. I think if we bring MDA in with a younger defensive specialist that everyone agrees is his heir apparent that a lot of great things can happen. MDA will unlock Dame and Dame will win an MVP and it will likely happen next season. So our offense will get even better. Our defense will get better because how could it get worse. I think if it's the right defensive associate head coach and if CJ is moved, we'll actually be contenders.

D'Antoni is the only known commodity among the candidates being mentioned and that's a big deal. So I say we roll the dice and see if not only Dame can buck his trend of not having success in the playoffs but if with the right moves, this team can be the one that gets D'Antoni a chip.
 
calvin natt said:
Blazers need to get moving. No reason to wait for the clippers to lose series. Just get it done. Figure it out. They know who they want. Now they have New Orleans And Washington to compete with.
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They are or have interviewed Billups and Hammon this week. They can agree now and make it official after LA is eliminated
 
JoshuaHall said:
I highly doubt the Blazers would fire the new coach if they made the playoffs and didn’t advance. (Depending on seeding.)

My notion was based on this premise. “Make the playoffs or get fired.” Not “make the playoffs, win the first round, and not get swept in the second.”

And the potential for growth hasn’t played out on the basketball court for New Orleans. Same record two years in a row. Zion played 50 more games this year. Same record as last year.

With that in mind, and the assumption that Neil wouldn’t fire a first year head coach for making the playoffs but not advancing, I’d say your job is much safer in Portland than in New Orleans.

However if the bar is “getting out of the first round” and “making the playoffs”, or your fired, then sure it’s a bit more comparable but even then… Zion would have to have a GOD LIKE season for them to even be .500 next year. I’m talking 35/10/6 averages. He played 50 more games with NO difference in winning percentage. People talk about Westbrook as empty stats but at least his teams show noticeable difference in win totals.
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Sign and trade Ball + a #1 pick for CJ. Re-sign Powell and with Ant, our guard group ain’t bad. All other efforts via draft and/or trade should then be made for a SF. Sign a vet PF that is known for defense. Re-sign Kanter and Melo
 
Rookie of the year plus a #1 pick for CJ??
 
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