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Chris Craig said:
The Blazers are being patient and allowing the process to play out. With BOS, DAL, and IND filling their vacancies, the Blazers aren't worried. WAS, ORL, and NOP aren't getting any of the Blazers finalists till the job here is filled.

If it is announced in the next couple of days it will be Hammon or God forbid MDA.

The longer it takes to announce the more likely its Billips.

I think there is conflict over Billups past though. It already cost him the Boston Job.

Jody wants Hammon, Neil wants Billups (Lillard does to but he also likes Hammon). Neil bring the best used carsalesman since PT Barnum, he will likely talk Jody into hiring Billups.

MDA will continue to hide on the bench behind Nash in BRK
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Did you actually see somewhere that Billups didn't get the Boston job because of his past?
 
Shut the fuck up already about Billups’ “past” it didn't and won’t cost him any job. Jason Kidd is about to get hired by a third different franchise and he’s actually got a conviction and a pattern of shitty behavior.
 
I agree with what Scalma said -- I would be lying if i said his past was not a minor concern like real minor but it's been what 20 plus years since this "might " have happened and he has been pretty dang clean since then so just leave it in the past. If you want to be worried about Billups be maybe concerned he has never been a HC before and stuff like that but bringing up the past is just petty and stupid at this point.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Neil should have been fired for bungling the LMA situation.

He should have been fired for what he did in 2016.

He should have been fired for wasting our picks on Zach Collins.

He should have been fired along with Stotts after we lost to the Pels.

He should have been fired WITH Stotts after the Denver series.

How is this dude still here?
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Horrible post, which is unusual for you.
By this logic, every GM and most coaches should be fired every year.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Horrible post, which is unusual for you.
By this logic, every GM and most coaches should be fired every year.
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It's a culmination of all the stupid things he has done in 9 years. Each one of those things, looking back at them, should be a fireable offense. So why the hell is he still here????

I'm not saying he should have been fired right at that moment in time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's a culmination of all the stupid things he has done in 9 years. Each one of those things, looking back at them, should be a fireable offense. So why the hell is he still here????
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Spurs GM should be long gone, too, then.
Ditto for Dallas GM.
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Natebishop3 said:
Dallas GM is gone. And you can't fire the owner and he's behind a lot of their stupid shit.

Why the Spurs though?
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LMA leaving
Kawhi leaving
stuck in the rut
What aggressive move to help the team has he made to help the team? None.
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
Please tell all of us what Neil has done that you consider a success and worth keeping around?
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I could take 20 minutes and make a list, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind.
Many have made up their minds about Neil. Reason won't change that.

But, let me say this. If ANYONE wants a REAL discussion, make a list of all of the moves done by all of the GMs, let's judge them and rank them. I certainly don't want to spend a bunch of time defending Neil, but it's easier for the detractors to just spill vitriol.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I could take 20 minutes and make a list, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind.
Many have made up their minds about Neil. Reason won't change that.

But, let me say this. If ANYONE wants a REAL discussion, make a list of all of the moves done by all of the GMs, let's judge them and rank them. I certainly don't want to spend a bunch of time defending Neil, but it's easier for the detractors to just spill vitriol.
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Neil has been good and bad....but his bad seems to have outweighed the good by a significant margin. Also, his unwillingness to remove Stotts much earlier or to keep going with the Dame/CJ tandem that is quite good offensively but very poor defensively has wasted many years stuck in mostly mediocrity.
 
TBpup said:
Neil has been good and bad....but his bad seems to have outweighed the good by a significant margin. Also, his unwillingness to remove Stotts much earlier or to keep going with the Dame/CJ tandem that is quite good offensively but very poor defensively has wasted many years stuck in mostly mediocrity.
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I think the good has outweighed the bad, but I respect your opinion (and I've known it for a very long time :) )
The Dame/CJ defense thing is a red herring. The problem is, and has been, overall talent in our bigs. If we had Giannis, everyone here would be talking about how great CJ is.

Neil definitely hung on to Stotts too long, but the model, which basically everyone on s2 agreed, was the Spurs franchise - stability, stability, stability.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
LMA leaving
Kawhi leaving
stuck in the rut
What aggressive move to help the team has he made to help the team? None.
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I mean.... LMA was washed up. So I don't think that matters

They definitely bungled the Kawhi trade. I thought that was a bad return. They should have blown it up.

I agree. They need to completely start over. There's nothing on that team worth building around.
 
blazerkor said:
They wanted LaMarcus gone and they traded and got value for Kawhi... these are things they've done well that Neil has blown.
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Bullshit. They didn't want LMA gone. The "value" they got for Kawhi has not earned them hca in the 1st round.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I could take 20 minutes and make a list, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind.
Many have made up their minds about Neil. Reason won't change that.

But, let me say this. If ANYONE wants a REAL discussion, make a list of all of the moves done by all of the GMs, let's judge them and rank them. I certainly don't want to spend a bunch of time defending Neil, but it's easier for the detractors to just spill vitriol.
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Well, I mean this is a Blazer forum.... I don't pay attention to other teams so I couldn't tell you what they have done well or badly. Serve it up. What is your list of positives?
 
Chris Craig said:
The Blazers are being patient and allowing the process to play out. With BOS, DAL, and IND filling their vacancies, the Blazers aren't worried. WAS, ORL, and NOP aren't getting any of the Blazers finalists till the job here is filled.

If it is announced in the next couple of days it will be Hammon or God forbid MDA.

The longer it takes to announce the more likely its Billips.

I think there is conflict over Billups past though. It already cost him the Boston Job.

Jody wants Hammon, Neil wants Billups (Lillard does to but he also likes Hammon). Neil bring the best used carsalesman since PT Barnum, he will likely talk Jody into hiring Billups.

MDA will continue to hide on the bench behind Nash in BRK
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Link? Source? Anything to corroborate that this is true?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I could take 20 minutes and make a list, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind.
Many have made up their minds about Neil. Reason won't change that.

But, let me say this. If ANYONE wants a REAL discussion, make a list of all of the moves done by all of the GMs, let's judge them and rank them. I certainly don't want to spend a bunch of time defending Neil, but it's easier for the detractors to just spill vitriol.
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You can look team's moves up including executives they've hired and fired year by year on RealGM if you want to but the fact remains that losing LaMarcus without anything and following it up with a spending spree on all misses, should have gotten Neil fired. I don't think his draft history or trades that he's won or lost would put his job in danger. Sticking with the same core for this long with no real growth is also a text book reason to fire a GM. Hell, saying that Terry has held the team back after firing him should get Neil fired because he held onto Stotts for nine fucking years.

You can try and spin it anyway you want but Neil has not been ambitious enough with trades at the foundational level of the roster and has tried to skate by with cosmetic changes instead while openly admitting that he cannot sign a meaningful free agent in this market. Why should he stay? What has he done for us? What are his accomplishments? Remember the team had settled on Dame before Olshey arrived (three weeks before the draft). So what has he done for us besides ride Dame's coattails and not put the right pieces around the best player in franchise history.
 
blazerkor said:
You can look team's moves up including executives they've hired and fired year by year on RealGM if you want to but the fact remains that losing LaMarcus without anything and following it up with a spending spree on all misses, should have gotten Neil fired. I don't think his draft history or trades that he's won or lost would put his job in danger. Sticking with the same core for this long with no real growth is also a text book reason to fire a GM. Hell, saying that Terry has held the team back after firing him should get Neil fired because he held onto Stotts for nine fucking years.

You can try and spin it anyway you want but Neil has not been ambitious enough with trades at the foundational level of the roster and has tried to skate by with cosmetic changes instead while openly admitting that he cannot sign a meaningful free agent in this market. Why should he stay? What has he done for us? What are his accomplishments? Remember the team had settled on Dame before Olshey arrived (three weeks before the draft). So what has he done for us besides ride Dame's coattails and not put the right pieces around the best player in franchise history.
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I struggle to think of many actual "wins" for Neil.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Link? Source? Anything to corroborate that this is true?
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Just my take

Though it's all over the place in articles that Jody wants Hammon and Neil wants Billups.
 
Chris Craig said:
The Blazers are being patient and allowing the process to play out. With BOS, DAL, and IND filling their vacancies, the Blazers aren't worried. WAS, ORL, and NOP aren't getting any of the Blazers finalists till the job here is filled.

If it is announced in the next couple of days it will be Hammon or God forbid MDA.

The longer it takes to announce the more likely its Billips.

I think there is conflict over Billups past though. It already cost him the Boston Job.

Jody wants Hammon, Neil wants Billups (Lillard does to but he also likes Hammon). Neil bring the best used carsalesman since PT Barnum, he will likely talk Jody into hiring Billups.

MDA will continue to hide on the bench behind Nash in BRK
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If Neil and Lillard want Billups and Jody wants Hammon then who the hell wants D'Antoni? Personally I think Lillard wants someone with proven experience and that's why D'Antoni is still considered a finalist. Name one player that hasn't liked playing in D'Antoni system?
 
BigGameDamian said:
If Neil and Lillard want Billups and Jody wants Hammon then who the hell wants D'Antoni? Personally I think Lillard wants someone with proven experience and that's why D'Antoni is still considered a finalist. Name one player that hasn't liked playing in D'Antoni system?
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Lillard likes Hammon too. MDA will not be the Blazers next coach.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I think the good has outweighed the bad, but I respect your opinion (and I've known it for a very long time :) )
The Dame/CJ defense thing is a red herring. The problem is, and has been, overall talent in our bigs. If we had Giannis, everyone here would be talking about how great CJ is.

Neil definitely hung on to Stotts too long, but the model, which basically everyone on s2 agreed, was the Spurs franchise - stability, stability, stability.
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I respect your opinion as well. The ironic thing is, Olshey could have had Giannis instead of CJ. A very close friedn of mine who very closely follows the Draft each year identified Giannis well before the Draft and had him in his Top 3. If he (an engineer) could figure that out, (as he has also done very well in Drafts for over 15 years), then why did Neil miss....and has continued to so badly in the Draft almost every year. (When he hasn't traded the picks away)
 
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