OT Healthcare

[Chris Craig]

Lab work, what a joke.

We aren't dogs like you. We don't have 'lab work' or 'poodle work', or any of that.

Besides, what is fetching a stick or slobbering on everyone going to tell a doctor?

barfo

Can dogs cough?

 

[Phatguysrule]

It is extremely rare to have something truly good, also be easy to accomplish.

and no monitoring is needed. We need to start itemizing our taxation based on nutritional value. We can put extra taxes on some things and reduce taxes on other things. Instead of blanket taxation, we can put added taxes onto skydiving and all that goes along with it. Etc. etc. etc.

It can be done though.

Sure, I see what you're saying. Just tax sweets and skydiving. Are you also taxing beef? How about pork?

 

[barfo]

It is extremely rare to have something truly good, also be easy to accomplish.

and no monitoring is needed. We need to start itemizing our taxation based on nutritional value. We can put extra taxes on some things and reduce taxes on other things. Instead of blanket taxation, we can put added taxes onto skydiving and all that goes along with it. Etc. etc. etc.

It can be done though.

Yes! What the US needs is a more complex tax code!

Can't believe no one has ever thought of this before!

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Can dogs cough?

Only the male dogs when getting a physical.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sure, I see what you're saying. Just tax sweets and skydiving. Are you also taxing beef? How about pork?

Fast foods

 

[Orion Bailey]

No ads. Just healthcare. Your doctor says you need this procedure. You get the procedure. Universal Healthcare pays the doctor and the procedure.

Done. No ads. Nothing to advertise.

a push for a healthier society will require advertising in commercials on tv and radio etc. already see some commercials like this.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But extra taxes on different things is a completely different discussion. Or, rather, a side discussion. The discussion is universal health care. There's again, pretend a generic added tax of 2% of income for healthcare. For everyone.
Then, you start taxing vices, if so desired. Trying to assess people's risk factors on UHC is futile, IMO, and ultimately is going to penalize the poor.

why is it s different discussion? Health care must be funded. Im' proposing a way to fund it where the highest health riskers (by choice) pay more into it than those with a lower risk lifestyle.

Thats all. Is not the main hold up is how to fund universal health care?

how is it s separate discussion? My push back all along has been with universal health care and everyone paying in equally, isnt fair.
That's all, figure out a sliding scale for high risk vs low risk lifestyles and id be for it.

So taxing high risk lifestyles more will hurt the poor? Is it only the poor eating fast food and going rock climbing?
You wil have to explain how that would hurt the poor.
I thought having them healthier would reduce their health care needs no?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes! What the US needs is a more complex tax code!

Can't believe no one has ever thought of this before!

barfo

why do you bother?

eek. Gads all we need is a universal healthcare system!
I cant believe no one has ever thought of that before the last few years….!!! Everyone before is just an idiot!!

gimme a break…

This is a real discussion. Please dont quote me if your not gonna be real about it.

some people here may genuinely enjoy discussing the details with others whether we agree or not.

Or are you just one of the many peanut gallery folk who only chime in when you think you “got one over on the other poster?”

If your not gonna engage seriously then please dont quote me.

 

[Phatguysrule]

a push for a healthier society will require advertising in commercials on tv and radio etc. already see some commercials like this.

There are no commercials needed. That's your deal, not mine.

 

[Phatguysrule]

ahy is it s different discussion? Health czre must be funded. Im proposing a way to fund it where the highest health riskers (by choice) pay more into it than those with a lower risk lifestyle.

Thats all. Is nti the main hold up is how to fund universal health care?

how is it s separate discussion? My push back all along has been with universal health care and everyone paying in equally, isnt fair.
That's all, figure out a sliding scale for high risk vs low risk lifestyles and id be for it.

So taxing high risk lifestyles more will hurt the poor? Is it only the poor eating fast food and going rock climbing?
You wil have to explain how that would hurt the poor.
I thought having them healthier would reduce their health care needs no?

It's already funded. A Canada style system would cost us much less. There is no additional funding needed.

Keep the current taxes in place and there is more than enough.

Your sin taxes really aren't necessary. But if it makes you feel better and you really want to give the government excess money and make taxes harder for businesses, not to mention make shopping more cumbersome... I mean, sure...

 

[donkiez]

Health czre must be funded. Im proposing a way to fund it where the highest health riskers (by choice) pay more into it than those with a lower risk lifestyle.

You are actually proposing and incredibly complicated social engineering program to regulate society. Congratulations you have turned freedom into oppression and more government control by introducing a new system that is impossible to monitor and keep updated, but keeps government in every aspect of your personal life and lifestyle decisions.

 

[Hoopguru]

We should have options whats so terrible about that. Government provided health care or private. It shouldn't have to be one way or the other.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There are no commercials needed. That's your deal, not mine.

How else will you get better health advice and info out to the public? Wait until they admit themselves for care?

 

[Orion Bailey]

You are actually proposing and incredibly complicated social engineering program to regulate society. Congratulations you have turned freedom into oppression and more government control by introducing a new system that is impossible to monitor and keep updated, but keeps government in every aspect of your personal life and lifestyle decisions.

as opposed to having to pay into someone elses bad habits?


Like i said. Nothing good is easy.
But hey forcing me to pay inti something to aid others’ bad habits isn’t taking my freedom away at all is it?

lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's already funded. A Canada style system would cost us much less. There is no additional funding needed.

Keep the current taxes in place and there is more than enough.

Your sin taxes really aren't necessary. But if it makes you feel better and you really want to give the government excess money and make taxes harder for businesses, not to mention make shopping more cumbersome... I mean, sure...

we have already discussed Canada. They pay more in taxes.
See @Chris Craig ’s post.

 

[donkiez]

as opposed to having to pay into someone elses bad habits?


Like i said. Nothing good is easy.
But hey forcing me to pay inti something to aid others’ bad habits isn’t taking my freedom away at all is it?

lol.

Do you J walk? I don't, that's excessive risk you should be charged for it.

 

[Chris Craig]

we have already discussed Canada. They pay more in taxes.
See @Chris Craig ’s post.

I should clarify. They pay more, but not a lot more. Canadians pay 15%-33%. Americans 10% - 31%. Both based on levels of income.

Canadians get a lot more for paying just a little more. Universal healthcare and other public services such as a higher quality of education and more efficient social services.

 

[Phatguysrule]

we have already discussed Canada. They pay more in taxes.
See @Chris Craig ’s post.

We are talking about healthcare. They spend less on healthcare. What we spend on the military isn't relevant. Just like Canada's tax rate isn't relevant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How else will you get better health advice and info out to the public? Wait until they admit themselves for care?

You let them talk to their doctor... most people will go to the doctor once there is no point of service cost. Then just get them on the schedule for their next checkup.

Then you start removing subsidies for unhealthy things. People will choose the most cost effective options, and once the price for unhealthy items are no longer artificially low people will buy less of them.

There doesn't need to be a large advertising budget. A commercial here or there isn't bad, but it's also not necessary.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Do you J walk? I don't, that's excessive risk you should be charged for it.

its illegal and if caught as supposed to get a ticket.

 

[Orion Bailey]

We are talking about healthcare. They spend less on healthcare. What we spend on the military isn't relevant. Just like Canada's tax rate isn't relevant.

how is it not relevant? They pay into a tax system that provides universal health care. They pay more taxes per person than we do.
How do they spend less on health care, virtually no military but still have a higher taxation per person than us?


Doesn't add up at all. Id have to see all the detailed numbers to but into that one.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I should clarify. They pay more, but not a lot more. Canadians pay 15%-33%. Americans 10% - 31%. Both based on levels of income.

Canadians get a lot more for paying just a little more. Universal healthcare and other public services such as a higher quality of education and more efficient social services.

but no military defense.

 

[Hoopguru]

I covered Western Canada for nearly 35 years and most Canadians I knew (many) were not all that pleased with Gov provided health care, primarily long wait times and not able to select own doc. I knew numerous folks that traveled here to have serious operations performed because they could afford it, but couldn't afford to wait.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You let them talk to their doctor... most people will go to the doctor once there is no point of service cost. Then just get them on the schedule for their next checkup.

Then you start removing subsidies for unhealthy things. People will choose the most cost effective options, and once the price for unhealthy items are no longer artificially low people will buy less of them.

There doesn't need to be a large advertising budget. A commercial here or there isn't bad, but it's also not necessary.

i like that. NOt bad.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Should we make @Chris Craig work and create a thread for universal health care discussion and make him move these there? Seems we may be muddying up this thread a bit. Just a thought.

 

[Phatguysrule]

as opposed to having to pay into someone elses bad habits?


Like i said. Nothing good is easy.
But hey forcing me to pay inti something to aid others’ bad habits isn’t taking my freedom away at all is it?

lol.

You are already paying for people's "bad habits". You don't want to do that? Move out of society.
Instead, you are actively advocating for dystopian systems so you can control people who aren't like yourself and remove their freedom.

Who determines what bad habits are? Yikes.

 

[donkiez]

its illegal and it caught as supposed to get a ticket.

What about the health care costs of people getting hit by cars out of the cross walk? So we don't care about offsetting that with risky behavior anymore? Why are we only worried about people who get caught? Wouldn't the weekly health questionnaire catch those that engage in this type of behavior?

 

[Phatguysrule]

how is it not relevant? They pay into a tax system that provides universal health care. They pay more taxes per person than we do.
How do they spend less on health care, virtually no military but still have a higher taxation per person than us?


Doesn't add up at all. Id have to see all the detailed numbers to but into that one.

I showed you their healthcare budget compared to ours. This is not controversial. If you want to challenge that data bring some evidence with you. Honestly, get serious or exit the conversation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

@Orion Bailey has asked for a separate thread for discussing healthcare.

 

[julius]

You are already paying for people's "bad habits". You don't want to do that? Move out of society.
Instead, you are actively advocating for dystopian systems so you can control people who aren't like yourself and remove their freedom.

Who determines what bad habits are? Yikes.

like I said, heartless.