Heat to make a run at Oden?

[Minstrel]

QFT. Many fans are in denial about just how screwed up the team was *before* Oden got hurt. A repeat of the first 20 games of last season is still a one-round-and-out team.

A repeat of the first 20 games, if it continues all season long and into the playoffs. The main problem, to me, of Oden being hurt is that there was never a chance for everyone to adapt to each other. As, for example, Roy and Miller adapted to one another.

Oden wasn't being used anywhere near optimally in those games before he got hurt, IMO, but I think the default assumption is that things would have changed as the players played together more, not that nothing would have changed and the team would have been playing, in game 81, like they played in game 20.

 

[BBert]

That was troubling, wasn't it? The difference this year is that Dre is a great passer into the post as well as delivering the alley oop. My concern comes more from Brandon. He pouted when Miller controlled the ball; what's he going to do when we have a legitimate post player demanding high percentage shots.

Exactly. Considering how Roy acted when forced to play with Miller, how's he going to react when he's left watching Miller and Oden playing off each other? We saw in preseason that when Miller is given free reign to direct the offense, he loves to get the ball to the big man. My advice to Roy is he should be the man learning to work a two man game with G.O.

 

[e_blazer]

A repeat of the first 20 games, if it continues all season long and into the playoffs. The main problem, to me, of Oden being hurt is that there was never a chance for everyone to adapt to each other. As, for example, Roy and Miller adapted to one another.

Oden wasn't being used anywhere near optimally in those games before he got hurt, IMO, but I think the default assumption is that things would have changed as the players played together more, not that nothing would have changed and the team would have been playing, in game 81, like they played in game 20.

Exactly right. It takes time for a team to adjust to new players and roles.

 

[OddEnormous]

k chill.

hating on real non laker fans commenting on other teams bandawagons or lack there of seems to have a bandwagon nowadays too.

 

[BGrantFan]

That was troubling, wasn't it? The difference this year is that Dre is a great passer into the post as well as delivering the alley oop. My concern comes more from Brandon. He pouted when Miller controlled the ball; what's he going to do when we have a legitimate post player demanding high percentage shots.

Roy taking shots wasn't the problem. Miller off the bench taking nearly as many shots as Roy, and more than LA and Oden early last season, was a big fucking problem. I don't want to see Miller take a shot outside of 17' this year. I'd gladly trade 5 shots by Miller for 5 more touches for Oden.

 

[Sex Panther]

hating on real non laker fans commenting on other teams bandawagons or lack there of seems to have a bandwagon nowadays too.

Thats actually not what I meant when I made that comment.

But thanks for coming out.

 

[OddEnormous]

But thanks for coming out.

You are simply majestic on the keyboard. Oscar Wilde has nothing on you.

 

[Sex Panther]

d'awww

 

[KingSpeed]

Well considering when Oden was playing last year it appeared to me at times the team froze him out of the offense, I have every reason to be concerned. Fortunately, one of the players who was a big culprit (Blake) is now gone.

Bullshit. More assists to Oden came from Blake than any other player. This is a fact.

 

[LittleAlex]

Bullshit. More assists to Oden came from Blake than any other player. This is a fact.

Prove it. You have a link somewhere that clearly shows most of the assists to Oden came from Blake I would love to see it.

Cause I am not buying it.

Frankly, most of Oden's baskets were unassisted. He got the ball in the post, dribbled a couple of times then tossed up a hook shot.

I can count on one hand the number of times he received the ball on the move towards the basket.
The only ones I recall came from passes from LMA in the high post.

Both Roy and Blake would look at Oden in the post, then reverse the ball around the perimeter.
That seemed to happen quite a lot IIRC.

Nate, Roy and Blake treated the idea of a big man in the post like it was some sort of impossible, four dimensional puzzle they couldn't solve.


That was mighty frustrating to watch.

 

[KingSpeed]

Prove it. You have a link somewhere that clearly shows most of the assists to Oden came from Blake I would love to see it.

Cause I am not buying it.

Frankly, most of Oden's baskets were unassisted. He got the ball in the post, dribbled a couple of times then tossed up a hook shot.

I can count on one hand the number of times he received the ball on the move towards the basket.
The only ones I recall came from passes from LMA in the high post.

Both Roy and Blake would look at Oden in the post, then reverse the ball around the perimeter.
That seemed to happen quite a lot IIRC.

Nate, Roy and Blake treated the idea of a big man in the post like it was some sort of impossible, four dimensional puzzle they couldn't solve.


That was mighty frustrating to watch.

What the fuck are you talking about? Oden didn't shoot 60% from the field shooting unassisted hook shots! He made wide open dunks created by Roy and Blake. Maybe they didn't create for him as much as we'd like, but they created for him more than anyone else on the team. I remember a game vs Minnesota when Blake set up Oden for FOUR wide open dunks. All 7 of Oden's shots were assisted on. In addition to Blake's 4 assts, Roy had 2 and Howard had 1.

Here's the link to that play by play. Also if you watch the highlight reel, you can see one of Blake's passes to Oden at the 1:33 mark. Roy set him up at 0:49 too.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091121/MINPOR/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Someone here posted the actual stats for all of Oden's shots last season. I don't have that link but Blake had the most assists to Oden. Roy had the second most. And then there was a big drop off.

 

[Minstrel]

KingSpeed, can you please reduce the size of your signature? It's generally far larger than your actual post and it's annoying to have to scroll past all those images over and over in a thread.

 

[KingSpeed]

KingSpeed, can you please reduce the size of your signature? It's generally far larger than your actual post and it's annoying to have to scroll past all those images over and over in a thread.

Give me a couple weeks to cheer for the Celtics and then I'll go back to a smaller signature.

 

[BBert]

Nate, Roy and Blake treated the idea of a big man in the post like it was some sort of impossible, four dimensional puzzle they couldn't solve. That was mighty frustrating to watch.

 

[BGrantFan]

Prove it. You have a link somewhere that clearly shows most of the assists to Oden came from Blake I would love to see it.

Cause I am not buying it.

Frankly, most of Oden's baskets were unassisted. He got the ball in the post, dribbled a couple of times then tossed up a hook shot.

Frankly, you're full of shit.

54% of Oden's baskets last year were from an assist.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09POR19.HTM

Comparatively, 35% of Roy's baskets were via assist, and 57% of Aldridge's basket were by assist.