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Chris Craig said:
ITS NOT BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IT IS BECAUSE OF DEFUNDING BY THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. (THEIR LOGIC OR LACK OF IT MUST BE IF W. AND TRUMP CAN GET ELECTED WHO NEEDS EDUCATION) THIS IS WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.
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So this problem is fixed when there is a Democrat in office. No crowding in schools. Illegals and Citizens working in perfect harmony with each other, building tech of the future together.

Nice.
 
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dviss1 said:
You like segregation? Let's keep those "animals" away from us?

They called us animals too...
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Populations tend to segregate themselves. A school of a similar demographic will probably be better than one that is extremely diverse for the sake of staying diverse.

Plus they have the $12 billion, should be able to ball outta control with their own school if they are injecting so much money into the economy.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So this problem is fixed when there is a Democrat in office. No crowding in schools. Illegals and Citizens working in perfect harmony with each other, building tech of the future together.

Nice.
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No its fixed when whoever is in government republican or democrat decides to take education seriously and started giving it the attention it needs. Schools are getting worse every year. Children are our future. Not properly funding schools and giving our children the education they deserve and need, is fucking our future. And, shit runs downhill.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Populations tend to segregate themselves. A school of a similar demographic will probably be better than one that is extremely diverse for the sake of staying diverse.

Plus they have the $12 billion, should be able to ball outta control with their own school if they are injecting so much money into the economy.
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12 billion is not enough. It sounds like a big number, but when you take into account all of the school districs and schools in the US, when it is divided between them, its not nearly enough. Every year schools close. Teachers are laid off. Class sizes increase. Text books are out of date. Etc etc.
 
Chris Craig said:
No its fixed when whoever is in government republican or democrat decides to take education seriously and started giving it the attention it needs. Schools are getting worse every year. Children are our future. Not properly funding schools and giving our children the education they deserve and need, is fucking our future. And, shit runs downhill.
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It needs a complete overhaul.
Reducing the number of teachers and using that to buy equitpment and digital methods of learning such as online courses, audio-learning, video, etc and integrating new methods of learning is needed in this new digital age. Needs to run more efficiently. Destroying the old model is step #1.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
You literally don't. It is ok to be wrong about things. Being a dick about it when you are is really unbecoming.
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I'm not being a dick. I'm being real. Nothing I have said in this wrong.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
It needs a complete overhaul.
Reducing the number of teachers and using that to buy equitpment and digital methods of learning such as online courses, audio-learning, video, etc and integrating new methods of learning is needed in this new digital age.
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I agree it needs a lot of work. We need more teachers not less, have you been listening. We do need new methods of teaching. Less concentration on test scores. More concentration on harnessing our kids creativity. Making teaching fun and truthful. Teaching them how to think for themselves.
 
Chris Craig said:
I agree it needs a lot of work. We need more teachers not less, have you been listening. We do need new methods of teaching. Less concentration on test scores. More concentration on harnessing our kids creativity. Making teaching fun and truthful. Teaching them how to think for themselves.
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I'd say we need to pay them less, put a lot of the learning online and replace teachers with more "proctors" that monitor. Creativity can be directed online with computers and programs and learning systems. Its an outdated model to have teachers hold kids hands.

People can learn shit really well on the Khan Academy. Make it institutional.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I'd say we need to pay them less, put a lot of the learning online and replace teachers with more "proctors" that monitor. Creativity can be directed online with computers and programs and learning systems. Its an outdated model to have teachers hold kids hands.

People can learn shit really well on the Khan Academy. Make it institutional.
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Pay them less? Hahahaha you just don't get it. Kids a tually learn better hands on. When they get expirement and question. Putting all education on computers would just make more zombies. Kids are too glued to phones, games, social media etc...they aren't experiencing the world. I monitor my kids time on electronics...I don't want him to be a zombie. If you had kids you might understand.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm not being a dick. I'm being real. Nothing I have said in this wrong.
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You don't even know what I was talking about as far as repairability of modern automobiles. You don't have a clue as to the liability I expose myself to every day I go to work.

You don't and never will until someone you love dies in a crash because the airbags didn't go off or if they did work they deployed early or late. Or the frame rail collapses because someone repaired it when they shouldn't have or sectioned it where they shouldn't have. As I said, you literally don't know the first thing about it.

Then you'll actually want to know. That will be too late.

Turning a blind eye to or encouraging illegal immigration because it feeeels good to your liberal idealism may not hurt you or someone you love but it will hurt someone. As long as you don't actually KNOW you can continue to make sarcastic comments as you see fit.

I'll continue to not care what race someone is and I'll continue to care about their qualifications and character and abilities. Something liberals used to be able to say.

So what if Republicans never did. Today's liberals don't either.
 
Chris Craig said:
Pay them less? Hahahaha you just don't get it. Kids a tually learn better hands on. When they get expirement and question. Putting all education on computers would just make more zombies. Kids are too glued to phones, games, social media etc...they aren't experiencing the world. I monitor my kids time on electronics...I don't want him to be a zombie. If you had kids you might understand.
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That's analog thinking in a digital world bro. Teachers should be basically robots, not being able to input their own thoughts into the lesson plan. It needs to be standardized.

The best systems in the world are in Asia. Do you think they let teachers have a lot of leeway in being creative and look at the fucking butterflys and dance in the forrest and all that hippie ass shit?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
You don't even know what I was talking about as far as repairability of modern automobiles. You don't have a clue as to the liability I expose myself to every day I go to work.

You don't and never will until someone you love dies in a crash because the airbags didn't go off or if they did work they deployed early or late. Or the frame rail collapses because someone repaired it when they shouldn't have or sectioned it where they shouldn't have. As I said, you literally don't know the first thing about it.

Then you'll actually want to know. That will be too late.

Turning a blind eye to or encouraging illegal immigration because it feeeels good to your liberal idealism may not hurt you or someone you love but it will hurt someone. As long as you don't actually KNOW you can continue to make sarcastic comments as you see fit.

I'll continue to not care what race someone is and I'll continue to care about their qualifications and character and abilities. Something liberals used to be able to say.

So what if Republicans never did. Today's liberals don't either.
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I hear you. Cars should be made here. They should built with well paid well knowledgeable workers. They should be built safely, not by some foriegn workers paid measely wages who don't know what they are doing. American made is the way it should be. These companies are all about the bottom dollar, building their cars abroad to save a few pennys and pay workers less and use cheap parts. They don't really give a damn about safety. Some companies have gone as far as to fake test results. Its terrible.

I lost a cousin to a car crash. My wife's mother nearly died in one. To not know if your car is going to suddenly fall apart and kill you. That as scary shit. You as someone who works with cars probabky witnesses the shoddy work. I know you have. I see your anger about it. I get it. Maybe not exactly how you get it, but I do.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
That's analog thinking in a digital world bro. Teachers should be basically robots, not being able to input their own thoughts into the lesson plan. It needs to be standardized.

The best systems in the world are in Asia. Do you think they let teachers have a lot of leeway in being creative and look at the fucking butterflys and dance in the forrest and all that hippie ass shit?
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Jesus God NO
 
Chris Craig said:
I hear you. Cars should be made here. They should built with well paid well knowledgeable workers. They should be built safely, not by some foriegn workers paid measely wages who don't know what they are doing. American made is the way it should be. These companies are all about the bottom dollar, building their cars abroad to save a few pennys and pay workers less and use cheap parts. They don't really give a damn about safety. Some companies have gone as far as to fake test results. Its terrible.

I lost a cousin to a car crash. My wife's mother nearly died in one. To not know if your car is going to suddenly fall apart and kill you. That as scary shit. You as someone who works with cars probabky witnesses the shoddy work. I know you have. I see your anger about it. I get it. Maybe not exactly how you get it, but I do.
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It is almost all robots. If they could do away with people they would.

Here is an example. VW parts. They've started making tons of them in Mexico. I had a bumper cover from VW that was falling apart right out of the box.

Is it the worker?

I can't say it is. If they move production there to save money maybe they're using cheaper materials too? Or the tools to make them are cheaper?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
It is almost all robots. If they could do away with people they would.

Here is an example. VW parts. They've started making tons of them in Mexico. I had a bumper cover from VW that was falling apart right out of the box.

Is it the worker?

I can't say it is. If they move production there to save money maybe they're using cheaper materials too? Or the tools to make them are cheaper?
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I hadn't thought of that. Yeah fucking robots. Robots can't see a faulty part. Can't see a crack. Don't know to double check things. Yeah I have heard cheaper parts. Cheaper tools wouldn't suprise me.
 
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Lanny said:
I mean, how sick can a man get? Answer - pretty damned sick.
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Pretty damned sick apparently. I want nothing to do with womens pee. Nor do I want see anyone bathe in, drink, or do anything else with.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
They also fuck up schools by putting a bunch of kids that cant speak English in them too.

So countries with a lack of illegals don't have people to clean houses and scrub toilets?

I'll pay 2 bucks for an apple, fuck it
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Chris Craig said:
Actually, they don't fuck up schools. For one it allows for a great diversity, and for another more jobs, for bilingual teachers
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https://www.niche.com/k12/oxnard-high-school-oxnard-ca/

Notice the D rating for Resources and Facilities

Man o man! Look at the wonder Proficient scores ;
Math 15%
Reading 47%
Diversity B+ Not sure what the fuck this means but it sure ain't getting the Math to the needy.
 
Lanny said:
Well, I made you up and I don't recall making up that statement of yours so I officially declare that it never happened. If you believe that, I've got some uranium stock for sale.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
The best systems in the world are in Asia.
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bs....having worked in asia and having my son go through early public school there it's not true dude...their classes are way overcrowded to the point of education becoming memorize, test and forget.... they have teachers just like we do that are passionate about their jobs....difference there is parents hire private tutors and send kids to school after school...instead of to basketball practice or parked in front of a tv....the culture values education over entertainment...nothing to do with robots....the Japanese can be pretty robotic in approach but the Chinese...no frickin' way dude. You also have to test into college with way more competition than kids here do.
 
riverman said:
bs....having worked in asia and having my son go through early public school there it's not true dude...their classes are way overcrowded to the point of education becoming memorize, test and forget.... they have teachers just like we do that are passionate about their jobs....difference there is parents hire private tutors and send kids to school after school...instead of to basketball practice or parked in front of a tv....the culture values education over entertainment...nothing to do with robots....the Japanese can be pretty robotic in approach but the Chinese...no frickin' way dude. You also have to test into college with way more competition than kids here do.
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Look at the stats, yo. Asians will take over in 20 years
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Look at the stats, yo. Asians will take over in 20 years
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it will be because they spend money on education over entertainment....work ethic...this is what is lacking here..we have plenty of creative thinkers and inventors.
 
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