Hey, Trump voters! Insult free, attempt-at-dialog thread

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I really don't care. What's a dialog going to do? Just accept it and deal with it as shit goes down.
I'm tired of fighting. I'm tired of looking at politics as like sports - my team won so suck it! I care about what's happening and I want to understand why people voted for somebody who was such a (struggles to be diplomatic) surprising candidate. I have a bunch of theories, of course, but I actually want to hear it from real people who really voted for him.

When you say "I don't care" - do you mean "I don't care to explain myself to you" or "I don't really care about politics, I don't see my vote as that important"?
 
I voted Gary Johnson.

My sense is that Trump says a lot of things that shouldn't be taken literally.

He uses hyperbole, like "I can shoot someone in the street..." but he's really saying "my supporters are very loyal and willing to overlook a lot of things about me."

A lot of what the press says about him doesn't stand up to muster if you do a little research on your own.

Democrats made Trump possible. Obama could have shot someone in the street and his defenders wouldn't think anything of it. He had virtually no actual government experience. And yes, they do condescend to about half the voters, downright insulting them (think about crooked Hillary's statement about his supporters).
 
You incorrectly assume that Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions or settling the Trump University case really bothers any Trump voters.
Okay, good, that's a start (although don't try to speak for all Trump voters, just speak for yourself).

Let's take Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions actually failed confirmation as a judge when Reagan appointed him - failed in a Republican controlled senate - because of testimony that he was openly racist. So when you say he doesn't bother you, is that because you would call yourself racist or is it because you think racism is overblown, or because you think he's changed, or because you've looked into this case and you think it's been misreported or what?

Or, if you don't want to talk about that, maybe you'd be disappointed if Trump reached out to the moderate Republicans. What do you think of the possibility of Mitt Romney as Sec. of State?
 
Okay, good, that's a start (although don't try to speak for all Trump voters, just speak for yourself).

Let's take Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions actually failed confirmation as a judge when Reagan appointed him - failed in a Republican controlled senate - because of testimony that he was openly racist. So when you say he doesn't bother you, is that because you would call yourself racist or is it because you think racism is overblown, or because you think he's changed, or because you've looked into this case and you think it's been misreported or what?

Or, if you don't want to talk about that, maybe you'd be disappointed if Trump reached out to the moderate Republicans. What do you think of the possibility of Mitt Romney as Sec. of State?

Everyone is racist. Its just how it is. I don't really know much about him and people cry racism so much nowadays, its kind of a boy who cried wolf scenario, kind of like "rape culture".

I think Romney is a smart guy with a better grasp on global affairs than our current President.

 
I can't stand Trump. And I didn't vote for him (nor did I vote Clinton). But I don't think that the majority of people voted for Trump share his viewpoints about gays, minorities, etc., that the (clearly, very biased) mass media would have you believe that Trump feels. He has said he has no problems with gays, he has a black woman running his charities (insert token, "But he has black friends" comment here), etc. I don't think Trump is a bad person. I would like to think Trump isn't a bad person, and his words of hatred or intolerance are not a true representation of him. I have been guilty of racism, sexism, etc. Intended or not intended. I can honestly admit that. Even if it's meant to be humorous, it still is what it is. I'll be the first thing to admit that I've said terrible things, things that I'd be embarrassed or ashamed if the general public heard them. Sometimes we say things in private that are not representative of who we are. Sometimes in the context of humor, sometimes out of frustration, sometimes out of...? It doesn't make it right, but in general, those things are not representative of the way I otherwise carry myself and live my life. I see people spewing all sort of terrible shit about Trump and his supporters on FB. Well, guess what? They're no better than he is, or his supporters. Most of my FB friends are people I've grown up with, and I've heard a helluva lot worse come out of their mouths over my lifetime than anything Trump has ever said. So, I can see how some supporters can brush that aside and say that's not who he is. All of that said..... I guess I'm just saying that I think people believe we'll see who Trump is through his ultimate actions, not necessarily through his words. And I think a lot of people clearly were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not as bad as some of his words would indicate.

If you're willing to overlook that.... then, well, I can see why you'd choose Trump. A lot of people do not like the current economical direction of the country, so they felt the need to see if Trump can shake it up. Very risky, in my opinion. But... if you think things are bad, why stay the current path and vote Hillary? She's been involved in creating the current environment for 30 years. For the people upset that Trump wasn't paying his share of taxes.... well, that's smart business maneuvering. BUT Hillary has been a part of the system that has created the environment that allowed people like Trump to avoid taxes. I can look at the social progress we've made in recent years, and feel comfort in that. I'm sure others do, as well, so maybe the hope of economical growth and improvement was the bigger priority for some people.

It's easy to look at Trump, consider the stupid shit he has said, and say that with support of hate-mongering groups, that Trump clearly is full of hate. Honestly, let's consider this: we have a black president today. We had a woman running against Trump. Most hate groups in the US are white males. So, it didn't matter who was put up by the Republican party, if it was a white male, he was going to get a lot of support from hate groups. I don't completely blame Trump for that (though he could have done more to shut them up, or not have opened his mouth, which encouraged them).

I dunno.... I'm still grasping how/why people would have voted Trump. But then I just look at the other option, and I feel like I was staring at two heaping piles of poop. How do you choose? I wanted Bernie. With Trump as President-elect, I'm putting my faith into believing that Trump will focus on improving the economy and things of that nature, and let the social growth continue as it has before he was elected. I am hoping that his actions speak far more than the words he spoke in the months leading up to election day.
 
Trump is a businessman, and as most businessmen do, they hire people smarter than them to do all the work for them.
Do you think that the President should always be a businessman? Do you think that skill in business translates? Should we try to get the best businessman, for example? Would you have voted for Steve Jobs, say? I know if I thought that way I'd be very curious about his taxes. For example Warren Buffet was kind of scathing about him and had no qualms about revealing his taxes. Also I think I'd care about the whole Trump University thing. So given that you don't, I'm assuming that him being a businessman isn't his main draw for you -is that right?
 
"Yes nobody voted Trump" or "Yes, I voted Trump"?
If the latter, feel like answering my question? Or if you like, tell me why you think it's insulting.

Yes I voted for Trump. I would assume that as a given for answering your orginal questions to Trump supporters.

Copy and past from page one.

So, I'm finding that being on the internet is actually make me anxious these days. So let's attempt to be civil and take each other seriously. (Seriously!)

I'll start with a question: my fear (and a lot of Trump critics' fear) is that the people who voted for Trump really did so out of enthusiasm for a demagogue, and are genuinely happy at the discomfort he causes all and sundry, particularly the "PC crowd" who "call everyone a racist". If this is so, that will mean that he in turn is right when he says that he could shoot someone dead on the street and his supporters wouldn't care (see video below for exact wording). So, Trump voters of this forum, here is my question to you:
is there anything either that he has already done (like Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, settling the Trump University case for $25 mil, whatever) that has turned you off him even a little/given you pause for thought?

>>> No.

If not, is there anything that he COULD do/fail to do that would piss you off?

>>>Yes.

Or are you a Trump fan above being a Republican/loyal American/whatever?

>>> No

Please respond in all seriousness

>>> I cross my heart.


- I promise I will not be snarky (in this thread, at least).

>>> What ever pleases you.


I am genuinely curious.

>>>> Pleased to serve.
 
If you're willing to overlook that....
I guess that's what surprised me - that so many people were willing to overlook things that political pundits ACROSS THE BOARD would have said would torpedo a candidate. Remember Romney's "Binders full of women"? And his "47% are takers"? Seems ridiculously quaint now.

And clearly a lot of hateful people thought that he was speaking for him. I work at a university and we've already seen racist graffiti like you haven't seen in years. Of course, exactly the same thing happened in England after Brexit - is still happening. It's as if people have been thinking that they've had to bite their tongue but now it's THEIR time. Do regular Trump voters feel this, or are they looking at the "Jew-S-A" types and saying "hey, I'm not with THAT guy"?
 
Do you think that the President should always be a businessman? Do you think that skill in business translates? Should we try to get the best businessman, for example? Would you have voted for Steve Jobs, say? I know if I thought that way I'd be very curious about his taxes. For example Warren Buffet was kind of scathing about him and had no qualms about revealing his taxes. Also I think I'd care about the whole Trump University thing. So given that you don't, I'm assuming that him being a businessman isn't his main draw for you -is that right?

People who lost money on Trump University assuming it was a "real" education are fucking idiots. As for if the President should be a businessman, don't see the harm. Private citizens should be able to ascend to the Presidency. Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but what the hell, give it a spin on the wheel and see what happens. I kind of agree with many of his points so why not.

The main draw for me is that he isn't hillary, who I just see as totally fucking incompetent.
 
...(nor did I vote Clinton).
I wanted Bernie.

(Off topic) You wanted Bernie, but you didn't vote for the candidate he went on to campaign for. Do you feel betrayed by him that he campaigned for Clinton? Do you think he was disingenuous in his support? He didn't have to, after all - I think he's already left the Democratic party again.
 
I guess that's what surprised me - that so many people were willing to overlook things that political pundits ACROSS THE BOARD would have said would torpedo a candidate. Remember Romney's "Binders full of women"? And his "47% are takers"? Seems ridiculously quaint now.

And clearly a lot of hateful people thought that he was speaking for him. I work at a university and we've already seen racist graffiti like you haven't seen in years. Of course, exactly the same thing happened in England after Brexit - is still happening. It's as if people have been thinking that they've had to bite their tongue but now it's THEIR time. Do regular Trump voters feel this, or are they looking at the "Jew-S-A" types and saying "hey, I'm not with THAT guy"?

That's just it, regarding his words. People overlooked his words because most of us have said worse, and have friends/family/colleagues that have said worse, and knew that deep-down, they didn't mean it, or at least don't live their lives representative of those words. Makes it easier for some to overlook Trump's words. I'm sure you've said things that would offend most on this board. I know I have, but they don't represent who I really am.

Can't say for certain how Trump voters feel. I only know a few, and they voted for him, one, because they feel like Clinton is corrupt and a liar. And two, because they're pissed at how the DNC screwed over Bernie. (Ironically, I've seen several people say that voting Trump over Hillary wasn't the answer, yet are supporting the protests and the First Amendment. To me, maybe the consequences will suck, but that is a much more meaningful protest or statement than walking around blocking traffic).
 
People who lost money on Trump University assuming it was a "real" education are fucking idiots.

So you think that Trump University was kind of a con game? Does this make you admire Trump as a clever businessman, ready to exploit suckers (so it's a plus) or as a slightly worrying character feature that you're ready to overlook (negative, but not enough to lose your vote)?

As for if the President should be a businessman, don't see the harm.

Okay, so it's not a positive? You wouldn't say "I won't vote for X because s/he wasn't a businessman" it's just "meh"?

Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but what the hell, give it a spin on the wheel and see what happens. I kind of agree with many of his points so why not.

Who would you have preferred?

The main draw for me is that he isn't hillary, who I just see as totally fucking incompetent.

Incompetent at what? Is this about the emails?
 
Do you feel betrayed by him that he campaigned for Clinton?
Good question...I think he blew it by not accepting Jill Stein's offer to give him the green party platform after the Clinton scandal broke and she took the Democratic option off the table for him.
 
(Off topic) You wanted Bernie, but you didn't vote for the candidate he went on to campaign for. Do you feel betrayed by him that he campaigned for Clinton? Do you think he was disingenuous in his support? He didn't have to, after all - I think he's already left the Democratic party again.

The best way for make Sanders' to make his voice heard would be through Hillary. I think he knows he was fucked over. But he supported her for the greater good. For that, I believe he was as genuine as he could be given the circumstances, but I don't believe his heart was fully in it (mine wouldn't have been). I think he knows that the DNC shot itself in the foot and he did what he had to to assist the DNC, which would have likely meant some sort of important opportunity and role for him. That would have been better than whatever likely awaits him now.

Sanders was a democratic candidate, but his platform was very different from Hillary's, ultimately. Just because I would have voted Sanders doesn't mean that Hillary gets my vote.
 
To be quite honest the best part and only part i like about trump winning is my dick is dry, and liberal tears are great lube. he'll probably completely fuck this country. but some people just want to watch the world burn. that's me.
 
Good question...I think he blew it by not accepting Jill Stein's offer to give him the green party platform after the Clinton scandal broke and she took the Democratic option off the table for him.
I imagine he didn't because he genuinely didn't want Trump to win - don't you? That would have obviously split the anti-Trump vote. (Of course Stein ended up doing that anyway - probably.)
 
To be quite honest the best part and only part i like about trump winning is my dick is dry, and liberal tears are great lube. he'll probably completely fuck this country. but some people just want to watch the world burn. that's me.
Ooooh. Edgy! Ze Führer could have used a few more good men like you.
 
I imagine he didn't because he genuinely didn't want Trump to win - don't you? That would have obviously split the anti-Trump vote. (Of course Stein ended up doing that anyway - probably.)
yes, and that's what he said....he never returned her call....what I think is interesting is the possibility of a new party base with four years to prepare for the next chapter in DC
 
So you think that Trump University was kind of a con game? Does this make you admire Trump as a clever businessman, ready to exploit suckers (so it's a plus) or as a slightly worrying character feature that you're ready to overlook (negative, but not enough to lose your vote)?

Okay, so it's not a positive? You wouldn't say "I won't vote for X because s/he wasn't a businessman" it's just "meh"?
Who would you have preferred?
Incompetent at what? Is this about the emails?

I see Trump University in the same light as Tony Robbins Courses or Rich Dad, Poor Dad or Evangelical Ministers like Joel Osteen. Just a bunch of people looking for easy answers by throwing money at a problem. I mean they tell you how to flip properties, probably. People assume by paying for that shit they will qualify or have the money to do so.

I don't know who I would have preferred. Probably someone at least intelligent. I think Trump will end up like how Berlusconi did in Italy.

I think Hillary is a warmonger. She fucked up in Benghazi. She fucked up with Isis. I just think she would have fucked up with Syria too. She's in Wall Street's pocket too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-is-the-candidate_b_9168938.html
 
Oh shit, I know what's coming next.

I apologize for calling @blue32 a special snowflake.

Thank you for your tears, I appreciate them. And no you did not offend me, you assume far to much in your moderator chair. troll on!

I really don't care. What's a dialog going to do? Just accept it and deal with it as shit goes down.

This.
 
There is no point in dialogue because the leftish do not have tolerance for any viewpoint other than their own, that is proven time and time again and is self evident from the riots, twitter, etc.

Just accept the defeat and lets judge the President when he takes office and starts doing stuff.
 
for 400k a year, no sleep, stress....the job doesn't pay enough to attract talent anymore...some presidents get that much a month.

Well, if you get someone too intelligent, they'll leverage the power in very bad ways. So its good to get someone kind of full of themselves.
 

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