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We're all stuck in this lifeboat together....now we just wait until the food runs low and find out who's the cannibal
 
blue32 said:
I feel his initial stance on banning all Muslims into the country was at first campaign suicide because of the politically correct society that we live in today.
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What this sounds like is that you didn't disapprove of the statement, you just thought it might hurt him (because of the "politically correct"). Would you be okay if, now it obviously wasn't campaign suicide (well, at least in areas of the country where there are practically no Muslims, which seems to be where he was most popular), he actually carried out that policy? Or do you see something wrong with screening people by their religion?

blue32 said:
I would have rather he done something like he did towards the end where he pruned it down to banning/vetting them from terrorist areas.
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I missed this pivot. When you say "terrorist areas" do you mean Syria and Libya or do you include France, given the terrorist attacks they've had there? Also, it's pretty hard to narrow it down, isn't it? After all, Canada is letting in a lot of Syrians - couldn't they just come through Canada? If you really believe Isis is such a threat that a "shutdown" is necessary, doesn't his original policy make the most sense?

blue32 said:
Also, I believe that his comments on Mexican illegal immigrants (where most people saw racism) could have been more eloquently worded.
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But then, in all seriousness, he wouldn't be Donald Trump! He doesn't do "eloquent" - and isn't that his appeal?

Or do you mean "less easy to interpret as racist"?

Would you like him to speak directly to the KKK and say "hey - you misunderstood me as much as those PC guys - I'm not your friend"? Or are you happy with him keeping quiet and accepting their support because, hey, it's votes?

blue32 said:
We all knew he was referring to (context of the entire talk) Mexican illegal immigrants when he was making the "not sending the best" claims, but most MSM outlets decided to say he was racist.
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Who's the "we" here? Again - see the KKK and the various White Nationalist movements. They really seem to be taking him literally. Are they just getting their news from the MSM?

blue32 said:
All in all, aside from those two small campaign "fuck-ups" (if you will), he ran a pretty damn good campaign sticking to policies that I agree with.
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What are the major policies for you? Will you be mad if he doesn't build a wall, or was that just a metaphor for beefed up border security?
 
I was reading yesterday that immigration at the border has about half a million extradition cases pending....won't clear the courts until long after the next four years...they are over filled as it is and had to release a lot of Haitians to clear the border just days ago after security checks...I'm curious to see how the new administration plans to speed up the whole mess..we don't have facilities on the border to accomadate the traffic as it is...wouldn't that be more of a priority than a wall?
 
Elephant Lives Matter just followed me on twitter.
 
riverman said:
I was reading yesterday that immigration at the border has about half a million extradition cases pending....won't clear the courts until long after the next four years...they are over filled as it is and had to release a lot of Haitians to clear the border just days ago after security checks...I'm curious to see how the new administration plans to speed up the whole mess..we don't have facilities on the border to accomadate the traffic as it is...wouldn't that be more of a priority than a wall?
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See. This is why the Germans were so much better at fascism than we can ever hope to be. The efficiency!
 
Wait, you asking why I think Trump won?

Okay, let's start with who was opposing him. It was the left, media and D.C. Establishment. Why is that? Before anyone tries to throw the isms and ists out, remember that no one, except for Rosie, was complaining before he ran for president. Also, Reggie Jackson named him "man of the year" on his efforts for raising money and helping with the Black Association to Rebuild Harlem.

So in a nut shell, he won on the backs of Americanism (only ism trump is guilty of). The Elites, even the right, completely ignored arguably the largest electorate that was desperately effected by the last 16 years of the globalist agenda. A good portion of them voted for Obama twice, which gives you an idea the electorate yearned for change.

This same electorate represents a large voting block. This voting block represents the majority in the rust belt states, which is why he won Pennsylvania, Milwaukee, Ohio and Michigan. It's also the reason why he almost won Virginia and Minnesota too.

The bottom line is jobs and economy. Hillary was using "I will keep Obama's legacy going" and also represented the status quo. Trump represented the change maker that has created tens of thousands of jobs as a private businessman.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okay, good, that's a start (although don't try to speak for all Trump voters, just speak for yourself).

Let's take Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions actually failed confirmation as a judge when Reagan appointed him - failed in a Republican controlled senate - because of testimony that he was openly racist. So when you say he doesn't bother you, is that because you would call yourself racist or is it because you think racism is overblown, or because you think he's changed, or because you've looked into this case and you think it's been misreported or what?

Or, if you don't want to talk about that, maybe you'd be disappointed if Trump reached out to the moderate Republicans. What do you think of the possibility of Mitt Romney as Sec. of State?
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Jeff Sessions also prosecuted many KKK members and actually fought and won against one to give him the death penalty as DA. He was also very pivotal is desegregating schools as well.

I tend to judge a person on their actions, not words.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you think that the President should always be a businessman? Do you think that skill in business translates? Should we try to get the best businessman, for example? Would you have voted for Steve Jobs, say? I know if I thought that way I'd be very curious about his taxes. For example Warren Buffet was kind of scathing about him and had no qualms about revealing his taxes. Also I think I'd care about the whole Trump University thing. So given that you don't, I'm assuming that him being a businessman isn't his main draw for you -is that right?
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Not really. There have been many businessmen that tried running for POTUS. Steve Forbes was considered a very successful businessman and failed in the primaries. He didn't have the pulse of the common people.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Types of trump voters:

"haha stupid poor people are going lose their welfare, it makes me happy when stupid poor people are sad."

"my factory got sent overseas and this guy is saying that he will bring it back."

"BLM is as bad as isis!"

"Hillary was going to take my guns away."

"God hates fags."

"Hillary for prison, Benghazi."

"I don't have a retirement account and I'm old, this sucks."

"He will repeal Obamacare, I was paying a lot for it, I'm sure I will be able to afford insurance now."

"There's a war on Christmas."

"They took our jerbs!"

"He's going to lower my taxes."

"Muslims are evil. We should kill terrorists families."

Did I miss any?
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Spot on by the progressive liberal perspective. I would recommend you and whomever else reads this to demand their congressman to push this narrative. It will broaden the democratic tent.
 
magnifier661 said:
Spot on by the progressive liberal perspective. I would recommend you and whomever else reads this to demand their congressman to push this narrative. It will broaden the democratic tent.
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did i miss any? i wasnt trying to be rude.

id say most of his voters came from the "I don't have a retirement account and I'm old, this sucks."/ "my factory got sent overseas and this guy is saying that he will bring it back."/ "He's going to lower my taxes."/ "He will repeal Obamacare, I was paying a lot for it, I'm sure I will be able to afford insurance now." camps, but theres no denying the other camps voted for him as well.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
did i miss any? i wasnt trying to be rude.

id say most of his voters came from the "I don't have a retirement account and I'm old, this sucks."/ "my factory got sent overseas and this guy is saying that he will bring it back."/ "He's going to lower my taxes." camps, but theres no denying the other camps voted for him as well.
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No, you got all the generalizations of Trump supporters published by Occupy and other various liberal rags correct.

Newsflash. Trump won a higher % of blacks, Latinos and other than white group than McCain or Romeny. Fact two. Trump beat Hillary on white college educated women. Fact 3: Trump flipped over 50 counties that Obama won.

So as I said... just keep on keeping on with this straw man and hyperbole of labeling isms and ists. It's been working well for the democratic tent.
 
magnifier661 said:
Newsflash. Trump won a higher % of blacks, Latinos and other than white group than McCain or Romeny. Fact two. Trump beat Hillary on white college educated women. Fact 3: Trump flipped over 50 counties that Obama won.
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ooh i forgot one, "abortion is murder"

i didnt vote for hillary, she can fuck off. im glad she didnt win.

but newsflash. blacks and latinos can be concerned about insurance/ jobs/ taxes/ retirement/ gays/ abortion/ isis/ christmas/ guns/ etc., so that strawman doesnt jive with me.

nowhere did i say that white people had a monopoly on trumps platform, it was you who implied that.
 
so seriously, did i miss any? i want your actual opinion, not defensive rhetoric.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
ooh i forgot one, "abortion is murder"

i didnt vote for hillary, she can fuck off. im glad she didnt win.

but newsflash. blacks and latinos can be concerned about insurance/ jobs/ taxes/ retirement/ gays/ abortion/ isis/ christmas/ guns/ etc., so that strawman doesnt jive with me.

nowhere did i say that white people had a monopoly on trumps platform, it was you who implied that.
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I brought up the minority support because most of what you quoted was the typical stereotypes of Trump supporters being white. I've heard them all before on twitter and reading the liberal rags.

That was a misconception of the majority of Trump's electorate. They were too afraid to outwardly show their support and made their statement at the ballot box. The most powerful form of protest.

The only quote you need to put is "Americanism, not globalism will be our credo." The rest are pockets of outspoken Trump supporters. The media blasted them to build their fragile strawman against Trump. It obviously didn't work.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
so seriously, did i miss any? i want your actual opinion, not defensive rhetoric.
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There is nothing to be defensive of. Trump won because of these stereotypes. I welcome it. I encourage it! This will guarantee Trump win his second term.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Types of trump voters:

"haha stupid poor people are going lose their welfare, it makes me happy when stupid poor people are sad."

"my factory got sent overseas and this guy is saying that he will bring it back."

"BLM is as bad as isis!"

"Hillary was going to take my guns away."

"God hates fags."

"Hillary for prison, Benghazi."

"I don't have a retirement account and I'm old, this sucks."

"He will repeal Obamacare, I was paying a lot for it, I'm sure I will be able to afford insurance now."

"There's a war on Christmas."

"They took our jerbs!"

"He's going to lower my taxes."

"Muslims are evil. We should kill terrorists families."

Did I miss any?
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Drain the swamp

Make america great again
 
How about these Trump voters?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksar...es-than-mitt-romney-did-in-2012/#756997243b8b
Man Bites Dog: Trump Did Better With Minorities In 2016 Than Mitt Romney Did In 2012

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Re Muslims:

Forgive my laziness - I'm using a clip from the Daily Show, which is (obviously) very anti-Trump. But it does collect a lot of things that he said about Muslims, and a report from Fox News (traitoress Megyn Kelley, but still) about how Trump plans a Muslim registry. Are you okay with this, Trump voters? I genuinely want to know.

 
The alt right appeal is overrated. There just aren't enough of those people to make any noticeable difference in an election. Maybe ten thousand or less in total.

Another category of Trump voter:

Flyover country treated as flyover country (e.g. irrelevant) by the Democrats over a long time.
 
Denny Crane said:
The alt right appeal is overrated. There just aren't enough of those people to make any noticeable difference in an election. Maybe ten thousand or less in total.

Another category of Trump voter:

Flyover country treated as flyover country (e.g. irrelevant) by the Democrats over a long time.
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10k or less alt right voters? Wtf lol. Brietbart/ rush/ etc beg to differ.

Flyover country IS irrelevant to the DNC, just like NY and CA is irrelevant to the GOP.
 
Denny Crane said:
The alt right appeal is overrated. There just aren't enough of those people to make any noticeable difference in an election. Maybe ten thousand or less in total.

Another category of Trump voter:

Flyover country treated as flyover country (e.g. irrelevant) by the Democrats over a long time.
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First of all, this is part of the "us against the elites" bullshit. It also implies that there are no Democrats in "flyover country". Who do you think is in the unions? Which, incidentally, have been targeted by legislation is at least two of the states that went to Trump: Wisconsin and Michigan.

Also: the real divide is urban vs. rural. Salt Lake City has a Democratic mayor, ferchrissakes. Austin is one of the hipsterest cities in America. It's interesting that the rural voters seem to be the ones most opposed to Muslims and immigrants, when the only ones of either that they see are the farmworkers they happily underpay. Whereas the big cities teaming with diversity, and the ACTUAL SUBJECT OF TERRORIST ATTACKS are not hiding under their beds and demanding draconian measures. Never has rural America "loved" NY so much as in 9/11, and yet it seems to think it has a better idea of what's good for NYC than the citizens of NYC.
 
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If you don't like the republican establishment, then why not favor the candidate that establishment doesn't like and said candidate runs against that establishment?

The media bias was incredible and the reporting was of dubious quality and ethics. For example:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
-- Trump July 5, 2015

Is he not talking about the people Mexico is sending and not particularly all illegal immigrants. If you remember current events from years ago, this is the kind of thing Castro did. He emptied the insane asylums in Cuba and sent those people to Florida.

He is specifically accusing the Mexican government of sending their undesirables here.

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”
-- Trump July 6, 2015
 
3RA1N1AC said:
10k or less alt right voters? Wtf lol. Brietbart/ rush/ etc beg to differ.

Flyover country IS irrelevant to the DNC, just like NY and CA is irrelevant to the GOP.
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It's easy enough to get a reasonable estimate. Go look at the membership of the alt right forums at 4chan and stormfront.
 
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