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hoopsjock said:
If he is does it really matter? Not everyone is going to get minutes and he can be a throw in on a trade like Stauskas was last year.
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yeah...probably doesn't matter much. I can see the 'theoretical' Hezonja that Olshey is taking a flier on, and if Hezonja hit close to those marks he'd be a big help. I think the odds are against that happening though

speaking of trades and vet minimum deals, I have a couple of CBA questions. As I understand it, Tolliver and Gasol are both making around 2.56M this year; but their cap-charge is 1.62M. If either are traded, is the salary credit in the trade calculation the 2.51M or the 1.62M?
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah...probably doesn't matter much. I can see the 'theoretical' Hezonja that Olshey is taking a flier on, and if Hezonja hit close to those marks he'd be a big help. I think the odds are against that happening though

speaking of trades and vet minimum deals, I have a couple of CBA questions. As I understand it, Tolliver and Gasol are both making around 2.56M this year; but their cap-charge is 1.62M. If either are traded, is the salary credit in the trade calculation the 2.51M or the 1.62M?
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If I recall correctly a minimum salary can count as whatever a team wants it to count as for the trade to work.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah...probably doesn't matter much. I can see the 'theoretical' Hezonja that Olshey is taking a flier on, and if Hezonja hit close to those marks he'd be a big help. I think the odds are against that happening though

speaking of trades and vet minimum deals, I have a couple of CBA questions. As I understand it, Tolliver and Gasol are both making around 2.56M this year; but their cap-charge is 1.62M. If either are traded, is the salary credit in the trade calculation the 2.51M or the 1.62M?
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It is one of those two. You’re welcome.
 
Think Hezonja is the 10th man right now.

In and out the rotation.

Tolliver plays more imo and I'd probably have Skal ahead of him too if Gasol isn't healthy.
 
JDC said:
Think Hezonja is the 10th man right now.

In and out the rotation.

Tolliver plays more imo and I'd probably have Skal ahead of him too if Gasol isn't healthy.
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I think similarly, Hezonja will get opportunities, I see him being used (minutes wise) like Layman was last year.
 
I don’t see Tolliver playing over Hezonja, or at least I think Hezonja gets first crack at playing time. When Tolliver was signed pretty much every quote was about his influence in the locker room. Maybe he gets spot minutes here and there but his impact will mostly be off the court. If Hezonja and Skal bust..now that’s another story.
 
kjironman1 said:
You get Pat Con out of him he's a steal at 2 Million.
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Me I think he going to be use as point forward to relieve Simons as the main ball handler. I see him in Turner's role with this team.
 
James lamphear said:
Me I think he going to be use as point forward to relieve Simons as the main ball handler. I see him in Turner's role with this team.
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Definitely closer to ET than Jake. "Potentially" Mario gives us something we don't have but that Neil thinks we need......a pt forward. Can he be a better version of ET? He is a little bigger, a little longer, a little more athletic, and a better outside shooter.

Maybe he will suck like a few seem to predict, but it sure would be nice to have a combo forward on the team that can
dribble, pass. and shoot when open. I see him as a stretch 4 against some teams and a bigger SF against others. I am not saying he will be a star, just hoping for a better version of Victor Claver.

These closing lineups intrigue me:

Dame, CJ, Hood, Mario and Zach
Dame, CJ, Mario, Zach and Nurk (Hopeful for this one by next year)
Dame, CJ, Hood, Zach and Nurk
Dame, CJ, Hood, Mario and Nurk
 
SIeepwalker said:
Translation: "If we were going to use it like Layman why didn't we just keep Layman instead"
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Probably because he brings a different skill set than Layman as Mario can create for others where as Layman didn't have that skill set.
 
Here’s the thing, you’re not signing guarantees for the minimum. They all have question marks. When I look at low risk moves like this, I always look for the good in the player and see how that can help the team. Doing a microanalysis on a player like Hezonja would be a huge waste of time, because if he doesn’t play well he’ll be on the bench, on another team, or out of the league.

That being said, the good in Hezonja suggests he will be more of a Turner replacement. The only difference being you might see him more at the four. But offensively, the ball will be in his hands. I agree with @James lamphear that he will be used to help take the pressure off Simons.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Can he be a better version of ET? He is a little bigger, a little longer, a little more athletic, and a better outside shooter.
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yeah, statistically he's a better outside shooter if you're basing it on three's. Hezonja at .321 vs Turner at .296. However, if you're also considering 16-23 feet as outside shooting it gets closer as Turner has been better, .397 vs .382

I think they are the same...that being if they are shooting from the outside you're cringing as a Blazer fan. It's like Aminu leading a fast break. As a Blazer fan, enduring any of it is like chewing on tin-foil while shaving your head with a cheese grater
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, statistically he's a better outside shooter if you're basing it on three's. Hezonja at .321 vs Turner at .296. However, if you're also considering 16-23 feet as outside shooting it gets closer as Turner has been better, .397 vs .382

I think they are the same...that being if they are shooting from the outside you're cringing as a Blazer fan. It's like Aminu leading a fast break. As a Blazer fan, enduring any of it is like chewing on tin-foil while shaving your head with a cheese grater
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Interesting comparison. How many times have you tried this? :bgrin:
 
wizenheimer said:
I think they are the same...that being if they are shooting from the outside you're cringing as a Blazer fan. It's like Aminu leading a fast break. As a Blazer fan, enduring any of it is like chewing on tin-foil while shaving your head with a cheese grater
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I really doubt that I will cringe when Mario takes a wide open outside shot the way I did with ET, and I really doubt I will cringe when Mario leads a fast break like I did every time with Aminu. We are talking about a whole different level of frustration.
 
I think Hezonja is one of the most motivated players on the team this summer to improve and make a big impact. Wether it happens or not we shall see, but it sure looks like he is taking this seriously and will do as much as he can.
 
tlongII said:
I don't think Hezonja will play much.
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In my mind it depends on who Terry wants playing alongside Simons in the back court. Will it always be Dame or CJ? If so you may be right.

Personally I would like to see a Dame, CJ, Bazemore, Zach and Whitehead starting group.......and a bench that consists of
Simons, Hood, Mario, Gasol, and Skal. (Maybe Toliver alternates with Skal)

I admit that Herzonia looks a bit "robotic" with his play. But I think he could be a good complimentary player off the bench, and possibly even as an occasional closer in games when he is hot. Terry can always use a 81% free throw shooter at forward who can handle the ball. (Along with Dame, CJ and Hood)
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, statistically he's a better outside shooter if you're basing it on three's. Hezonja at .321 vs Turner at .296. However, if you're also considering 16-23 feet as outside shooting it gets closer as Turner has been better, .397 vs .382

I think they are the same...that being if they are shooting from the outside you're cringing as a Blazer fan. It's like Aminu leading a fast break. As a Blazer fan, enduring any of it is like chewing on tin-foil while shaving your head with a cheese grater
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stats get really skewed for Hezonja since his early seasons he played for about half a dozen different coaches on a couple of tanking teams....Tolliver is what he is...a solid vet Mario was introduced to the NBA on some really dysfunctional teams. He's pretty much what we got when we picked up Mo from Orlando....a guy who needs some burn and a good lockerroom
 
riverman said:
stats get really skewed for Hezonja since his early seasons he played for about half a dozen different coaches on a couple of tanking teams....Tolliver is what he is...a solid vet Mario was introduced to the NBA on some really dysfunctional teams. He's pretty much what we got when we picked up Mo from Orlando....a guy who needs some burn and a good lockerroom
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I think it's pretty funny how so many in this forum want to write him off before he even plays for us. I'm not sure what to expect but I am willing to observe before I pass judgement. Olshey seems to do a pretty good job of finding players that need an opportunity and with so many new players on the roster I have no doubt Stotts will take a serious look. Some people need to be more patient.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Whiteside, Collins, Ant, Mario, Skal:
We don't need all of them to "Pop", but if 2 of them do, we'll be pretty good. If 3 of them do, we'll be VERY good.
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The key is Zach. I need him to become an Al Horford type on defense and a decent spacer on offense, and we're good. Hassan should be better than Kanter was on both ends. Rest of the guys are all icing.

Listening to the Lowe Post last night with Simmons, both of em vehemently disagreed with the notion that Portland should just be penciled in as a good team in the west. They even suggested that we could fall out of the playoffs because Whiteside sucks apparently, Nurk is out indefinitely, and our roster got worse.

Jesus, when will they learn?
 
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